DerpObito, Uzumaki theory Refuted

[From the Dark Spire]

Okay dude, this was all I was looking for, see it wasn't that hard. Anyway, now that you've got this, I'll try to counter it. Also, there's no need to say that we should not need the scans because we're already educated in the Manga. I basically already knew what images you were gonna pull, but sometimes it helps to actually see them rather than recall from memory. Also, this is not just for my sake, but for everyone viewing this thread, and obviously not everyone knows everything, so providing evidence is nice.




Okay, I can definitely see the similarity, but I can still see how similar the Uzumaki spiral is. Honestly, all three are very similar looking, and I don't think this argument is really gonna go anywhere, because both sides could be argued. The spirals on the statue are multiple, and some are like Sasuke's and some are like the Ameterasu. It could also be argued that the spirals on the statue are random, invalidating both comparisons.
To be honest, Sasuke's Ameterasu thing looks more like that symbol Hinata had on her coat in Part 1:

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Yes, I can see the similarity now. However, just because they both wore a high collared cloak does not really mean anything. As you can see in the side by side comparison of SO6P and Minato, they're also very similar, but there is probably no relation there. It's already widely known that the Uchihas are the descendants of the SO6P, it could been seen that they would have somewhat similar clothing. However, saying that theirs is more similar than the Uzamakis doesn't really prove anything, because it has a right to be similar. What you're doing here is more proving the Uchihas relation less then disproving that of the Uzamakis.

About the Uzamakis wearing amour: Firstly, their armour was more light than that of the Senjus. Also, I think in that time armour was often just a given for many clans. Even the Uchihas who you're basing a lot on wore armour from time to time:

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Overall I don't think comparing clothing is really the best argument on either side, as it can change. It's just clothes, after all.


Actually saying the Senju were more well rounded is kind of a detriment to your theory. If they're well rounded, obviously they will know sealing, that's a given for being well rounded, not showing that they inherited something special. The fact that the Uzumaki's specialized in it, however, makes a clearer case for them. Most of your information on the Senju's sealing comes from one dude: Hashirama. He's clearly the best example of a Senju and you're using him to represent the whole clan (which is kind of inaccurate). You also forget that Hashirama was married to Mito, who was an Uzumaki with a lot of fuinjutsu knowledge. How much of this knowledge she imparted to him after they were married is unknown, but I suspect there is at least some connect between her and his sealing skills.

To be honest, dude, debating so much over something that is still mostly mere speculation is rather pointless, but you wanted a reply, so I'm trying to give you one.

Also...everyone else, is this thread really turning into some type of popularity contest?

This. Well spoken reply man. Now this is what I'm talking about.

And yeah, let us end the popularity contest, people.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Kinda pushing it now Obito. He did provide manga scans now, the time now has arrived to engage in his debate.

He's been spamming this thread the whole time.

 

[Invsblphntm]

KingHashirama does xd

*gasp*


Are you implying the guy putting down the Uzumaki is KingHashirama...?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I could've swear Mito looks like a Shinto Priestess:

Shinto Priestess is a "Miko" btw

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Miko Mito Lol

 

[LordRevan]

1)Both had the same spiral but reversal, or the way you call it one is opening and the other closing, that's why I said they're like mirrored. Down-left spiral. We could argue forever about that point, but the way I saw is this. If you say that spiral isn't a proper Uzumaki one, I may say the same about Susano'o since it has some flame spikes (don't know how to call it, I don't speak english).

3)Yes senju have something from SO6P, so the Uchiha with the stone needed for Unseal an specific Uzumaki seal. I don't see your point in this one.

1. Flame spikes don't make up the spiral however, you can see the spiral is even drown out with a white line.
3. I didn't get the meaning of the bolded part.

Who else seems to put :] on every sentence...?


Are you fuccing kidding me...?

Are you asking me the question?

I could've swear Mito looks like a Shinto Priestess:

Shinto Priestess is a "Miko" btw

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Miko Mito Lol

You have to be highly conceited to say they look alike.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Call him by his real account's name: KingHashirama :snick:

How can you even debate with someone who is even dishonest with his identity? xd

Well, it can't really be confirmed if he is his alt. But nonetheless mortal, it is in my nature to debate with a statement. It is my dark instincts to try to prove everyone wrong with their assumptions, but if I find something rather logical, then I will concur with that person and at least try to engage in a discussion with them.

Nice.

-My point in bring sasuke's susano'o was to show that the closest resemblance to the statue spirals is that of Sasuke's amaterasu's/Susano'o technique. If you look closer the Amaterasu is not like the fire symbol you showed on Hinata. In fact it's end is on the side. And If the spirals are nothing, then it would just support me more. My point was to prove his theory wrong, or make him realize he needs more FIRM evidence.


