Did Hinata surpass part 1 Neji in the manga?

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I'm genuinely laughing at you, because you actually think Shikamaru VS Hidan would be the same thing as P1 Neji VS P2 Hinata.

Your sad, pathetic bias shows when you refuse to acknowledge that Shikamaru had to set up a trap for Hidan, needed Kakashi's aid, needed Kakuzu's blood, and needed huge amounts of prep time and analyzation to beat Hidan. In the spur of the moment, in a 1 VS 1 scenario, Shikamaru would have died in 5 seconds or less.



I believe I've said this to you at least 6 times in this thread. Neji has a 3 in intelligence, while Hinata has a 3.5, so there's little to no reason you can claim Hinata is not as battle smart as Neji is.

I love how you bring up Pain, the same man who took on multiple jonins at once and crushed the village all on his own, to pathetically try and make Hinata out to be someone weak who would get one-shotted by P1 Neji, when even Neji and every other K11, including Sasuke and Naruto [at that time in the story] would not have been in any a better situation than Hinata had they too gone up against Pain.
Brain>Power

U pretty much proved it.

I can since Neji mastered Kaiten and 64 palms with just 3 inteligence.

Hinata with 3.5 inteligence didn't learn Kaiten.

To be honest I see more tears than laughter in your post. Since you did not even answer one single question of mine. You are also not able to back up your points with actual manga statements.

Now answer these questions before I continue any further.

Oh really why not?



Now how about you show me when she was dumb? Instead of dodging the question.





And how is losing to Pein a bad thing? Do you think Pein is some kinda fodder?
Better to say where did she made one villain look bad.Where did she prove her being able to surprise someone in fight.

1v1 against a person.

Umm Pain slipped or didn't have balance(don't remember)

She hit him...She sure hurt him.
 

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Anyone brave and confident enough for part 1 Neji wining against Part 2 Hinata

Just enter my thread about it by clicking this link:

I dare anyone of you. If noone will challenge me then I won't be surprised at all and just treat lack of challenge as submitting and agreeing with me Lol
Don't try to bait the brainless haters, they don't have any arguments to fight back that. ^^
 

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Brain>Power

U pretty much proved it.

I can since Neji mastered Kaiten and 64 palms with just 3 inteligence.

Hinata with 3.5 inteligence didn't learn Kaiten.
Hinata learned Twin Lion Fists, a technique far more complicated than Rotation. Likewise, Hinata too knows 64 palms, and can even combine it with her Twin Lion Fists.
 

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Better to say where did she made one villain look bad.Where did she prove her being able to surprise someone in fight.
That is not what I asked, Nor was it part of the discussion. We are talking about from what she has done. Everyone knows how her place is in the manga. She was a side character, Who did not really get much relevance as other characters who were focused on. So really the stuff you are asking about was never implemented by the writer. Why should we argue about something like that?

1v1 against a person.
What? That makes no sense?

Umm Pain slipped or didn't have balance(don't remember)
That was a anime filler.

She hit him...She sure hurt him.
Hinata never hit Pein. That was a anime filler.
 

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Offensive moves can still be used defensively. Also, I cackle at how you keep changing topics and avoiding questions.
What did I avoid? Sorry?

Sure that's the reason why offensive is called offensive and defensive...defensive.

That is not what I asked, Nor was it part of the discussion. We are talking about from what she has done. Everyone knows how her place is in the manga. She was a side character, Who did not really get much relevance as other characters who were focused on. So really the stuff you are asking about was never implemented by the writer. Why should we argue about something like that?



What? That makes no sense?



That was a anime filler.



Hinata never hit Pein. That was a anime filler.
Show me a pannel where she shows her "brain" in battle vs ppl.

Didn't even hit? wow great :leaf:
 
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Show me a pannel where she shows her "brain" in battle vs ppl.

Didn't even hit? wow great :leaf:
I will not show you anything unless you answer these questions.

Well sometimes power is needed yes but Neji Hinata no.
Oh really why not?

Where did Hinata prove to have brains? In screaming Naruto-kun every single time?
Now how about you show me when she was dumb? Instead of dodging the question.


Last time when she fought someone she lost to Pain negg diff not even doing one diecent blow.

And how is losing to Pein a bad thing? Do you think Pein is some kinda fodder?

You are avoiding them because you got no answers.
 

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What did I avoid? Sorry?

Sure that's the reason why offensive is called offensive and defensive...defensive.
You're avoiding my argument of saying Hinata scores higher than Neji in intelligence.

so Twin Lion Fists can't be used to absorb incoming elemental attacks because it's offensive?

so Air Palm can't be used to deflect Kunais or an opponent's strikes?

so 64 palms can't be used to ward off enemies?

Get real.

Actually, with that said, keep in mind that Twin Lion fists is both offensive and defensive at the same time, same way Rotation is both offensive and defensive at the same time.
 

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I will not show you anything unless you answer these questions.

