DemonicAvenger and KidGamer65's Official Top Ten

[TheEvilOne]

Hashirama could break Oro's restraint ONLY BECAUSE Orochimaru let them do what they wanted to. A simple Fuda to Hashi's head and he's Oro's puppet once again.

And weak as ****.

 

[AlphaScythian]

You must be one die hard obito fanboy. Out of all the other things you could be arguing, you're arguing about obito being stronger than the main character and his side kick :|

Atm they are stronger just cuz obito lost his power and is near death.
What im arguing is the simple fact that juubi less hogoromo gave half of his power to each yet each would be stronger then juubi jin who already wielded senju and uchiha powers on top?

That simply makes no sense.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Atm they are stronger just cuz obito lost his power and is near death.
What im arguing is the simple fact that juubi less hogoromo gave half of his power to each yet each would be stronger then juubi jin who already wielded senju and uchiha powers on top?

That simply makes no sense.

Juubi-less Rikudou gave a powerup to a guy who has all 9 components of the juubi(the bijuu) and access to the power of nature.
Too bad it's not up to you. Naruto already smacked a juubi jin and he wasn't in his final form.

Spoiler

Exert of Juubi Jin Naruto

How? Well simple; Naruto already has all the 9 chakra which make up the juubi. The real purpose of the masu is to act as a body of a new beast created entirely from the chakra of 9 other's. By creating this new beast, the sealer is able to seal 1 entity into their body instead of needing to seal 9 separate ones(if that's even possible) or yanking/receiving chakra from the 9 individual beasts.
Don't get me wrong, It's entirely possible that naruto will have a severely watered down version of the juubi due to only possessing pieces of chakra, from each beast, instead of the entire beast. However, It isn't outside the realm of possibility that sealing the 9 beasts, in yourself, instead of sealing the maso containing them, will give an even greater boost. This is possible due to the fact that the masu, as a different entity, has a different mindset than the other bijuu. In that, the masu(juubi) creates resistance and, like all the other beasts, tries to fight being sealed. This 'resistance' is increased hundreds of folds for the exponential power increase received. For naruto, to seal the juubi in himself would result in a similar issue to what juubito experienced. However, by sealing the 9 individual beasts, and bypassing the masu, naruto only has to account for the summation of the resistance of the 9 individual beasts. Not only is that resistance spread out but, by this point, there's none. Naruto's friends with all those beasts; They'd all be in unanimous agreement to partner up with him.
Essentially, This method replaces the masu with the body of the sealer. In effect, the sealer himself is potentially the juubi.

 

[AlphaScythian]

That's just your assumption with nothing to back it.
-Madara already said its Naruto's strength alone that pushed him back, not the fact that he wasn't injured.
Him not fully recovering isn't relevant as per Madara's sattement.

That pushed back is simply retarded arguments, obito was pushed back as well.
You state it like juubi jins are immovable U_U

Did he move toward Madara so quickly that he couldn't react? No. So that is unrelated to Naruto almost blitzing Madara.

Yes he did. Or the punch isnt a movement now? Where did all juubi reaction and sensing go? Element of surprise i guess.

Its irrelevant what you think would cut it down. The whole SA was trying to cut it down, but they couldn't. Naruto uses one jutsu, and bisects it. (Not to mention its the most massive thing in height and width that we've seen in this manga so far. A regular PS slash isn't going to do shit to it nor will a giant FRS.

FRS naruto used here was much smaller then the other he has made.
Just cuz no one aimed at it b4 doesnt mean it wouldnt go down. If smaller FRS does the job so would do bigger variants naruto made w/o power up.

Madara is much stronger than Obito. Madara was much stronger than him before even becoming the Jin, so he'd be stronger than him after getting more Bijuus than Obito had as the Jin.

Nothing but your own assumption. Obito could easily give madara run for his money, arrogance isnt power.
Shall we recall who had stronger chakra?

He got a power up from Rikudo and the Bijuu.

He didnt use bijus, half power of juubi less hagoromo shouldnt be enough to blitz juubi jins.

Nothing implied that it made a difference, in fact Madara implied the opposite. So there is no difference, and Madara was much stronger than Pre Jin Obito.

How convenient, wasnt madara stronger cuz he had more complete bijus then obito?
If it works that way then it works backwards too. Hypocrisy on your part i guess.

I don't care what you want to call it, a weaker attack did more damage to Obito than a stronger attack did to Madara. Meaning he is much more durable.

What are you nuts? There barely was a damage.

Getting cut across your side doesn't mean you got bisected. Go look at the next chapter and tell me that he was bisected so I can laugh at you.

O yeah, naruto and sasuke quickly flew a circle around obito, they didnt bisect him, and the bursting out chakra in one direction is a result of minor cuts in front, right? U_U

Wrong. There is no minor edge.

