Deidara shall earn the victory. However, condition are: Edo Tensei [Restricted] and Clay [Deidara must have a reasonable amount of clay]. Only possible way I can see the Sannin winning is simply by running away and outlasting Deidara but then that's just cowardice behavior; not a fight.
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Would love to assist but assistance is not needed and my "helping" wouldn't do much either way.
ah so, what infact u want is people posting scans..
U know all to well sannins beat Deidara low diff but because no1 here is stupid enough to post scans to prove u wrong u think u are automatically right.
U dont wanna debate anything, u just wanna feel superior and u know no1 will try and debate this thing for real and everyone will take this as a joke (and right they are).
u are pathetic.
Yes... he dont wanna debate Deidara vs The Sannin... if u read his posts and his way how he answers "treats" people its all to clear.
What he wants is to boost his ego, the point he is truly trying to make is how people put up no arguments and only post "Sannin wins" or Itachi solo's so he can feel "better" then the persons who posted that
He should make a thread about that instead of putting it in this "lying jacket" just so he himself can feel better in this already laughable match up.
I dont like people who deceive others
No. He is getting mad because no one actually wants to post a valid argument as to why the Sannin win. Only one guy posted an argument and what did Proof do? He countered it with his own argument. It should be clear that he is looking for a debate.
ah so, what infact u want is people posting scans..
U know all to well sannins beat Deidara low diff but because no1 here is stupid enough to post scans to prove u wrong u think u are automatically right.
U dont wanna debate anything, u just wanna feel superior with an argument u know nobody will take serieus and u know no1 will try and debate this thing for real and everyone will take this as a joke (and right they are).
u are pathetic.
yes .. he wants to get mad, Deidara vs sannin's is totally irrelevant in this thread, he is only trying to prove his own self right by using other people.
No. He just wished to debate for Deidara in a Deidara vs Sannin thread. However, no one actually posted an argument and called him a Deidara fanboy or whatever or said that the Sannin stomp. He got mad because of that.
Ok. Let's start.
I'm not gonna post scans of everything since it'd take too much space, but all I write is manga based.
1. About the starting conditions.
Since this fight starts at 25m distance with nothing out, it gives the Sannin massive advantage over Deidara, immediately forcing him to play defensively.Manga intel works in favor of the trio as well, since Deidara is a missing nin and an Akatsuki member - that means that out of 3, at least Tsunade has all the knowledge about him and his techniques that's contained in all Konoha reports.
Moreover, Orochimaru had Kabuto to spy for him in the Akatsuki through his connections with Sasori, what combined with Deidara being Sasori's partner, gives him massive intel advantage.Moreover, this fight takes place in an open field, which means fooling the Sannin with clones or dodging their attacks WHILE having to focus on molding chakra will be much more difficult.
2. Dealing with Deidara before he even manages to fly off the ground.
While I agree that Tsunade would have trouble catching Deidara due to lower speed and lack of
ranged techniques, Orochimaru and Jiraya can easily pull that off.
Tsunade, in the meantime, provides backup, observes the situation and can prepare a sneak
attack on Deidara due to him being distracted by 2 other opponents.
Jiraya's Swamp of the underworld technique in drugged state managed to cover an area of ~30m
in length and width and took place almost instantly.
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Now let's take look at Orochimaru's speed feats and ranged/far-reaching techniques.
Evidence 1.
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Evidence 2.
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Evidence 3.
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Evidence 4.
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Evidence 5.
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*Now his long ranged/far-reaching techniques - evidence 4 and 5, apart from speed feats
present his long ranged techniques as well.*
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Evidence 8.
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3. Assuming that Deidara SOMEHOW manages to fly off.
I believe that it's not even getting to this stage, but to prove that Deidara doesn't win at any conditions I'm going to cover this thing as well. We all know Deidara's fight with Sasuke. We all know his fighting style - while flying, he keeps only as much distance as he considers enough to be safe.
In the previous point I've already presented long ranged techniques in Oro's arsenal.
Both Tsunade and Jiraya also possess ability to somehow reach him while flying.
Tsunade by simply jumping VERY high as shown in the Sannin fight and Jiraya through fire/hair techniques. Though they may be not enough to easily hit him, they give Orochimaru enough time to do his job with either snakes or Kusanagi, considering that Deidara HAS to play defensively and that his reaction feats in 1vs1 fights aren't that impressive, not to mention defending against 3 Kage level shinobi.
4. Dealing with bombs.
It isn't as difficult as it may seem.Firstly, he needs time to prepare them. More or less, it doesn't matter. There's no talking here and waiting to see what he's doing. They have intel on Deidara and on his fighting style, so staying on his back is the best way
to win. Deidara isn't immune to his own explosions so he has to be cautious not to hurt himself as well. Smaller bombs - the easiest ones to create - can be easily blown away with Orochimaru's Fuuton, while a single mid-close ranged contact leaves Deidara vulnerable to Temporary Paralysis technique, which even though getting dispelled quickly, still gives some valuable time of him being paralysed.
