DerpObito, Uzumaki theory Refuted

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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[Onion Soda]

Didn't know this and he is closer to varrah than he is to me.

Anyway you guys need to chill, with these members.
Also these emoticons are ugly as hell. The blue guys look like smurfs and the onion people are just childish to the max.
Cringe worthy actually

That's why I make Soda out of them, I'm Gargamel's bro.

 

[LordRevan]

This site is a joke bro with teh new users.

Just Solo the site like many of use did back in the day! You dont have to be liked to get your point accross! Simply Make your point by telling it how it is! RNS

Well, I guess I got my point across. lol

 

[Aenigma]

Okay dude, this was all I was looking for, see it wasn't that hard. Anyway, now that you've got this, I'll try to counter it. Also, there's no need to say that we should not need the scans because we're already educated in the Manga. I basically already knew what images you were gonna pull, but sometimes it helps to actually see them rather than recall from memory. Also, this is not just for my sake, but for everyone viewing this thread, and obviously not everyone knows everything, so providing evidence is nice.

Sasuke's Amaterasu and SO6P's statue connection:
Statue:

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Amaterasu:

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As you can clearly see the upperright spiral on the Statue is similar to the Amaterasu swirl. In fact hence symbolizing the connection between the Uchiha and the SO6P.

Unlike the Uzumaki spiral:

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Okay, I can definitely see the similarity, but I can still see how similar the Uzumaki spiral is. Honestly, all three are very similar looking, and I don't think this argument is really gonna go anywhere, because both sides could be argued. The spirals on the statue are multiple, and some are like Sasuke's and some are like the Ameterasu. It could also be argued that the spirals on the statue are random, invalidating both comparisons.
To be honest, Sasuke's Ameterasu thing looks more like that symbol Hinata had on her coat in Part 1:

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Clothing:
Uchiha clans:

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SO6P's:

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Unlike the Uzumaki who wore armor:

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Yes, I can see the similarity now. However, just because they both wore a high collared cloak does not really mean anything. As you can see in the side by side comparison of SO6P and Minato, they're also very similar, but there is probably no relation there. It's already widely known that the Uchihas are the descendants of the SO6P, it could been seen that they would have somewhat similar clothing. However, saying that theirs is more similar than the Uzamakis doesn't really prove anything, because it has a right to be similar. What you're doing here is more proving the Uchihas relation less then disproving that of the Uzamakis.

About the Uzamakis wearing amour: Firstly, their armour was more light than that of the Senjus. Also, I think in that time armour was often just a given for many clans. Even the Uchihas who you're basing a lot on wore armour from time to time:

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Overall I don't think comparing clothing is really the best argument on either side, as it can change. It's just clothes, after all.

Sealings:


Uzumaki specialized a specific attribute of the Sage's. However, their cousin clan was more well-rounded.. but also did seals and possessed many scrolls :

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Actually saying the Senju were more well rounded is kind of a detriment to your theory. If they're well rounded, obviously they will know sealing, that's a given for being well rounded, not showing that they inherited something special. The fact that the Uzumaki's specialized in it, however, makes a clearer case for them. Most of your information on the Senju's sealing comes from one dude: Hashirama. He's clearly the best example of a Senju and you're using him to represent the whole clan (which is kind of inaccurate). You also forget that Hashirama was married to Mito, who was an Uzumaki with a lot of fuinjutsu knowledge. How much of this knowledge she imparted to him after they were married is unknown, but I suspect there is at least some connect between her and his sealing skills.

To be honest, dude, debating so much over something that is still mostly mere speculation is rather pointless, but you wanted a reply, so I'm trying to give you one.

Also...everyone else, is this thread really turning into some type of popularity contest?

 

[Micho22]

Honest question to LordRevan : Are you KinkHashirama ?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

That's why I make Soda out of them, I'm Gargamel's bro.

Smurftastic Lol

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[jerkinbuffalodic2]

go look at jerkinbuffalo2's thread at how rikudou sennin died

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Formulated from this thread the following:

- No point making a thread with proof, and thought in to it, and providing evidence
- When you ask for a debate.. you will only get trolls.
- Naruto discussion is not the same as it used to be in June - August 2012.



It is actually you who is making this thread famous for no reason.. when all I asked was a debate with DerpObito. Do you lack comprehension skills?