- Yes I know of that Uchiha picture. But look at the Uchiha in the Senju vs Uchiha battle. Uchiha don't wear armor. And also, my mission was to negate Derp's point on them dressing like the SO6P and etc. Uzumaki only wear a SLIGHTER light armor.

- Hashirama Senju, represents the whole clan as their leader. The only way he can't be said to represent the Senju clan is for his Mokuton. Other then that, everything he is capable of doing can apply to the whole clan. Your assumption on Mito marrying to Hashirama and teaching him seals is highly doubtful, due to the fact that Hashirama already had a scroll before the founding of the Village. Minato learned from Kushina, because there were no Uzumaki around.. Hashirama was already skilled before the creation of the village and was hailed as the strongest.

- I only made the thread to argue against Derp about his theory. But he decided to troll instead.


Obito stated Naruto carries the will of the Senju. So your trying to make the Uzumaki important. Even though they are portrayed to be only important because they are related to the Senju.


However, that was not any manipulation.

Heh, I don't know, that guy is proving your statements invalid and fraudulent. Let us see how this continues.

First, he must admit that he is KingHashirama, then I will debate

I see, I understand.

 

[Onion Soda]

3. I didn't get the meaning of the bolded part.

I'm saying both clans have things from the SO6P, but how come that the Uzumaki need the stone Uchihas got in order to undo death reaper seal, when is stated that the Uzumaki were friends with the Uchiha's greatest enemy.

 

[SilverSlick]

Honestly, I don't believe this to be KingHashirama based on Revan's stance on the Madara/Tobirama issue.

 

[foxyladyland]

go look at jerkinbuffalo2's thread at how rikudou sennin died

your name is so nasty wasty

I could've swear Mito looks like a Shinto Priestess:

Shinto Priestess is a "Miko" btw

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Miko Mito Lol

OMG she's so beautiful:ls:
I can be honest that I like to look at theories , but mine are better than everyone else's XD

 

[From the Dark Spire]

He's been spamming this thread the whole time.

I know.

1. Flame spikes don't make up the spiral however, you can see the spiral is even drown out with a white line.
3. I didn't get the meaning of the bolded part.



Are you asking me the question?

You have to be highly conceited to say they look alike.

Well there is a resemblence. Their posture, their outfits. It doesn't have to look IDENTICALLY the same, but the manga version is basically a reference to the real life culture version.

 

[LordRevan]

I'm saying both clans have things from the SO6P, but how come that the Uzumaki need the stone Uchihas got in order to undo death reaper seal, when is stated that the Uzumaki were friends with the Uchiha's greatest enemy.

That is a big assumption made by fans. Maybe Sasuke is going to read the Tablet himself? The clarification of the tablet is probably going to be revealed soon. But Orochimaru mentioned nothing about the tablet in his explanation.

I know.

Well there is a resemblence. Their posture, their outfits. It doesn't have to look IDENTICALLY the same, but the manga version is basically a reference to the real life culture version.

Only thing similar is their posture, and the style of the robes.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

1. Flame spikes don't make up the spiral however, you can see the spiral is even drown out with a white line.
3. I didn't get the meaning of the bolded part.



Are you asking me the question?

You have to be highly conceited to say they look alike.

And you have to be blind to deny the obvious that Mito is a priestess Lol

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[From the Dark Spire]

Nice.

-My point in bring sasuke's susano'o was to show that the closest resemblance to the statue spirals is that of Sasuke's amaterasu's/Susano'o technique. If you look closer the Amaterasu is not like the fire symbol you showed on Hinata. In fact it's end is on the side. And If the spirals are nothing, then it would just support me more. My point was to prove his theory wrong, or make him realize he needs more FIRM evidence.


- Yes I know of that Uchiha picture. But look at the Uchiha in the Senju vs Uchiha battle. Uchiha don't wear armor. And also, my mission was to negate Derp's point on them dressing like the SO6P and etc. Uzumaki only wear a SLIGHTER light armor.

- Hashirama Senju, represents the whole clan as their leader. The only way he can't be said to represent the Senju clan is for his Mokuton. Other then that, everything he is capable of doing can apply to the whole clan. Your assumption on Mito marrying to Hashirama and teaching him seals is highly doubtful, due to the fact that Hashirama already had a scroll before the founding of the Village. Minato learned from Kushina, because there were no Uzumaki around.. Hashirama was already skilled before the creation of the village and was hailed as the strongest.

- I only made the thread to argue against Derp about his theory. But he decided to troll instead.


Obito stated Naruto carries the will of the Senju. So your trying to make the Uzumaki important. Even though they are portrayed to be only important because they are related to the Senju.


