democracy something thingie for battle arena rules
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LMAO!!!
"yes there should be democracy" is what I voted for but...This isnt my house!! im a guest here and will always be... one of the family... But you dont walk into someone's house and say Narh I dont want to take my shoes off. I'll leave mine on... you shouldnt have your TV in the living room lets put it in the Dinner room so we can eat and watch at the same time!
Im straight up... my house my rules!!! THANK YOU!
Neutrino00
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I am mostly in the battle arena and roleplaying sections but i am also sort of in all of the sections.
As you can probably predict Neutrino00 I am against this as I am against most things that are made into rules that involve battling. Because everyone should use their judgment on what their character is capable of pulling off or not. Such as if the character is a Gennin then there is no feasible way that they would be able to pull off an S-Rank jutsu without the training and the tutoring of a Sensei that knows that Jutsu (Like Kakashi teach Sasuke Chidori or Jiraiya teaching Naruto Rasengan)
Changing rules every 1 or 2 weeks would confuse more than it would help and in the end it would cause more chaos than benefit. Because no matter how much you change the rules and no matter how much you try to make others happy there will still be that one person that will not be satisfied with them.
You can't honestly say there would be no room for corruption because there is always corruption when it involves rules because eventually the one making the rules will get annoyed and say fine this person and that person can't have the same style techniques. So thus ending in corruption because it would be the benefactor to one person.
If you look into what you said you contradict yourself with 3 and 4 because that would be far beyond corruption if you try to give one person extra power. So it would end up mattering more than you think because like my character if I went with everything that has happened to him he would be the most overpowered s.o.b. on the forums because he has EMS, Ice Element, the 5 basic elements, 5-tailed Bijuu, Earth Curse Seal, but I choose not to let him have all of that all he has is the EMS, Ice, and the elements. I rarely use my EMS until I am put into a predicament where its either activate it or get killed. Outside of that I rely on my strategic thinking.
For 5, don't make me laugh so hard. We are always stressed when we are doing our job because we have to watch for spammers and people that have nothing better to do with their lives than go and complain about the smallest little problems they have about the mod team that being *cough* you *cough*. The rules that are made we don't go with what one person says we make fair judgment in the rules that are made. Yes there will always be someone who wont be 100% with them but that is predicable to happen because not every one will be happy with rules.
Neutrino00
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most of what you said was twisting my words!
1)i said every 1-2 month's NOT every 1-2 weeks, and this can be discussed and comprimised so that it is better
2)what i meant by eliminating the thought that the mod's and people who created the rules are corrupt, this way there will be a vote so that hte most popular vote is accepted.
3)I did not contradict myself with 3 and 4
4)if you want to be able to have everything your charactor has went through then you can submit that as one of the possible rules, which would then be voted on.
5)yes I know that there will be someone who doesn't agree 100% with the rules, but it will be democracy so the rules that is most popular and with the most support will be accepted, so it will be more fair, then just having the mod's create 1 set of rules that MOST people are against and hate.
1)i said every 1-2 month's NOT every 1-2 weeks, and this can be discussed and comprimised so that it is better
2)what i meant by eliminating the thought that the mod's and people who created the rules are corrupt, this way there will be a vote so that hte most popular vote is accepted.
3)I did not contradict myself with 3 and 4
4)if you want to be able to have everything your charactor has went through then you can submit that as one of the possible rules, which would then be voted on.
5)yes I know that there will be someone who doesn't agree 100% with the rules, but it will be democracy so the rules that is most popular and with the most support will be accepted, so it will be more fair, then just having the mod's create 1 set of rules that MOST people are against and hate.
Neutrino00
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You see unlike some of the other mod's here Neutrino I am the one who can be more understandable than the other's but I am also one of the types of mod's you looks into every aspect of a situation and can tell whats wrong with something and whats not and all I see here is a huge mess of problems because having to do and re-do and re-do and re-do the rules over and over and over again will only cause trouble and headaches across the board like no tomorrow.
One thing you cannot do is go and say voting would not be corrupt on the forums because I know from experience that it is more corrupt than having a set of rules that are made and judged upon by the faculty of the forums. Back when we had the first Kage elections in May which is before your time here the polls and voting for that got so corrupted it wasn't funny because there would be one person who would go and vote for one thing then go on their other accounts and vote for that same thing or got people who had no idea what it was about to vote for that one thing. Thus ending in....whats the word I am looking for oh thats right CORRUPTION.
Yes you did contradict yourself with three and four because allowing one person to get overpowered is corruption. Because I know exactly who you are thinking of get away with that, and I have already proven to that person it is impossible to have all those things done to you without yourself internally combusting or as a matter of fact going boom with and over load of chakra.
