Did Hinata surpass part 1 Neji in the manga?

[HyuugaHeir]

It's really funny I keep seeing that, when Pein blocked her Twin Lion Fists and she managed to absorb zero chakra at contact. More fanfictions, I see.

SLR.
Fanfic or not. Well if Lion Fists are siad to absorb chakra, isnt Kaiten subjected into being absorbed???

well, then again, it is all about battle feats.
I agree that Neji is still better at Hinata anytime.
But really, why pit the cousins against each other?

there is no conflict, and one has already left the world.
Neji's growth stopped. Hinata is still growing.

Common sense tells you that Hinata can reach the point where she surpasses Neji.
But does it really matter?

Nah, something to talk about I guess.

 

[Shruikan]

How am I bashing you exactly when I'm more generalizing with the topic which you failed to exemplify. I didn't started it until my second response which You started. You werent trolling, or else why would you still argue with me claiming she got no feat with this gif promoting as a fact. And anyone with a decent mind know full well choosing this gif can't outsmart people because that makes a bad troll, knowing you, if you would be trolling, you would've chosen better scan.

That gif was just to reinforce that in the movie she only fights puppets whom she still has slight troubles with and if you want proof read the movie summary.
And when a thread is made on Part 2 Hinata vs Part 1 Neji you should realise that the purpose of this thread isnt a serious debate but trolling
I also suck at trolling and have a lousy sense of humor so probably you may not have found the gif funny as I did.And as far as scans go,alas,she never got a decent fight in the manga and based on what we have every time she either needed help or got herself nearly killed so even if I were to troll regarding her battle skills therse arent that many panels to do so

On topic,if she equals Part 2 Neji that would imply that she developed her skills faster than Neji progressed with his own which I highly doubt considering he was probably the one who trained her in Part 2 and also because he is a genius.I would place Hinata somewhere between Part 1 and Part 2 Neji

Don't play a victim card, your futile attempt to reverse the situation and put on me where I have treated you no such. I guess Hinata fans have messed you up badly from the sound of it.

What victim card?Listen I simply posted the gif for fun and a manga fact and would have stayed away from this thread until you took it seriously and replied to it.Hinata not having feats was a serious fact I posted.The gif was for fun since I hate her.Simple

How do you know she got punched, are you try to tell me that you've seen the movie??? And how does she have no battle feat when you said she solo puppets??? But if all she does is indeed fighting puppets without even fighting formidable opponent, then I guess its lame.

I read the summary of the entire movie and even watched around 60% of it through camrips and in that scene she is fighting a horde of puppets many of whom she destroys easily but this one punches her but she kills it too

And soloing the puppets is not even a feat as Sakura ALSO does it in the movie and in a much more brutal manner without getting punched either

Cool you can bash Hinata for all I care, but this gif that you're trying to claim, I just don't see how hinata get punched... and I never used ignore list.

I will try to pull up the relevant cam rip of that scene if I can find it now

No, no were trying to state it as a fact and you even stated just now with your quotes.



"Hinata has no battle feats in the movie or in the manga.All she does is solo fodder puppets".Then I posted a gif of her getting hit by that puppet and later she kills it

Yes but if you will observe inspite of saying she soloed the puppets I captured only the small moment where she got punched.It was for fun because I even later admit that she killed that puppet but getting hit by it in the first place is embarassing,whether injury done or not

I'm talking about the gif in particular, that's why I'm arguing you....

That gif is meant to be taken in tandem with the fact that so far she has no feats and is an embarassement in battle

Are you talking about the opening in particular?

No the cam rip scene

 

[Made in Heaven]

I wonder when Radon plans on shutting up about Hinata not having any feats when that's not even true .

 

[Shruikan]

I wonder when Radon plans on shutting up about Hinata not having any feats when that's not even true .

Okay then show me the battle feats.I will stop

 

[Made in Heaven]

Okay then show me the battle feats.I will stop

Later, I need to go to work in a few minutes. Also, where can I see the full fight of Hinata fighting the puppets?

 

[Shruikan]

Later, I need to go to work in a few minutes. Also, where can I see the full fight of Hinata fighting the puppets?

Can you at least tell me the general moments which you are implying?

Yes I am searching for that cam rip.There were literally a ton of em so I have to serach for it

 

[shelke]

Nope. Those lines indicate circular movements, since a lot of the Gentle Fist style attacks require such movements... Even if you look, the panel where Hinata is attacking Pain, she does not have any shrouds of chakra lion heads surrounding her palms.

