[Discussion] Devil fruit powers maxed at start?

[chopstickchakra]

I may be blanking here but when you get a DF are the powers you get at their top already or do they develop too? Now I know you can develop your fruits to make yourself more powerful but what about the fruit itself is the user already holding the full power just perhaps dormant until their body is able to access it all?

Say for instance someone had developed their body already and then ate a fruit do you think they could utilize the fruit to it's best from the jump? Like Aokiji's ice or WB's Quake for example do you think the amount of ice or shocks increased or were they always able to make as much as they do know and if not do you think this was due to them physically or the fruit not being "matured" so to speak?

What really made me think of this was BB's use of the GGnM
Here is WB

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Here is BB

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Now really they should be vastly different with BB just receiving the GGnM but it's not. So I wonder, A. Is the fruits max potential unlocked upon eating and the user needs to develop their body to utilize it? B. The user grows the fruits powers and abilities through years of use? C. If B is true is it possible the fruits retain "experience"/"knowledge" of previous users and uses? i.e. could the next Gum Gum eater be intrinsically lead to learning/using techniques Luffy used like Gears?

 

[Love Cook]

I think the fruit is always at 100% you get all the powers from the first bite.

The way you use that power is only limited by your own strength and creativity. If Blackbeard has seen WB pull off this trick he knows that it's something he can do with the fruit, then he only needs to put the same amount of power and technique in to make it happen.

If Usopp ate WB's fruit he wouldn't be able to pull this off. He could recreate this effect in a puddle.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I think the fruit is always at 100% you get all the powers from the first bite.

The way you use that power is only limited by your own strength and creativity. If Blackbeard has seen WB pull off this trick he knows that it's something he can do with the fruit, then he only needs to put the same amount of power and technique in to make it happen.

If Usopp ate WB's fruit he wouldn't be able to pull this off. He could recreate this effect in a puddle.

I was thinking along the same lines, since BB had already developed his strength he was able to utilize the GGnM to the fullest from the time he ate it. Wasn't sure if this had ever been addressed before or not though.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Always at 100%. I consider BB an outlier here due to him taking a fruit from someone who died minutes ago at most, though Sabo could replicate Ace's signature technique and more the moment he obtained the fruit, so it wasn't as though what the fruit could do was limited because it had just been acquired. Hell, Kaku was the most impressive zoan user we've ever seen despite not even having his fruit an entire day.

 

[Sakazuki]

Always at 100%. I consider BB an outlier here due to him taking a fruit from someone who died minutes ago at most, though Sabo could replicate Ace's signature technique and more the moment he obtained the fruit, so it wasn't as though what the fruit could do was limited because it had just been acquired. Hell, Kaku was the most impressive zoan user we've ever seen despite not even having his fruit an entire day.

Besides lucci

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Besides lucci

Lucci was simply a strong character that combined his Rokushiki techniques in his battle style. Kaku did a shit ton more with his zoan than Lucci did as his attacks were actually inspired by the forms his zoan took opposed to Lucci's who's were akin to simply adding haki to zoan attacks or Sabo using Dragon Claw as a bear.

 

[Edogawa]

Depends on the mechanics of the DF, I guess. DF like ones that affect the environment (Gura Gura) are maxed out at first, but you still need training to control the directions of tremors, whereas ones that affect the body like Gomu Gomu are not fully unlocked yet and need time and training to fully use it. Luffy didn’t get Gears right away after eating Gomu, it came long time after

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Depends on the mechanics of the DF, I guess. DF like ones that affect the environment (Gura Gura) are maxed out at first, but you still need training to control the directions of tremors, whereas ones that affect the body like Gomu Gomu are not fully unlocked yet and need time and training to fully use it. Luffy didn’t get Gears right away after eating Gomu, it came long time after

The gears were just Luffy using creativity to do tricks that his rubber body had always enabled him to do. Gear 2 is simply pumping blood, Gear 3 is inflation, and Gear 4 is focused inflation + haki. None of them were the result of new abilities granted by his fruit itself improving.

 

[Sakazuki]

Yes theyre "maxed" even though that cant even be considered a term for dfs. You eat a devil fruit, you get a power.

Now how you use that power is up to you


The only thing that stumps me is if , with training, people like akainu or ace would they be able to increase the heat of their fruit. Or aokiji decrease the temperature of his.

 

[Sakazuki]

So no one gots an answer for me? Figures

 

[chopstickchakra]

So no one gots an answer for me? Figures

I wouldn't think so because if they were able to train and make flames hotter or ice colder than the fruit wouldn't be maxed at start it would be improving the fruits power I would assume with training they would be able to use the fruits power is bigger areas and different ways.

Take Luffy for example he's trained his fruit to create new ways of using it but I'm pretty sure he's always had the same "extension limit" granted it's an imaginary number but I don't think the Gum Gum can stretch Luffy's body anymore now than they day he ate it but Luffy has learned how to utilize that elasticity better.

 

[Sakazuki]

I wouldn't think so because if they were able to train and make flames hotter or ice colder than the fruit wouldn't be maxed at start it would be improving the fruits power I would assume with training they would be able to use the fruits power is bigger areas and different ways.

Take Luffy for example he's trained his fruit to create new ways of using it but I'm pretty sure he's always had the same "extension limit" granted it's an imaginary number but I don't think the Gum Gum can stretch Luffy's body anymore now than they day he ate it but Luffy has learned how to utilize that elasticity better.

