Did Juubito use Bansho Tenin?
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Copied and pasted it from my earlier thread:
I'm pretty sure he used bansho tenin here (one of the abilities of Deva Path), to attract Naruto and Sasuke.
Noticed that Juubito has activated his Rinnegan in the upper left corner of this pannel, then suddenly he's grabbing Sasuke and Naruto.
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Do you agree, or do you think it was pure speed? Then what was the point of the Rinnegan eye being shown here?
Edit: Notice the aura/lines projecting out of Juubito's rinnegan eye (which indicates it is being activated). Here is a zoomed in version:
I'm pretty sure he used bansho tenin here (one of the abilities of Deva Path), to attract Naruto and Sasuke.
Noticed that Juubito has activated his Rinnegan in the upper left corner of this pannel, then suddenly he's grabbing Sasuke and Naruto.
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Do you agree, or do you think it was pure speed? Then what was the point of the Rinnegan eye being shown here?
Edit: Notice the aura/lines projecting out of Juubito's rinnegan eye (which indicates it is being activated). Here is a zoomed in version:
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At the same time, you forget that every time Bansho is used, the victim shudders, then get's pulled in. Also, the marks on the eye could be use to show movement. Also, look at the second to last panel, and look at Juubito's lower half. It is covered almost entirely by movement marks.
-Not if Juubito's bansho tennin is so fast, it pulls almost instantenously.
-Maybe, but why would kishi show his rinnegan eye, not his sharingan if it doesnt serve a purpose?
-The movement mark could mean that the target (naruto and sasuke) is moving towards Juubito, since juubito body is still burried underground, and he is lower than naruto and sasuke, the angle is different.
That's because we already know that Pain always uses rinnegan techs. As for Obito this distinction is needed since he has other eye tech (sharingan).
correct me if i'm wrong but didn't obito had 1 sharingan and 1 rinnegan and if i'm not mistaking anything the rinnegan is permanent since it's madara's eye which he took wrong nagato then implanted in himself and if you implant a eye it will not go away like it could with their original host for example take itachi's sharingan he can both have sharingan acctivated as well as non-active which kakashi can not because he doesn't have his own sharingan.
lol please correct me if i'm wrong (again -_-'') but it looks to me like juubito just saw an opening and just facepalmed them for talking too much
I know its always active but I'm talking about the aura like lines that is projecting out of the rinnegan, which means that the eye is using chakra to perform a rinnegan jutsu. No such lines is projected out of naruto and sasuke's eyes.
Also why would kishi show Obito's rinnegan eye in the first place, not his sharingan if it doesnt serve a purpose
I don't think so, because even with madara, it just shows that he has rinne activated, and still doesn't have the aura. Also, activation would have been depicted in the same way that naruto and sasuke's surprise eyes were, just more distinctly coming from the eye. These marks have more depth.
I believe this could be Banshou Ten'in. If Kishimoto's intention was to show Juubito's movement, then he would draw radial lines from the entire body and not just from Juubito Rinnegan's Pupil (clearly a vortex, sign of activation FROM THE EYE).
Compare Juubito's radial lines from "movement":
With Juubito's radial lines from "Rinnegan activation":
Now tell me... where are the radial lines focusing?
Panel 2 - Obito's Rinnegan
Panel 3 - Naruto's Kitsune Eye
Panel 4 - Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan
I hope this clears everything.
Compare Juubito's radial lines from "movement":
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With Juubito's radial lines from "Rinnegan activation":
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Now tell me... where are the radial lines focusing?
Panel 2 - Obito's Rinnegan
Panel 3 - Naruto's Kitsune Eye
Panel 4 - Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan
I hope this clears everything.
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But rinnegan is never seen as activating when it is used, that's what I don't get. Also, every time bansho is used, there is a visible shudder before the target is drawn in. Every time. And, why would kishi completely skip the part of them being drawn in? That's not something kishi would doI believe this could be Banshou Ten'in. If Kishimoto's intention was to show Juubito's movement, then he would draw radial lines from the entire body and not just from Juubito Rinnegan's Pupil (clearly a vortex, sign of activation FROM THE EYE).
Compare Juubito's radial lines from "movement":
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With Juubito's radial lines from "Rinnegan activation":
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Now tell me... where are the radial lines focusing?
Panel 2 - Obito's Rinnegan
Panel 3 - Naruto's Kitsune Eye
Panel 4 - Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan
Well, my argument is based on the origin of the radial lines. This is basic manga knowledge.
Your argument is kinda blank in the other hand, because
"That's not something Kishi would do" => This sir, is called surprise factor.
PS: To be fair, I said "this could be Banshou Ten'in". I'm not putting it as a statement, but as a possibility. Maybe Juubito moved.
This is not something kishi would do because he pays attention to detail and this is an inconsistency. I'm not just saying "Kishi wouldn't do that" because kishi just isn't known for his inconsistent depictions. Facts, yes. Depictions, no
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Agreed. Going to elaborate a little bit more below.
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This is in regards to the Rinnegan never seen as being "activated" when used. They do look different, but Kishi makes it a point to show the Rinnegan.
Also, your argument crumbles on itself because you are saying why would Kishi completely skip the part of showingthem being drawn in and that it's not something Kishi would do. Before I get to why it doesn't make any sense I just want to note:
1 - There is nothing Kishi would or wouldn't do.
2 - Kishi might not be showing it because this isn't Nagato/Pain. This is the freaking second coming of the So6P and he is just that fast.
3 - Why would Kishi then WASTE valuable space on a page showing something we already know Obito has with the Rinnegan?
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I understand what you mean by the visible shudder but once again look at the last couple of pages of this chapter. Sasuke saves Naruto and correct me if I am wrong but it looks as though he is trying/goes/does grab him with Sussano's arm (page 18) and as IT IS DRAWN IN RIGHT UNDERNEATH Obito's Rinnegan, Sasuke and Naruto have this look on their faces' as if they don't know what's going on/in awe/something is happening to them.....and then finally their EYES are covered up and Obito has his hand directly over Sasuke's eyes and most of Naruto's face.
Am I saying it is 100% bansho tennin? No. I am just pointing out that your argument has a good amount of holes in it. Also, I am putting more emphasis on what is drawn/shown in the manga because that is really where your argument is/rests. Sooo:
1: Kishi has shown the Rinnegan being used while it is activating.
2: Naruto and Sasuke are already close to that part of Obito's body...why would Kishi have the last page of this recent chapter depicted like that? In the chapter before, we don't see Tobirama or Hashi making those faces that Naruto and Sasuke make, so clearly something is different.
3: And finally, why else would Kishi SHOW US Naruto and Sasuke - 2 of the fastest/quickest Shinobi's - making those faces and then directly after getting grabbed by Obito. What else is going to have that last page happen exactly the way it is drawn and played out other then Obito using bansho tennin to break through Sasuke's Susanno to grab him and Naruto while they are moving towards him?
Pretty sure it was just jubito blitzing them, If they were drawn in, they would be leaning forward and not backwards. He's face palming them so he can kill them the same way he owned the 3rd with that black matter.
on the pic about bansho tenin idea, it actually more shows that obito emerged from the ground or going so fast he's destroying everything with his own movements that they were not ready. (see the ground ripped apart and half of his body only ?) Naruto and Sasuke getting blittzed as is its common term, is possible - but just getting surprised through ground attack like with Naruto's frog summon seems like a possibility to me.
?) Naruto and Sasuke getting blittzed as is its common term, is possible - but just getting surprised through ground attack like with Naruto's frog summon seems like a possibility to me.