So before you go and make such a bold suggestion and calling people corrupt look threw your plan thoroughly and look at all the problems that will happen. If you try and say there isn't any problems with this idea of yours then I will be right here proving you wrong and showing you the flaws and defects of them.
SAKumono26
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Neutrino00
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well if it meant being over corrupted, then people would not vote for it. and if people go on different accounts and vote for it, then we could like probably somehow make it so someone like the admins could check who voted, and then do IP check, and i wasn't just calling people corrupt, i was just saying that this would eliminate the thought that people were corrupt, whethor they were or not.
and the so called confusion that you are saying will happen from redoing the rules, it won't be redone like everyday it will only be redone every long while, so it isn't constantly changing.
And where did i say this would be the final set of rules for this.
like an anomynous person who messaged me said, it is a good idea, but could use some tweeking. this set of rules could be developed from different peoples ideas and made into a final version.
and the so called confusion that you are saying will happen from redoing the rules, it won't be redone like everyday it will only be redone every long while, so it isn't constantly changing.
And where did i say this would be the final set of rules for this.
like an anomynous person who messaged me said, it is a good idea, but could use some tweeking. this set of rules could be developed from different peoples ideas and made into a final version.
Thats the thing if the thread is made as a pole thread and not made so that people can see who voted where then it makes it next to impossible to find out who voted where but you would also be able to tell such as if there were more negative comments than positive comments about that one certain thing and there were more positive vote than negative votes for that same exact thing then it is corrupt and wouldn't be able to figure out who did it in the end. So that kind of search is very unreliable.
That is still the confusion aspect of the hole ordeal, it will still be re-done the rules have been done and redone 3 maybe 5 times since I have been here on my original account Yamato057 and I don't fallow any of them because of the amount they have been re-done and I know inevitably they will be re-done again so I use MY fair judgment in what my character would be able to pull off with out dang near killing himself
Neutrino00
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well we can always fix my suggestion, to cover up that flaw. for example we could do an anomymous poll, and make it so whoever votes says "I VOTED" and then we would take the total number of votes, and do IP checks on the people who said "I VOTED" then if the numbers don't equal then that means someone went onto a different account and voted twice. and if that happens we can like redo the poll so it is public. and that would fix the problem with that.
but like i said we can still redo this
but like i said we can still redo this
Neutrino00
Banned
Yes I guessed it was you, thank you, i can't believe you actually gave a rep lol. it also got's me wondering about something.
Neutrino00
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That's the problem there will be those who don't post "I Voted", and if that happens and you go and re-do the poll then the same thing happens and you will end in an endless cycle and nothing will be accomplished and nothing will be done so as I said earlier on Poll threads like that are the corruption not when someone makes the rules then the mod's go over them
Neutrino00
Banned
well if you redo the poll, you would redo it as a public poll, which would then have the IP check. and it could be stated near the begginning that you must post "I VOTED" and that would be one of the rules, which would be made mandatory.
and like i said I mean the THOUGHT when someone makes the rules then the mod's go over them is corruption(which i do believe is corruption in a way) and my way will sort of remove that corruption.
and also technically you can actually submit the rule, where people make the rules then the mod's go over it, and if there is enough people who vote for it then it will be made one of the rules, so it is technically possible to have what I want, and what you want to be made the rules at the same timeXD
and like i said there is the possibility that someone comes up with an idea that cover's these flaws and the entire rules for the democratic system get changed, and then the flaws you mentioned would be no more, and both me and you would be happy(unless you just want power) but you get the point.
and like i said I mean the THOUGHT when someone makes the rules then the mod's go over them is corruption(which i do believe is corruption in a way) and my way will sort of remove that corruption.
and also technically you can actually submit the rule, where people make the rules then the mod's go over it, and if there is enough people who vote for it then it will be made one of the rules, so it is technically possible to have what I want, and what you want to be made the rules at the same timeXD
and like i said there is the possibility that someone comes up with an idea that cover's these flaws and the entire rules for the democratic system get changed, and then the flaws you mentioned would be no more, and both me and you would be happy(unless you just want power) but you get the point.
I'm gonna remember youi disagree :|
if that happened it would cause a lot of noobs to become ultra powerful with no work at all.
just let the mods do their thang, it always works for the best of any outcome
well nautrino i have to say i appreciate the fact that u thought about us mods and realized its stressful to please everyone sometimes but then again thats why we became mods, im not against your suggestion but im not for it either as i stated last night, i think this will get us no where because it will drag along for to long and arguments will happen anyways^^
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