Yo you debunked this whole thing. Luffy can stretch his arms way further than he use to be able to!
I forget when, maybe one of you elites can find it pre timeskip where luffy reached his stretch limit... Now he can stretch way further it first showed against doffy.

Powers dont start at max. Chopstick is the man


Edit: looked up how far luffy could stretch and found this

A fan once asked Oda the same thing. He said, and I quote:

Oda: He can stretch them really far. Right now, Luffy can stretch about 72 Gomu Gomus. But Luffy is now working hard, trying to achieve 100 Gomu Gomus record [sic].


Thats awesome. You can train devil fruits to be better. They dont start at max.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Yo you debunked this whole thing. Luffy can stretch his arms way further than he use to be able to!
I forget when, maybe one of you elites can find it pre timeskip where luffy reached his stretch limit... Now he can stretch way further it first showed against doffy.

Powers dont start at max. Chopstick is the man


Edit: looked up how far luffy could stretch and found this

A fan once asked Oda the same thing. He said, and I quote:

Oda: He can stretch them really far. Right now, Luffy can stretch about 72 Gomu Gomus. But Luffy is now working hard, trying to achieve 100 Gomu Gomus record [sic].


Thats awesome. You can train devil fruits to be better. They dont start at max.

I don't know though, did Luffy train the fruit to stretch further or did Luffy's physical growth allow him to reach the limits of the fruit? Is it the same question just phrased differently?

Like Ace's heat, probably had x degrees when he ate it but he could only produce y ft of it, when he died I think he still produced x degrees but the y number grew substantially. Now do we figure this is the fruit growing or the user? Or was Ace able to increase the heat he produced over time?

Maybe it's not a cut and dry thing that applies to all maybe it's dependent on fruit class? Logia may start max while paramecia develop? Do you think WB's quakes were as strong once he ate the fruit or did they get stronger? And how do they get stronger by more force from WB, wouldn't that be a growth in the person than and not the fruit?And if they don't start at max how do we explain BB being able to make shockwaves on par with WB? I guess what it boils down to is Awakening, is it pushing your fruit and reaching it's best or pushing your body to be able to access all of the fruits true powers?

 

[Sakazuki]

I don't know though, did Luffy train the fruit to stretch further or did Luffy's physical growth allow him to reach the limits of the fruit? Is it the same question just phrased differently?

Like Ace's heat, probably had x degrees when he ate it but he could only produce y ft of it, when he died I think he still produced x degrees but the y number grew substantially. Now do we figure this is the fruit growing or the user? Or was Ace able to increase the heat he produced over time?

Maybe it's not a cut and dry thing that applies to all maybe it's dependent on fruit class? Logia may start max while paramecia develop? Do you think WB's quakes were as strong once he ate the fruit or did they get stronger? And how do they get stronger by more force from WB, wouldn't that be a growth in the person than and not the fruit?And if they don't start at max how do we explain BB being able to make shockwaves on par with WB? I guess what it boils down to is Awakening, is it pushing your fruit and reaching it's best or pushing your body to be able to access all of the fruits true powers?

I like your point with Whitebeard and his physical strength. It appeared black beard did produce an equal out put but i don't think it was still quite the same as whitebeards . that's just me. Remeber when ace used those green fire explosive balls? I wonder if he could've did that right from the beginning or if he had to learn about it or if he had to train his fruit

 

[chopstickchakra]

I like your point with Whitebeard and his physical strength. It appeared black beard did produce an equal out put but i don't think it was still quite the same as whitebeards . that's just me. Remeber when ace used those green fire explosive balls? I wonder if he could've did that right from the beginning or if he had to learn about it or if he had to train his fruit

Tbh I thought BB's might have actually been a little bit bigger, WB on top BB on bottom. BB's if you look at the piece with MF in front of the boats it seems raised higher or tilted more.

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Though if either were any bigger it was marginally.

 

[Sakazuki]

Tbh I thought BB's might have actually been a little bit bigger, WB on top BB on bottom. BB's if you look at the piece with MF in front of the boats it seems raised higher or tilted more.

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Though if either were any bigger it was marginally.

I too would say it appears bigger. Do you think he couldve done those tsunamis?

 

[Easyfathom]

Maxed I reckon. I think it's more of a knowledge aspect... Luffy is a prime example. He is a rubber man by definition, but as a kid we see him trying to throw a pistol and it's all over the place without any real force behind it. Now being stronger and more coordinated, he can sling that arm with both precision and power. His fruit always had that capability, but he is now able to utilise it better.
Blackbeard has seen the Gura Gura no mi plenty of times and he knows how it works and what it can do. Which is why he was able to mimmic Whitebeard's attack so well, but not control it in the same fashion.

I don't think it matters what type of fruit you get, the powers that they hold are always the same. It's down to the user to bring those out and utilise them!

 

[chopstickchakra]

I like your point with Whitebeard and his physical strength. It appeared black beard did produce an equal out put but i don't think it was still quite the same as whitebeards . that's just me. Remeber when ace used those green fire explosive balls? I wonder if he could've did that right from the beginning or if he had to learn about it or if he had to train his fruit

I just reread and saw the point about Ace. I think he was always able to do it but didn't know it and had to learn it was a thing just like Luffy always had the ability to do gears(and by extensions every other gum gum user before) he just had to figure it out. So that skill always existed from day one it's just up to the user to be able to figure out how to use the fruit in that way.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I too would say it appears bigger. Do you think he couldve done those tsunamis?

Just one, but yeah based on what I saw at MF I think BB can do anything WB could do with them and tbh I think BB's craftier nature will have him using them in ways WB didn't when we see him use them.