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So again, you fail.

and stop using the anime to back up your claims when they're not canon

I don't care which is a better defense, I'm simply saying TLF IS a defensive move.

That portion of the anime is canon. Keep whining, like you always do. Suggesting that double streaked thick lines are movements is laughable. Nothing less is expected from you.

 

[Made in Heaven]

That portion of the anime is canon. Keep whining, like you always do. Suggesting that double streaked thick lines are movements is laughable. Nothing less is expected from you.

I know how the manga is read. See the whitish aura surrounding her sweeping movements? Now what is that?

Last post I'll be making in regards to this retarded statement of yours.

First Counter: Those white lines are nothing more than dirt being kicked up by Hinata's feet, same way Pain is kicking up dirt in that exact same panel. Can Pain use Twin Lion Fists from his foot ? Lol

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Second Counter: There is no Twin Lion Fist head shrouding her hands.

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And seeing as how the Lion Heads are nearly as large as her own body, I'm 100% justified in saying that we would be able to see them in those panels if they were being used. Which they weren't.

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Third Counter: Even if I were to concede that she was in fact using Twin Lion fists at that moment, she does not need to absorb chakra all the time, she can decide when to do so. And even if she was absorbing chakra, how would you even see it ??

Final Counter: Databook > You

You can kick and scream all you want after this, it isn't gonna be changing reality.

 

[shelke]

Last post I'll be making in regards to this retarded statement of yours.

First Counter: Those white lines are nothing more than dirt being kicked up by Hinata's feet, same way Pain is kicking up dirt in that exact same panel. Can Pain use Twin Lion Fists from his foot ? Lol

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Second Counter: There is no Twin Lion Fist head shrouding her hands.

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And seeing as how the Lion Heads are nearly as large as her own body, I'm 100% justified in saying that we would be able to see them in those panels if they were being used. Which they weren't.

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Third Counter: Even if I were to concede that she was in fact using Twin Lion fists at that moment, she does not need to absorb chakra all the time, she can decide when to do so. And even if she was absorbing chakra, how would you even see it ??

Final Counter: Databook > You

You can kick and scream all you want after this, it isn't gonna be changing reality.

What is changing reality? I love it how you are completely ignoring a thin double streak around her as well. Get a thick pair of glasses, given that there are two thick streaks. I can see them quite clearly. Hilarious. The whitish area behind Pein's foot is dust and so is the one around Hinata. That is not even the one I am talking about, as I explained. Everyone can see that. I even showed you proof from the anime as to what those streaks are. The only reason you are whining and *****ing about it is because it devalues Hinata.

FYI, I cannot see anything in that garbage and downright blurry photo you keep throwing in my face. No one can see her hands clearly at all. So let's stop this bull shit, before it gets out of hand. The anime proved how the fists tend to stretch and get completely deformed during fast movement. How many times have you seen her actually use them in combat? Let's see those images to prove me wrong, as the anime doesn't seem to do it for your thick head, when it's the canon part and it completely backs me up.

The issue is not whether TLFs absorb chakra or not, but whether Hinata can or not. Two different things.

 

[Madara no Rikudou]

no she didn't

 

[Made in Heaven]

What is changing reality? I love it how you are completely ignoring a thin double streak around her as well. Get a thick pair of glasses, given that there are two thick streaks. I can see them quite clearly. Hilarious. The whitish area behind Pein's foot is dust and so is the one around Hinata. That is not even the one I am talking about, as I explained. Everyone can see that. I even showed you proof from the anime as to what those streaks are. The only reason you are whining and *****ing about it is because it devalues Hinata.

Ah, you were referring to those? In that case, things are even easier for me.

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No TLF, yet the circular black streak lines are still there. It's like I said, they're meant to show the circular motions a Hyuga goes through when attacking.

FYI, I cannot see anything in that garbage and downright blurry photo you keep throwing in my face. No one can see her hands clearly at all. So let's stop this bull shit, before it gets out of hand. The anime proved how the fists tend to stretch and get completely deformed during fast movement. How many times have you seen her actually use them in combat? Let's see those images to prove me wrong, as the anime doesn't seem to do it for your thick head, when it's the canon part and it completely backs me up.