Oh really why not?



Now how about you show me when she was dumb? Instead of dodging the question.





And how is losing to Pein a bad thing? Do you think Pein is some kinda fodder?

You are avoiding them because you got no answers.
I answered them XD

U keep asking the same.

You're avoiding my argument of saying Hinata scores higher than Neji in intelligence.

so Twin Lion Fists can't be used to absorb incoming elemental attacks because it's offensive?

so Air Palm can't be used to deflect Kunais or an opponent's strikes?

so 64 palms can't be used to ward off enemies?

Get real.

Actually, with that said, keep in mind that Twin Lion fists is both offensive and defensive at the same time, same way Rotation is both offensive and defensive at the same time.
So u will rather use offensive moves than simple Kaiten if u could....great.

Hinata with 0.5 more inteligence couldn't do Kaiten.

Neji with 0.5 less inteligence did things what Hinata with 0.5 more did...sad.
 
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Part 2 Hinata's skillset/moveset
  • Hakke Kuushou (Eight Trigrams Empty Palm): After using their Byakugan to locate a target's vitals, the user will attack with a forceful palm thrust which releases a small wave of chakra. The attack is powerful enough to blow a person off of their feet and has a range of several meters.
  • Hakke Kuhekisho (Eight Trigrams Empty Wall Palm): A combination attack involving two Juuken users who simultaneously strike a target with their Hakke Kuushou (Eight Trigrams Empty Palm) technique. Hinata uses this jutsu in combination with Neji.
  • Juho Soshiken (Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists): Hinata forms two large lion-shaped chakra shrouds around her hands, then uses them to strike an opponent. The power of this technique has yet to be demonstrated, however it is implied that it increases the effectiveness of Juuken strikes.
  • Hakke Rokujuyon Sho (Eight-Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms): Hinata strikes the target a total of sixty-four times, starting with two strikes all the way up to a total of sixty-four. When struck, the target is unable to form chakra and is mostly paralyzed since the strikes target tenkatsu, and she can combine it with Juho Soshiken to increase the lethality.
Part 2 Neji's skillset/moveset
  • Hakkeshou Kaiten (Eight Trigrams Palms Heavenly Spin): The user releases ckakra from all of the tenketsu points on their body and spins rapidly to create a small omnidirectional vortex of chakra that can be used for defensive purposes.
  • Hakke Rokujuuyon Shou (Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms): By utilizing the Byakugan's ability to pinpoint a person's tenketsu points, the user will strike 64 of the victim's 361 chakra points to seal off their chakra flow and inflict internal damage.
  • Jūkenpō Ichigekishin (Gentle Fist Art Single Body Blow): A close range technique which allows the user to expel a forceful blast chakra from all of their tenketsu points at once. Similar to Kaiten, but without the spinning effect and less range.
  • Hakke Kuushou (Eight Trigrams Empty Palm): After using their Byakugan to locate a target's vitals, the user will attack with a forceful palm thrust which releases a small wave of chakra. The attack is powerful enough to blow a person off of their feet and has a range of several meters.
  • Hakke Kuhekisho (Eight Trigrams Empty Wall Palm): A combination attack involving two Juuken users who simultaneously strike a target with their Hakke Kuushou (Eight Trigrams Empty Palm) technique. Neji uses this jutsu in combination with Hinata.
Part 2 Hinata vs Part 2 Neji:

Part 2 Offence close range: Hinata's Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists along 64 palms > anything Neji has
Part 2 Offence medium range: Hinata's Vacuum palm ~ Neji's vacuum palm
Part 2 Defence: Neji's Eight Trigrams Palms Heavenly Spin >> Anything Hinata has

Part 2 Hinata vs Part 1 Neji:

Offence close range: Hinata's Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists along 64 palms >> anything Neji has
Offence medium range: Hianta's Vacuum palm > Neji's lack of vacuum palm
Defence: Neji's Eight Trigrams Palms Heavenly Spin >> Anything Hinata has

It proves that Part 2 Hinata is little better then part 2 Neji on offence, but infferior in defence by some margin
Part 2 Hinata is supperior to part 1 Neji on offence with quite wide margin, but infferior in defence a bit.

Summary:
Offence: Part 2 Hinata >= Part 2 Neji > Part 1 Neji
Defence: Part 2 Neji > Part 1 Neji >=Part 2 Hinata

Conclusion: Part 2 Neji >=Part 2 Hinata > Part 1 Neji

for any more arguments I invite everyone to my thread about it to discuss it further and debate.
 

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I answered them XD

U keep asking the same.
Do you not know how to read? Or are you really this illiterate?

The answers you gave me were all Pein related. Also you did not really answer any of them. You just gave me a anime filler answer that you thought was canon.


Well sometimes power is needed yes but Neji Hinata no.
Oh really why not?

Where did Hinata prove to have brains? In screaming Naruto-kun every single time?
Now how about you show me when she was dumb? Instead of dodging the question.