5. C4.
Seriously... He is not even using that.Forming C4 took Deidara more than 3 whole manga pages. He's getting killed even before he can spit that out. BUT, even if he SOMEHOW managed to form and use C4, with intel, which the Sannin obviously have, they can easily survive it.
(*)Let's start with Orochimaru.
*Firstly, we all know that one needs to INHALE them nano bombs for it to even take effect.
With Soft Physique he can simply move out of the C4 aoe by simply following Deidara, because he needs to avoid their effect as well.
*What is more, if that doesn't work out, he can simply use his Attack Prevention technique to simply merge with a tree or any other object or even use Zetsu's merging techniques (but that's not even needed, since he can do similar things without Zetsu cells).
*Again, as seen in manga, Orochimaru can recreate his whole body from within anything that contains at least a little bit of his chakra and consciousnes - first evidence is him being revived from his Cursed Seal, and the second one is him trying to escape with 3 small snakes after having his (almost) whole body and chakra sealed by Totsuka.
Thereby, nothing stops him from leaving some snakes around just in case.
(*) Jiraya might have problems with survivng that, but that's where Tsunade comes in.
*She claimed herself that she could turn her chakra into electricity and send electric waves at least through human body. It's more than enough to nullify C4's nano bombs effect from both J-man and herself.Apart from that, C4 seems not to have any effect on the surroundings - trees, ground, etc. remained untouched.
5. Conclusion.
As you can see, Tsunade is not even using Byakugo, J-man is not using SM.But they could. And they could also use summonnings. But these are not needed.Sound genjutsu used by Ma and Pa, while riding on Orochimaru's neck could do the job as well.There are tons of possibilities, while Deidara getting cornered with every seconds needs to focus on defense rather than on offense, considering that his justu can harm himself as well.
There's no way Deidara wins this. The only thing that's debatable is how long he says alive. And considering that his explosive techniques are chakra demanding and that he himself said that by getting lower on his reserves his ability to
mold chakra decreases - the Sannin can easily (but IMO this fight is not even reaching that stage) outlast him.
Moreover, people are severely underrating what a team can do. Avoiding attacks coming from 1 Kage level shinobi is hard and requires a lot of concentration. Surviving against 3 is out of Deidara's league.
Since this fight starts at 25m distance with nothing out, it gives the Sannin massive advantage over Deidara, immediately forcing him to play defensively.Manga intel works in favor of the trio as well, since Deidara is a missing nin and an Akatsuki member - that means that out of 3, at least Tsunade has all the knowledge about him and his techniques that's contained in all Konoha reports.
Moreover, Orochimaru had Kabuto to spy for him in the Akatsuki through his connections with Sasori, what combined with Deidara being Sasori's partner, gives him massive intel advantage.Moreover, this fight takes place in an open field, which means fooling the Sannin with clones or dodging their attacks WHILE having to focus on molding chakra will be much more difficult.
Eh, Kakashi and the rest that was a part of the Gaara rescue mission only know a little about Deidara. All they've seen is C1 so they have no knowledge on C2 nor C4. And Kabuto did spy on Sasori, yes, but as far as we know he doesn't have knowledge about Deidara's C levels.
2. Dealing with Deidara before he even manages to fly off the ground.
While I agree that Tsunade would have trouble catching Deidara due to lower speed and lack of
ranged techniques, Orochimaru and Jiraya can easily pull that off.
Tsunade, in the meantime, provides backup, observes the situation and can prepare a sneak
attack on Deidara due to him being distracted by 2 other opponents.
Jiraya's Swamp of the underworld technique in drugged state managed to cover an area of ~30m
in length and width and took place almost instantly.
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Now let's take look at Orochimaru's speed feats and ranged/far-reaching techniques.
Evidence 1.
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Evidence 2.
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Evidence 3.
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Evidence 4.
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Evidence 5.
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*Now his long ranged/far-reaching techniques - evidence 4 and 5, apart from speed feats
I'll have to disagree with this. Deidara has shown speed feats that imply he can get on a Clay Bird rather easily. He
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, which happens to have four members and not three, and all of their members except Tenten are masters at Taijutsu. If people like that didn't manage to blitz Deidara, I find it hard to believe that the Sannin could pull it off. Not to mention that
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. He also
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, and look at how high he jumped,
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. Anyways, Deidara doesn't have to rely on his speed in order to get away from the Sannin. He can simply make
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which means that the Sannin won't be able to see him anymore. In the smoke cloud, Deidara can simply make a Clay Clone while
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. Once he does this, the Clay Clone will emerge from the smoke cloud and try to run away from the Sannin which would of course try to chase him down thus giving Deidara more than enough time to fly up. Of course, if the Sannin try to chase down the Clay Clone,
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and
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that
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so
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. Now, this is all the hard way for Deidara to get on his Clay Bird. The easier way would be just jumping and
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. Let's not forget that while on the ground,
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. After that, all Dei has to say is ''Katsu'' and both of them would be in pieces.
3. Assuming that Deidara SOMEHOW manages to fly off.
I believe that it's not even getting to this stage, but to prove that Deidara doesn't win at
any conditions I'm going to cover this thing as well.