>Tells me to get glasses when I can't "see something"

>Complains about not being able to see anything

Also, the lion heads do not stretch, otherwise, they would not be in perfect composition/shape in the very next panel when Hinata is attacking Pain WHILE going through fast motions.

Again, anime is filler, that part was not canon, as Hinata never managed to even attempt attacking Pain with TLF

The issue is not whether TLFs absorb chakra or not, but whether Hinata can or not. Two different things.

How can you say she can't when she knows TLF? Funny how you didn't even say anything, when I agreed, for arguments sake, that she was in fact using TLF, in regards to how you were magically able to tell whether she was able to absorb chakra or not.

Also, just sayin': referring to yourself as a group isn't really gonna help your arguments Lol

I cannot see anything in that garbage and downright blurry photo you keep throwing in my face. No one can see her hands clearly at all.

I can see them quite clearly. Hilarious. The whitish area behind Pein's foot is dust and so is the one around Hinata. That is not even the one I am talking about, as I explained. Everyone can see that.

 

[shelke]

Ah, you were referring to those? In that case, things are even easier for me.

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No TLF, yet the circular black streak lines are still there. It's like I said, they're meant to show the circular motions a Hyuga goes through when attacking.


>Tells me to get glasses when I can't "see something"

>Complains about not being able to see anything

Also, the lion heads do not stretch, otherwise, they would not be in perfect composition/shape in the very next panel when Hinata is attacking Pain WHILE going through fast motions.

Again, anime is filler, that part was not canon, as Hinata never managed to even attempt attacking Pain with TLF



How can you say she can't when she knows TLF? Funny how you didn't even say anything, when I agreed, for arguments sake, that she was in fact using TLF, in regards to how you were magically able to tell whether she was able to absorb chakra or not.

Also, just sayin': referring to yourself as a group isn't really gonna help your arguments Lol

You mean the solid streaks versus the lines in the other image? I asked you for a scan where she used it in combat to disprove me and you have none.

They do not stretch because you have obviously seen them being used elsewhere in combat, right? Also, TLFs form through a wispy beginning and then stretch outwards. When Hinata backed away, she already had TLFs out. Another thing you completely failed to notice.

It's filler in your rubbish and pointless opinion, when that part is the canon part. You don't agree? Too bad. Should I care? No. That is all there is to it, given that you have jack squat to back this up with other than 'but but but ... it's filler.'

@ Last part: That is how an argument is written. In fact, Guilty Sparks in the other thread presented a far better argument as to whether or not they actually made contact. Another user who actually saw the streaks and agrees. Looks like you will only be backed by apologists.

 

[Made in Heaven]

You mean the solid streaks versus the lines in the other image? I asked you for a scan where she used it in combat to disprove me and you have none.

They do not stretch because you have obviously seen them being used elsewhere in combat, right? Also, TLFs form through a wispy beginning and then stretch outwards. When Hinata backed away, she already had TLFs out. Another thing you completely failed to notice.

It's filler in your rubbish and pointless opinion, when that part is the canon part. You don't agree? Too bad. Should I care? No. That is all there is to it, given that you have jack squat to back this up with other than 'but but but ... it's filler.'

Nope, I don't mean that, as the two are the exact same thing , and both are nothing more than showing circular movement.

My opinion is apparently pointless, yet you reply to it? You call it rubbish, yet you're going off of what you've seen in the anime! omg

>says he doesn't care about my opinion.

>still replies

It is filler, if twin lion actually DID stretch the way it did in the GIF you provided, it would be labeled as mid-range as opposed to being labeled as short range.

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[shelke]

Nope, I don't mean that, as the two are the exact same thing , and both are nothing more than showing circular movement.

My opinion is apparently pointless, yet you reply to it? You call it rubbish, yet you're going off of what you've seen in the anime! omg

>says he doesn't care about my opinion.

>still replies

It is filler, if twin lion actually DID stretch the way it did in the GIF you provided, it would be labeled as mid-range as opposed to being labeled as short range.

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Are we still doing this? Kindly look at the way she actually creates TLF. It took her a good 2 - 3 seconds to make one. To even think that Pein would allow her the luxury is laughable and sheer lunacy to begin with. She obviously did so whilst running and the next we see her, she's already trying to hit him. It happened off panel, it means.