Last time when she fought someone she lost to Pain negg diff not even doing one diecent blow.

And how is losing to Pein a bad thing? Do you think Pein is some kinda fodder?

Now once again reread these and answer them with a head. If you can't do that than you got no answers. And honestly you are the only one making yourself look like a fool not me. Because apparently to you, losing to Pein is a bad thing. When the whole village got destroyed? Lol
 

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So u will rather use offensive moves than simple Kaiten if u could....great.


Didn't I just finish saying Twin lion Fists is a defensive move? Didn't Hinata use Air Palm to defend Naruto from the wooden spike? Didn't Neji use 64 palms to defend himself from Kidomaru's spider's?

What even IS your point in this nonsensical argument of Hinata not having any defensive moves [even though she clearly does]?

Hinata with 0.5 more inteligence couldn't do Kaiten.
Like I said, yes Neji pulled off Rotation while Hinata didn't, but did he pull of Twin Lion Fists? No. And Twin Lion Fists is a more complicated jutsu to master than Rotation.
 

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Do you not know how to read? Or are you really this illiterate?

The answers you gave me were all Pein related. Also you did not really answer any of them. You just gave me a anime filler answer that you thought was canon.


Oh really why not?



Now how about you show me when she was dumb? Instead of dodging the question.





And how is losing to Pein a bad thing? Do you think Pein is some kinda fodder?

Now once again reread these and answer them with a head. If you can't do that than you got no answers. And honestly you are the only one making yourself look like a fool not me. Because apparently to you, losing to Pein is a bad thing. When the whole village got destroyed? Lol
Why? Couse Neji is genius.Hinata a pairing fodder.
Neji 0.5 less inteligence = same feats as Hinata with 0.5 more inteligence.

The second question I asked u something,and u didn't reply me we can play the same game.

Pain isn't a fodder if u want to hear that.

Didn't I just finish saying Twin lion Fists is a defensive move? Didn't Hinata use Air Palm to defend Naruto from the wooden spike? Didn't Neji use 64 palms to defend himself from Kidomaru's spider's?

What even IS your point in this nonsensical argument of Hinata not having any defensive moves [even though she clearly does]?



Like I said, yes Neji pulled off Rotation while Hinata didn't, but did he pull of Twin Lion Fists? No. And Twin Lion Fists is a more complicated jutsu to master than Rotation.
Kaiten best defensive move.

He had 0.5 less inteligence :win:

Kaiten is way useful than Lion Fist.

But hey if Kishi didn't give Hinata that move she would be an ultra fodder...did she even strike anyone with that move?
 
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Databook stats are being compared? Lol @ Hinata fans, when we all know they show individual potential. Neji was a prodigy, hence he has a lot of potential tin intelligence.
 

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Why? Couse Neji is genius.Hinata a pairing fodder.
Neji 0.5 less inteligence = same feats as Hinata with 0.5 more inteligence.
If Hinata has more Intelligence marks than Neji, than your genius statement goes right out of the window. You really should not be using this argument for part 1 Neji. Since its clearly false.

The second question I asked u something,and u didn't reply me we can play the same game.
Well that is how you debate really. You dodge the question by asking another question. That is why when I asked you this question first. You never answered it. I already gave a response to it by showing you when she was smart. You did not answer my question by showing me when she was dumb. Also if her intelligence marks are higher than part 1 Neji. It clearly means shes a lot more smarter. So that question of yours already got answered right there. Now how about you answer mine than?

Pain isn't a fodder if u want to hear that.
Than how is losing to him such a bad thing? Why are you laughing at someone who lost to Pein that way? When the whole village got destroyed by him? How is Pein a weak opponent that she should have beat?
 

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Databook stats are being compared? Lol @ Hinata fans, when we all know they show individual potential. Neji was a prodigy, hence he has a lot of potential tin intelligence.
And we could see what he became. Sad, really sad, a guy capable of soloing all K11 in part 1, became an average strong side character. The only responsible of that are Kishi, his editors, and fanboys.
 

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If Hinata has more Intelligence marks than Neji, than your genius statement goes right out of the window. You really should not be using this argument for part 1 Neji. Since its clearly false.



Well that is how you debate really. You dodge the question by asking another question. That is why when I asked you this question first. You never answered it. I already gave a response to it by showing you when she was smart. You did not answer my question by showing me when she was dumb. Also if her intelligence marks are higher than part 1 Neji. It clearly means shes a lot more smarter. So that question of yours already got answered right there. Now how about you answer mine than?



Than how is losing to him such a bad thing? Why are you laughing at someone who lost to Pein that way? When the whole village got destroyed by him? How is Pein a weak opponent that she should have beat?
She has more inteligence yet same feats :| how's that bad for Neji I don't get it ...

Didn't reply...didn't read.(that's how u are debating now) reply to my question.

I thought she hit him...
 
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