However, that was not any manipulation.

Not any manipulation? How so? Remember, indeed his susanoo did possess amaterasu as an arrow variation and I understand the spiral appearence. But again, that's because of his enton ability. Itachi doesn't have blaze release, nor does madara. Sasuke has blaze release which is why he can manipulate the flames to wield it with susanoo.

 

[Aenigma]

Nice.

-My point in bring sasuke's susano'o was to show that the closest resemblance to the statue spirals is that of Sasuke's amaterasu's/Susano'o technique. If you look closer the Amaterasu is not like the fire symbol you showed on Hinata. In fact it's end is on the side. And If the spirals are nothing, then it would just support me more. My point was to prove his theory wrong, or make him realize he needs more FIRM evidence.

I'm not saying the spirals are nothing, but I'm just saying they could be. TBH this whole thread is a lot of "could be's", but moving on.

Thinking about, considering that the SO6P is the progenitor the Uchiha and the Senju, I think that seeing the spirals on the statue and then Sasuke's Ameterasu proves something, but if the evidence is taken the other way (and it could be, considering certain spirals on the statue look more like the Uzumaki symbol and some look more like Sasuke's Ameterasu. I'm not even gonna argue which of some quickly drawn spirals is correct at this point.) and Sage was an Uzumaki it doesn't really matter, because that would still make the Uchihas and the Senjus descendants of the Uzamakis. One thing I do agree with you on is that there needs to be more firm evidence. Derp can go very in depth and link many small things together and make them seem like a whole, but then again that is just one interpretation of certain small things that may or may not mean something. Even now like I've said before we're debating over trivial things.

- Yes I know of that Uchiha picture. But look at the Uchiha in the Senju vs Uchiha battle. Uchiha don't wear armor. And also, my mission was to negate Derp's point on them dressing like the SO6P and etc. Uzumaki only wear a SLIGHTER light armor.

I think the Uchiha not wearing a lot of armour in battle is due more to their fighting style than anything else. Anyway, I think this point of armour and clothing is stupid anyway, so moving on.

- Hashirama Senju, represents the whole clan as their leader. The only way he can't be said to represent the Senju clan is for his Mokuton. Other then that, everything he is capable of doing can apply to the whole clan. Your assumption on Mito marrying to Hashirama and teaching him seals is highly doubtful, due to the fact that Hashirama already had a scroll before the founding of the Village. Minato learned from Kushina, because there were no Uzumaki around.. Hashirama was already skilled before the creation of the village and was hailed as the strongest.

This is what I mostly disagree with you on. Hashirama is an example of what a Senju could be with full potential. But not all Senjus are Hashirama, obviously. Even his own brother Tobirama does not even come close to his level of power (as far as we know). Tobirama, the second strongest Senju, has not shown any sealing stuff either, and neither has any other members of the clan. They're said to be well versed in genjustu, ninjutsu, and taijutsu: the general ninja skills. To back this up, there's Hashi and Tobirama who are good at the first two things, and then Toka Senju who specialized in Genjutsu. It is never mentioned that there was anyone in the clan who specialized in fuinjutsu. Some, like Hashirama (who is just a jack of all trades lets be real), may have known it, although like I said there is really no evidence for this. The only clan really and undeiably stated to specialize in sealing is the Uzumakis. Again, a lot of Hashirama's power comes from that Scroll of Seals, however we still don't even know where that scroll comes from. It could be a Senju artifact, or it could be an Uzumaki thing. We just don't know, lol.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

See these:

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They're Oni Masks

And do you know who wears them in ceremonial dances/rituals?

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Shinto priests Lol

 

[ethan201222]

Everyone needs to get off Derp's ****, seriously, the guy can stand up for himself.

LordRevan, I skimmed through your OP and I haven't read enough to make up my own mind about it, but the hate you are getting is frankly pathetic, you're displaying a reasonable argument (From what I can gather) that no one appears to paying any attention to.

At any rate, all will be revealed in the Manga in time.

for real smh people are on that bandwagon

 

[CrimsonFire]

What a waste of time honestly xD

 

[Invsblphntm]

Man Tsunade could take out Obito if she really wanted too.... same with Jiraiya...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Man Tsunade could take out Obito if she really wanted too.... same with Jiraiya...

So says the OP aka KingHashirama KingMoron LordRevan Lol

 

[foxyladyland]

honestly his theories are pretty good, nobody has perfect theories all the time, but theories are kinda like
predictions waiting to be revealed with time in the manga.
They are theories, as in ideas brought about by thoughts on observations made from a subject..
Doesn't mean theyre fact, since they are just theories. I like theories. Mine are awesome. weeeeeeeeee