No, I had to state I don't, because I don't. I don't want to give you the impression that you're actually getting anywhere with this. I have said my piece, and this is my last reply. I would still take the anime explanation over your flimsy and generally poor opinions any day. It's impossible to see her hands, yet to claim evidence through those blurry images to give an impression that one can even see her hands, I have to hand it to your absurdity. When the image is so blurry that I cannot even make out a thing around her hands.

TLFs were shown to trail behind and get wispy by the anime, and yet you claim it isn't so, when there is zero evidence in the manga to back this up. You claim that those are the same as these motion marks against the Juubi's flesh portions, yet those are thick streaks of whitish and generally ambiguous substance against Pein. She has not shown to instantly turn on TLF. So what is the logical explanation? The anime makes the entire thing clear. Hence, you have two things going against you: TLF cannot be turned on instantly - backed by manga - they don't trail behind and get deformed and wispy - no evidence in the manga.

You don't agree? Wouldn't be the first time. You are wrong? Wouldn't be the first time. You believe Hinata actually has some relevance in combat? Wouldn't be the first time. This has less to do with TLF and more with your pointless, impetuous and importune behaviour to be an eternal Hinata apologist. Should I be surprised? Not at all. Now you can cling to your absurd logic, without any counter balancing evidence as to why it doesn't streak, when the manga doesn't support it, and stop this bickering. I certainly won't indulge you any longer, when all you have is a baseless opinion that they don't trail behind and get deformed in fluent combat, when you have never even seen it.

So guess what? It's your acquired taste in opinions as usual. Save it.

@Gif Dear God ... is that what I meant by stretch? I said trail behind, streaks ... do you know what that even means? Those are trailing behind, or stretching behind or streaking ... how the **** would that make it a mid-ranged technique when its a trailing motion? God, your grasp at English ...

Whatever motion is happening is happening behind her actual movements, as in the gif. It would make zero difference to her forward motion range. It's like I am throwing pebbles at a stone, cold wall.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Are we still doing this? Kindly look at the way she actually creates TLF. It took her a good 2 - 3 seconds to make one. To even think that Pein would allow her the luxury is laughable and sheer lunacy to begin with. She obviously did so whilst running and the next we see her, she's already trying to hit him. It happened off panel, it means.

No, I had to state I don't, because I don't. I don't want to give you the impression that you're actually getting anywhere with this. I have said my piece, and this is my last reply. I would still take the anime explanation over your flimsy and generally poor opinions any day. It's impossible to see her hands, yet to claim evidence through those blurry images to give an impression that one can even see her hands, I have to hand it to your absurdity. When the image is so blurry that I cannot even make out a thing around her hands.

TLFs were shown to trail behind and get wispy by the anime, and yet you claim it isn't so, when there is zero evidence in the manga to back this up. You claim that those are the same as these motion marks against the Juubi's flesh portions, yet those are thick streaks of whitish and generally ambiguous substance against Pein. She has not shown to instantly turn on TLF. So what is the logical explanation? The anime makes the entire thing clear. Hence, you have two things going against you: TLF cannot be turned on instantly - backed by manga - they don't trail behind and get deformed and wispy - no evidence in the manga.

You don't agree? Wouldn't be the first time. You are wrong? Wouldn't be the first time. You believe Hinata actually has some relevance in combat? Wouldn't be the first time. This has less to do with TLF and more with your pointless, impetuous and importune behaviour to be an eternal Hinata apologist. Should I be surprised? Not at all. Now you can cling to your absurd logic, without any counter balancing evidence as to why it doesn't streak, when the manga doesn't support it, and stop this bickering. I certainly won't indulge you any longer, when all you have is a baseless opinion that they don't trail behind and get deformed in fluent combat, when you have never even seen it.

So guess what? It's your acquired taste in opinions as usual. Save it.

@Gif Dear God ... is that what I meant by stretch? I said trail behind, streaks ... do you know what that even means? Those are trailing behind, or stretching behind or streaking ... how the **** would that make it a mid-ranged technique when its a trailing motion? God, your grasp at English ...

Whatever motion is happening is happening behind her actual movements, as in the gif. It would make zero difference to her forward motion range. It's like I am throwing pebbles at a stone, cold wall.

It's incredible how much of your post is nothing more than ridicule. Is this always what you do to calm yourself when you get angry ?

lol 'it happened off panel"

In the gif, right before it cuts off and loops, her TLF DO stretch foward, giving them more range. That's what I was referring to.