We all know Deidara's fight with Sasuke. We all know his fighting style - while flying, he
keeps only as much distance as he considers enough to be safe.
In the previous point I've already presented long ranged techniques in Oro's arsenal.
Both Tsunade and Jiraya also possess ability to somehow reach him while flying.
Tsunade by simply jumping VERY high as shown in the Sannin fight and Jiraya through fire/hair
techniques. Though they may be not enough to easily hit him, they give Orochimaru enough time to do his
job with either snakes or Kusanagi, considering that Deidara HAS to play defensively and that
his reaction feats in 1vs1 fights aren't that impressive, not to mention defending against 3 Kage level shinobi.
This would be nice if Deidara actually didn't respond. Like you said,
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. Now if either they summon something big or Tsunade tries to jump or if Jiraiya tries to use his hair, Deidara's response would be simple. Since he would consider himself to be in danger again, he would just fly up higher and
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. I'm talking about Akatsuchi who said ''They're too fast. I can't keep up.''. Not to mention that
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4. Dealing with bombs.
It isn't as difficult as it may seem.
Firstly, he needs time to prepare them. More or less, it doesn't matter.
There's no talking here and waiting to see what he's doing.
They have intel on Deidara and on his fighting style, so staying on his back is the best way
to win. Deidara isn't immune to his own explosions so he has to be cautious not to hurt himself as well.
Smaller bombs - the easiest ones to create - can be easily blown away with Orochimaru's
Fuuton, while a single mid-close ranged contact leaves Deidara vulnerable to Temporary
Paralysis technique, which even though getting dispelled quickly, still gives some valuable
time of him being paralysed.
It should be quite obvious that Deidara wouldn't enter a Taijutsu match with Tsunade. As for Oro's Fuuton, it's doubtful that it can pull off what you are implying. It has been shown that
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. In other words, it can go throught rocks which implies that the bombs are quite forceful and won't be blown away that easily. Especially if it's C2 projectiles.
5. C4.
Seriously... He is not even using that.Forming C4 took Deidara more than 3 whole manga pages. He's getting killed even before he can spit that out. BUT, even if he SOMEHOW managed to form and use C4, with intel, which the Sannin obviously have, they can easily survive it.
They don't have intel on C4. As far as we know, they only have intel on Deidara's C1 and as far as we know, Deidara might have created C4 after Sasori's death so Kabuto has no way of knowing about it. And using that three pages argument, I see. Deidara is intelligent. He would obviously create a Clay Clone which can defend him from the Sannin while the C4 is being created.
(*)Let's start with Orochimaru.
*Firstly, we all know that one needs to INHALE them nano bombs for it to even take effect.
With Soft Physique he can simply move out of the C4 aoe by simply following Deidara, because he needs to avoid their effect as well.
Implying that Orochimaru has knowledge on C4 and will know about the nano bombs. Even if he does by some miracle have knowledge on C4 then when his head or whatever is following Deidara out of the C4 radius gets out of the radius. Deidara can simply blow it off with a C1 bomb.
*What is more, if that doesn't work out, he can simply use his Attack Prevention technique to simply merge with a tree or any other object or even use Zetsu's merging techniques (but that's not even needed, since he can do similar things without Zetsu cells).
That can be countered by Deidara using his C1 bombs to go underground and blow him up. And again, Oro doesn't have knowledge on C4 so he won't do this.
*Again, as seen in manga, Orochimaru can recreate his whole body from within anything that contains at least a little bit of his chakra and consciousnes - first evidence is him being revived from his Cursed Seal, and the second one is him trying to escape with 3 small snakes after having his (almost) whole body and chakra sealed by Totsuka.
Thereby, nothing stops him from leaving some snakes around just in case.
(*) Jiraya might have problems with survivng that, but that's where Tsunade comes in.
*She claimed herself that she could turn her chakra into electricity and send electric waves at least through human body. It's more than enough to nullify C4's nano bombs effect from both J-man and herself.Apart from that, C4 seems not to have any effect on the surroundings - trees, ground, etc. remained untouched.
I don't care if Tsunade can use that technique. As far as we know, it's a medical jutsu. Raiton makes Dei's bombs into duds. Tsunade doesn't have it. Not to mention that she has no knowledge on C4 so
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. Once they figure out that it isn't a failed bomb,
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5. Conclusion.
As you can see, Tsunade is not even using Byakugo, J-man is not using SM.But they could. And they could also use summonnings. But these are not needed.Sound genjutsu used by Ma and Pa, while riding on Orochimaru's neck could do the job as well.There are tons of possibilities, while Deidara getting cornered with every seconds needs to focus on defense rather than on offense, considering that his justu can harm himself as well.
There's no way Deidara wins this. The only thing that's debatable is how long he says alive. And considering that his explosive techniques are chakra demanding and that he himself said that by getting lower on his reserves his ability to
mold chakra decreases - the Sannin can easily (but IMO this fight is not even reaching that stage) outlast him.
Moreover, people are severely underrating what a team can do. Avoiding attacks coming from 1 Kage level shinobi is hard and requires a lot of concentration. Surviving against 3 is out of Deidara's league.