The edge is only in difference of complete bijus. Obito had 7.2 and madara 8.5 so 15% more power madara had.
Madara so called stronger base plays no role here, the juubi power is such it just erases such small differences.
Ever heard of kaguya's taijutsu or any particular skill she had?

Madara is way above Obito. Madara was way above Obito before even getting the Juubi, and was way above Jin Obito after getting the Juubi, and now he's way way above Jin Obito after absorbing the Shinju.

Blah blah blah, as if they fought. You claim madara was always tiers above obito yet you dismiss the fact the near dead obito stole chakra from juubi madara.
There is no evidence of base madara being stronger then obito, the only thing madara has going for him in base is better shunshin while obito simply displayed none.

Juubi-less Rikudou gave a powerup to a guy who has all 9 components of the juubi(the bijuu) and access to the power of nature.
Too bad it's not up to you. Naruto already smacked a juubi jin and he wasn't in his final form.

Spoiler

Exert of Juubi Jin Naruto

Obito proved that its mere question of a skill and having bijus chakra to wield sage's senjutsu when he stole chakra from madara while not even needing all 9 bijuus to form onmyudon.

It's simply called sage's senjutsu now.
Some pretty resistance words from nobody dont convince anybody.

 

[the voice]

Lol this obito fan though

 

[Rike Senju]

Hashirama could break Oro's restraint ONLY BECAUSE Orochimaru let them do what they wanted to. A simple Fuda to Hashi's head and he's Oro's puppet once again.

Lol and then they become crappy puppets. If we are using characters how they were at the manga, the edos will be summoned without tags, making them more trouble than help. But let's say he summons them tagged. His skill is inferior to kabuto's meaning his edos will be crap without a conscience.

 

[Disquiet]

As sooooo many others have said (I think the majority of those who have posted said it? lol), it's weird to see the same character listed more than once.

 

[Trollasaur]

and this is mine:

1. Kagyua Ootsutsuki/ Ten tails Host Hagoromo Ootsutsuki
2. Shinjuu absorbed Ten tails host Madara
3. Ten tails Host Madara
4. Ten tails host Obito v2
5. Ten tails less Hagoromo Ootsutsuki
6. Naruto/Sasuke /8th Gate Gai [weakened Ten tails host Madara/Hagoromo's brother]
7. Ten tails host Obito v1 [SM Rinnegan Madara]
8, Ashura/Indra
9. SM Hashirama [BSM Naruto, Kabuto with ET, Orochimaru with ET]
10. EMS Sasuke [BM Naruto/EMS Madara]

Dude stop with the fanboying, Kaguya shitstomps the sage the sage himself said that.

 

[Trollasaur]

You must be one die hard obito fanboy. Out of all the other things you could be arguing, you're arguing about obito being stronger than the main character and his side kick :|

I'm pretty sure Obito could be stronger than Sauske and Naruto.

It's debatable.

 

[KidGamer65]

That pushed back is simply retarded arguments, obito was pushed back as well.
You state it like juubi jins are immovable U_U

Lol? Do you even know what "pushed back" refers to? Pushed back means Naruto was beating him, not that he was literally pushing him back..lmao.

Yes he did. Or the punch isnt a movement now? Where did all juubi reaction and sensing go? Element of surprise i guess.

Did Obito move toward Madara like Naruto moved toward him? No. I'm not interested in a hand movement toward Madara. I'm only interested in Shunshin here, and Naruto Shunshin blitzed a faster Obito, so Obito is slower than them both, and will get blitzed as well. Obito shoving his hand in Madara's chest before he could do anything doesn't mean that he can Shunshin blitz him, or that he's too fast for Madara to react to.

Also, element of surprise doesn't mean shit here since Naruto jumped at Madara,

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Meaning he wasn't surprised.

FRS naruto used here was much smaller then the other he has made.
Just cuz no one aimed at it b4 doesnt mean it wouldnt go down. If smaller FRS does the job so would do bigger variants naruto made w/o power up.

Lol, no. The explosion of this FRS was much bigger as it cut the whole of the Shinju. [

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] The fact you are using this shit logic amazes me, considering a Yoton RS is going to be stronger than a standard FRS, since a Yoton RS is the same as FRS, but plus Yoton chakra.

A weaker FRS isn't going to do what it took a stronger FRS to do.

Nothing but your own assumption. Obito could easily give madara run for his money, arrogance isnt power.
Shall we recall who had stronger chakra?

I'm glad you played this card. Then since you made the assertion that Obito and Madara are near each other in strength, go get me proof. Cause I already have proof for my main claims, and overall strength isn't even one of them.