Anyways, I suppose I'll concede and agree she was using Twin Lion fists there. But even of I do so, how does this help your original point? You claimed Hinata can't absorb Chakra w/ TLF because she never did it when she was hitting pain, yet how the flip would you know if she absorbed chakra at that point or not, or even she was even aiming to do so?

 

[shelke]

It's incredible how much of your post is nothing more than ridicule. Is this always what you do to calm yourself when you get angry ?

lol 'it happened off panel"

In the gif, right before it cuts off and loops, her TLF DO stretch foward, giving them more range. That's what I was referring to.

Anyways, I suppose I'll concede and agree she was using Twin Lion fists there. But even of I do so, how does this help your original point? You claimed Hinata can't absorb Chakra w/ TLF because she never did it when she was hitting pain, yet how the flip would you know if she absorbed chakra at that point or not, or even she was even aiming to do so?

I was not going to reply, but at least you conceded on one argument. Have a + rep.

P.s: This is for you - or anyone else who thinks that way - I am never angry over the internet. I took a harsh stance, because you were blatantly denying that those were not TLFs, when they are.

 

[Tyris]

Um... TLF doesn't stretch a single bit during NUNS or revolution... fanfic and speculation. It looks like the chakra trails the force of her strike not extending...

Neji any arc>hiNOTa

 

[Tyris]

Hinata never forgot to activate her Byakugan, she merely asked Kiba where Naruto was, and he pointed in a direction, telling her to activate her Byakugan to see him. No indication of her forgetting to activate them.

5th Time I'll be posting this in this thread. smh

You're trying to make a big deal out of Hinata's one second of hesitation as if it actually means anything. 64 palms requires the user to have fluid foot work and hand work, precise aim and reflexes, and fast movements altogether so as to prevent the opponent from having any chance of escaping the 64 palms combo. Hence why it's said to be unavoidable, as the opponent can not escape it after the first hit lands. the fact that the Juubi clone was unable to escape the maneuver despite Hinata's hesitation shows how insignificant and meaningless that moment was in regards to her skills with the technique.

So what if she doesn't know Rotation? By that logic, Hinata knows TLF, while Neji does not. Not to mention her other abilities that P1 neji doesn't have.

Hinata only tripped and fell down because she was exhausted and low on chakra, much like what happened with Naruto in his final fight with Sasuke. Much like how it's always been throughout the series; once a character is out or low on chakra, they collapse.



Hinata never hit Pain with her Twin Lion Fists, so I'm afraid you're the one with the fanfics.

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Dont go full retard while fapping so hard...

Say your going out to eat with a friend and are headed to the car... you "have" the keys but misplaced/left them in the house without noticing. You ask your friend if they've seen your keys... friend replies: "dont you normally have them?" Or something along those lines... as the key and car owner, you simply forgot them no matter the reason and were reminded of the last or usual location of your keys(byakugan) because you cant drive the car(see naruto) when your best equip to know the answer as opposed to those around you

And she tripped over 2 rocks all by herself lol Adding to the notion that she does not have precise aim or fluid movements enough to surpass Neji 1v1 any arc as he finds his mark and has had 64 down before adolescence unlike his inferior cousin who barely managed to complete the form and on a fodder mini juubi clone & still struggled.

Kaiten>her rotation... it can be done in air or with less prep if any besides starting a spin. So who's to say Neji cant and wouldn't counter spin on her and nullify her jutsu while sliding easier and faster into his 64(+) palms and neg tht fodder of a "better" branch family member he trained due to feeling sorry for how badly he destroyed her during the chuunin exams AFTER all the tnj he suffered through.

Again: Neji > hinota

Her best feat period(edit) was killing bee summons while neji had already had kaiten down which mind you, she should have had and still doesn't.. oh wait Can't. Caught a body before p1 ended and almost died on his own terms no less(directing kido battle and guiding the arrow shot) whilst hinata was getting yelled at by her pops cause she aint shit and the whole clan knew it. Hinata NEVER fought actually even fought any real ninjas. Hell, all the other girls helped fight akatsuki.. hinata hasnt landed a single blow on a reputable ninja...

 

[FemmeFatale]

No, her 64 Palm is sort of sloppy, she needs pratice

 

[BLAZE]

Her best feat p2 was kilking bee summons .

Dats Part 1 filler