Did you even talk to him? Did he even accept the debate challenge you "issued"? Or did you just make the thread? Bop man. My comment makes no difference, this thread has already reached 100+ comments.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Formulated from this thread the following:

- No point making a thread with proof, and thought in to it, and providing evidence
- When you ask for a debate.. you will only get trolls.
- Naruto discussion is not the same as it used to be in June - August 2012.



It is actually you who is making this thread famous for no reason.. when all I asked was a debate with DerpObito. Do you lack comprehension skills?

You know something LordRevan. I actually agree with you when you say the naruto discussion is the same as it was last year. I'll agree with you. IT was especially better in 2011 as well.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Didn't know this and he is closer to varrah than he is to me.

Anyway you guys need to chill, with these members.
Also these emoticons are ugly as hell. The blue guys look like smurfs and the onion people are just childish to the max.
Cringe worthy actually

I agree. I miss the old emoticons.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You know something LordRevan. I actually agree with you when you say the naruto discussion is the same as it was last year. I'll agree with you. IT was especially better in 2011 as well.

Call him by his real account's name: KingHashirama :snick:

How can you even debate with someone who is even dishonest with his identity? xd

 

[From the Dark Spire]

1. Sasuke's Susano'o has a opening spiral, Uzumaki spiral is closed. Uzumaki spiral is non-existent in the pic.
2. Madara wore a armor after the Konoha's creation, where all clans like the Sarutobi, and akamichi and etc started wearing the Senju armor. Also, the color does not matter it is the clothing. So I have proven my point of the Uzumaki have no relation to the Sage's clothing ?

3. I never said they are equals. I said Hashirama has a scroll called "Scroll of Seals".. and I provide the other scrolls, because scrolls usually represent the Sealing jutsus.

Fair enough, but I mean I just don't really know if Sasuke's amaterasu spiral has any true relations to the sage's statue design. But considering Sasuke is also a descendent of the sage, just as Naruto is, it could be possible. But remember, the main reason I deny this, and I want you to remember this, is because of Sasuke's ENTON!

Remember, Sasuke can MANIPULATE the black flames. He can shape it however he like. So I think that it's coicendence.

 

[Honord Sage]

Point of Fact every major character in the Manga is stating Here and their things about the Uzumaki,Kishi taking through them has ben leaving close that a blind man can follow all leading to the Uzumaki only a close mind can deny this a mind that will not do His Homework and go page to page,Manga by Manga and come to the same logical conclusion,The SO6P was an Uzumaki and the Uzumaki in Naruto is the key to completing the final stages of the SO6P Plan of world Peace and Understanding.Kishi has made it clear everything revolves arrow n the Uzumaki.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

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Kinda pushing it now Obito. He did provide manga scans now, the time now has arrived to engage in his debate.

 

[LordRevan]

Okay, I can definitely see the similarity, but I can still see how similar the Uzumaki spiral is. Honestly, all three are very similar looking, and I don't think this argument is really gonna go anywhere, because both sides could be argued. It could also be argued that the spirals on the statue are random, invalidating both comparisons.
To be honest, Sasuke's Ameterasu thing looks more like that symbol Hinata had on her coat in Part 1:

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Yes, I can see the similarity now. However, just because they both wore a high collared cloak does not really mean anything. As you can see in the side by side comparison of SO6P and Minato, they're also very similar, but there is probably no relation there. It's already widely known that the Uchihas are the descendants of the SO6P, it could been seen that they would have somewhat similar clothing. However, saying that theirs is more similar than the Uzamakis doesn't really prove anything, because it has a right to be similar. What you're doing here is more proving the Uchihas relation less then disproving that of the Uzamakis.

About the Uzamakis wearing amour: Firstly, their armour was more light than that of the Senjus. Also, I think in that time armour was often just a given for many clans. Even the Uchihas who you're basing a lot on wore armour from time to time:

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Overall I don't think comparing clothing isn't really the best argument on either side, as it can change. It's just clothes, after all.


Actually saying the Senju were more well rounded is kind of a detriment to your theory. If they're well rounded, obviously they will know sealing, that's a given for being well rounded, not showing that they inherited something special. The fact that the Uzumaki's specialized in it, however, makes a clearer case for them. Most of your information on the Senju's sealing comes from one dude: Hashirama. He's clearly the best example of a Senju and you're using him to represent the whole clan (which is kind of inaccurate). You also forget that Hashirama was married to Mito, who was an Uzumaki with a lot of fuinjutsu knowledge. How much of this knowledge she imparted to him after they were married is unknown, but I suspect there is at least some connect between her and his sealing skills.