He didnt use bijus, half power of juubi less hagoromo shouldnt be enough to blitz juubi jins.

-Used Son Goku's chakra.

-Was in Bijuu Sage Mode with no Avatar.

But he wasn't using the power of the Bijuu? Lol, you are obviously wrong.

Too bad, it was.

How convenient, wasnt madara stronger cuz he had more complete bijus then obito?
If it works that way then it works backwards too. Hypocrisy on your part i guess.

If you aren't going to show me Madara being massively weakened to an extent where you could notice a difference, then don't bother replying with this part.

What are you nuts? There barely was a damage.

Keep denying the manga. [

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O yeah, naruto and sasuke quickly flew a circle around obito, they didnt bisect him, and the bursting out chakra in one direction is a result of minor cuts in front, right? U_U

The edge is only in difference of complete bijus. Obito had 7.2 and madara 8.5 so 15% more power madara had.
Madara so called stronger base plays no role here, the juubi power is such it just erases such small differences.
Ever heard of kaguya's taijutsu or any particular skill she had?

So if Itachi became the Juubi's Jin he'd be as strong as Madara? Lmao...log out for this nonsense. Taijutsu is irrelevant to my point as I'm talking about OVERALL STRENGTH. Not interested in arguing with you over Madara and Obito's overall strength's anyway.

-Madara has proven to be more durable than Obito.

-Madara has proven to be faster than Obito.

-Madara was stated to be stronger than Obito (Pre Shinju absorption)

-Naruto almost blitzed Madara, so he'd blitz the much slower Obito.

-Naruto dealt heavy damage to Madara, so he'd kill the much less durable Obito.

-Naruto was beating someone stronger than Obito, so he'd defeat Obito too.


Simple logic pal. Naruto shits on Obito as well.

Blah blah blah, as if they fought. You claim madara was always tiers above obito yet you dismiss the fact the near dead obito stole chakra from juubi madara.

That doesn't mean anything. Stealing chakra isn't relative to his strength.

There is no evidence of base madara being stronger then obito, the only thing madara has going for him in base is better shunshin while obito simply displayed none.

Never said Base Madara was stronger than Base Obito (Even though its true) so I'm not going to bother replying to this part.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Obito proved that its mere question of a skill and having bijus chakra to wield sage's senjutsu when he stole chakra from madara while not even needing all 9 bijuus to form onmyudon.

It's simply called sage's senjutsu now.
Some pretty resistance words from nobody dont convince anybody.

Because obito would have pulled that off if madara didn't think he'd reach out to grab his hand.
Because obito would have pulled that off if madara knew how kamui worked.
Because obito would have pulled that off if madara tugged back on the chakra.

Because that has remotely anything to do with naruto who has PErfect SM + 9 bijuu's chakra and abilities + Ashura's chakra + a power boost from a guy who created the moon on his death bed. Obito isn't even in the same league.

I'm pretty sure Obito could be stronger than Sauske and Naruto.

It's debatable.

I'm pretty sure it's not. But obito fanboys think he can beat everyone in MS form, so i'm not even surprised.

 

[GeneralOuki]

Flawed list is flawed.

 

[Trollasaur]

Because obito would have pulled that off if madara didn't think he'd reach out to grab his hand.
Because obito would have pulled that off if madara knew how kamui worked.
Because obito would have pulled that off if madara tugged back on the chakra.

Because that has remotely anything to do with naruto who has PErfect SM + 9 bijuu's chakra and abilities + Ashura's chakra + a power boost from a guy who created the moon on his death bed. Obito isn't even in the same league.


I'm pretty sure it's not. But obito fanboys think he can beat everyone in MS form, so i'm not even surprised.

Obito in MS form can pretty much beat anyone who is slower than him.

Obito in MS looses to Naruto and Sauske btw.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Anybody else wanna cry about multiple versions? :vincent:​

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[Gaara Of The Death]

I wouldn't put some many versions of the same person but nice. Btw Hashirama>BSM Naruto.​

 

[A v i]

Anybody else wanna cry about multiple versions? :vincent:​

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It is kinda lame and is not necessary if you ask me.Whatever,it is your list so I don't have a problem.

OT:
1.You guys should have mentioned about Asura and Indra.You probably would have explained why you didn't put them but I don't have enough time to read the whole thread.

2.I think Obito is above Naruto and Sasuke,that's my opinion though.

3.Kabuto with EDO Tensei should be above BSM Naruto and same goes for BM Minato and SM Hashirama.

 

[shelke]

Anybody else wanna cry about multiple versions? :vincent:​

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Since everyone has cried about that, I need to cry about something else - why have you slinked Naruto past Sasuke?

 

[Nagato The Sage]

Kabuto with Edo's >>>> BSM Naruto.

 

[Velencia]

alright list