To be honest, dude, debating so much over something that is still mostly mere speculation is rather pointless, but you wanted a reply, so I'm trying to give you one.

Also...everyone else, is this thread really turning into some type of popularity contest?

Nice.

-My point in bring sasuke's susano'o was to show that the closest resemblance to the statue spirals is that of Sasuke's amaterasu's/Susano'o technique. If you look closer the Amaterasu is not like the fire symbol you showed on Hinata. In fact it's end is on the side. And If the spirals are nothing, then it would just support me more. My point was to prove his theory wrong, or make him realize he needs more FIRM evidence.


- Yes I know of that Uchiha picture. But look at the Uchiha in the Senju vs Uchiha battle. Uchiha don't wear armor. And also, my mission was to negate Derp's point on them dressing like the SO6P and etc. Uzumaki only wear a SLIGHTER light armor.

- Hashirama Senju, represents the whole clan as their leader. The only way he can't be said to represent the Senju clan is for his Mokuton. Other then that, everything he is capable of doing can apply to the whole clan. Your assumption on Mito marrying to Hashirama and teaching him seals is highly doubtful, due to the fact that Hashirama already had a scroll before the founding of the Village. Minato learned from Kushina, because there were no Uzumaki around.. Hashirama was already skilled before the creation of the village and was hailed as the strongest.

- I only made the thread to argue against Derp about his theory. But he decided to troll instead.

Point of Fact every major character in the Manga is stating Here and their things about the Uzumaki,Kishi taking through them has ben leaving close that a blind man can follow all leading to the Uzumaki only a close mind can deny this a mind that will not do His Homework and go page to page,Manga by Manga and come to the same logical conclusion,The SO6P was an Uzumaki and the Uzumaki in Naruto is the key to completing the final stages of the SO6P Plan of world Peace and Understanding.Kishi has made it clear everything revolves arrow n the Uzumaki.

Obito stated Naruto carries the will of the Senju. So your trying to make the Uzumaki important. Even though they are portrayed to be only important because they are related to the Senju.

Fair enough, but I mean I just don't really know if Sasuke's amaterasu spiral has any true relations to the sage's statue design. But considering Sasuke is also a descendent of the sage, just as Naruto is, it could be possible. But remember, the main reason I deny this, and I want you to remember this, is because of Sasuke's ENTON!

Remember, Sasuke can MANIPULATE the black flames. He can shape it however he like. So I think that it's coicendence.

However, that was not any manipulation.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Kinda pushing it now Obito. He did provide manga scans now, the time now has arrived to engage in his debate.

First, he must admit that he is KingHashirama, then I will debate

 

[Onion Soda]

1. Sasuke's Susano'o has a opening spiral, Uzumaki spiral is closed. Uzumaki spiral is non-existent in the pic.
2. Madara wore a armor after the Konoha's creation, where all clans like the Sarutobi, and akamichi and etc started wearing the Senju armor. Also, the color does not matter it is the clothing. So I have proven my point of the Uzumaki have no relation to the Sage's clothing ?

3. I never said they are equals. I said Hashirama has a scroll called "Scroll of Seals".. and I provide the other scrolls, because scrolls usually represent the Sealing jutsus.

1)Both had the same spiral but reversal, or the way you call it one is opening and the other closing, that's why I said they're like mirrored. Down-left spiral. We could argue forever about that point, but the way I saw is this. If you say that spiral isn't a proper Uzumaki one, I may say the same about Susano'o since it has some flame spikes (don't know how to call it, I don't speak english).

3)Yes senju have something from SO6P, so the Uchiha with the stone needed for Unseal an specific Uzumaki seal. I don't see your point in this one.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Who else seems to put :] on every sentence...?


Are you fuccing kidding me...?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Who else seems to put :] on every sentence...?


Are you fuccing kidding me...?

KingHashirama does xd

 

[Strawberry]

At most Uzamaki wud be a decendant of uchiha or senju uzumaki don't show any resemblence so they must have been mating with other clans if they have any relation to the sage