Deidara vs The Sannin [Discussion]

[Fecal Matter]

i tink dr proof and prince charles are brothers irl.

 

[Prince Charles]

i tink dr proof and prince charles are brothers irl.

lmao, maybe

 

[DrProof]

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Any of the Sannins can defeat him..... He is not that great...

I will copy and paste my own post from a similiar thread stating Tsuande solos him...

Here we go again...

1) Tsunade can reach him:
Proof of her jumping skills:

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She didn't jump from Gamabunto or Katsuyu neither... Here is the entire fight, if you wanna check it out:

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Now i am gonna show you how many times Deidara was SUCCESFULLY hunted down in the sky:

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In the last one was caught with 2 shurikens... lame

2) Tsunade is smarter than Deidara, the proof is in the Third Databook wrote by Kishi.
The smart stat in the databook does not measure Hokage Intelligence, or Booksmart. The whole Databook measure their skills as a Shinobi.

Tsunade

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Deidara

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If you have any doubts These are Shikamaru stats:

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See? So the Intelligence stat is meant for describing the skill for making tactics in battle .

4) Deidara was beaten by Sai and Kankuro, so he can be easily beaten by any of the Sannins, he is not that great without his deadly techniques, and without Tobi's help landing the mines or fighting on someone's village, and threaten to massively kill villagers... Deidara jutsu is just too slow to fight multiple enemy's he cannot risk himself to use some of his most powerful jutsus when there are more than one Shinobi trying to cut his head off... that's why he didn't use C3, or C4 in the battle with Kankuro and Sai, remember he had total control of his Edo-body...
Sasori had his reasons, he didn't have his puppets with him, but Deidara? LAME!
He was surpassed by Kankuro's and Sai's intelligence, this is the reason Tsunade can easily beat him too (Did you see the Databook point, right?).

5) She does have Katsuyu acid, that works as a long range attack, fast and deadly enough to shot down from a bird to a dragon:

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6) Remember she can neutralize clay bombs with her elecricity palm??

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Every bomb she can touch with this jutsu will be disabled...

7) Did i say C4 is slow?

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Clay eating, and clay throwing up, far too risky...[/SPOILER]

I'm going to make this quick, and simple:

Tsunade has great jumping skills, that you are correct however, Deidara has the capabilities to fly at ranges not even Enlarged Summoned Beast can tower. That being said, Tsunade has no possible chance to reach the aerial standing in which Deidara could.

Another point in which I would like to make is that of all the times Deidara's been caught it was because these three reasons:

• Deidara was fighting an Aerial-Based Fighter(s); This is obviously referring to Oonoki.
• Deidara was leveled against his opponent(s); This is obviously referring to Naruto & Kakashi.
• Deidara was out-smarted, with basic ninja-tools in which had an extensive range; This is obviously referring to Sasuke.

Now to address your "Tsunade has Raiton" case. Tsunade has been shown to configure her Bodily Functions via electricity, but one could argue it was pure Medical Ninjutsu, with real world logic. I will however, leave real world logic out of the question for now. Tsunade lacks a Sharingan in which Sasuke had to figure out the weakness of Deidara's Explosion Release, Tsunade has no such tactics, as well no exterior methods to unleash this said "Raiton Release". Thus, any, and all exterior assaults will affect her.​

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A Man With Unmeasured-Potential

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First off, Deidara against a Taijutsu-based user such as Tsunade would set-up a failsafe, in case his plans didn't go to well on the first and/or second attempt to gain leverage within the air. This failsafe would be an underground mine set-up, with the beginning of the battle beginning, Deidara would create multiple Clay Clones:

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Once the Clay Clones are created, Tsunade of which is a Taijutsu-based user would as you've already shown would see this as an advantage since Deidara hasn't taken to the skies. and would use her powerful, chakra-enhanced Taijutsu to pummel through the Clay Clones, not only allowing Deidara to go underground via Hiding like a Mole Technique:

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But also trapping herself in an "Unescape-able Binding" in which no Jutsu can rescue the victim. Being surrounded by multiple Clay Clones, and the fact that Deidara can actively sense what is happening above, on the surface would detonate the multiple Clay Clones surrounding Deidara, as well gaining distances away to quickly conjure up the C2 Dragon, not only making himself a failsafe, but taking out Tsunade as well via multiple explosion of this size:​

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This is a simple Failsafe Set-up, as well to Kill-Off Tsunade quickly plan. Like I stated in the beginning I wanted to end your Tsunade>Deidara thoughts quick, and easy.

 

[Nattana]

This thread is a joke.

Orochimaru shitstomps Deidara.
Jiraya beats him mid-high diff.

All 3 at once? -1000 diff.

 

[DrProof]

This thread is a joke.

Orochimaru shitstomps Deidara.
Jiraya beats him mid-high diff.

All 3 at once? -1000 diff.

You know what's a joke? NB's idiocy, and the constant neglecting of posting Manga Scans, and or an argument. Your post is a joke, why don't you try adding some content, to your context.

 

[Fodder#4]

Right.... If I get the time later, I'll put up an argument why Deidara can't win.

Seriously.. He has certain flaws/aspects of his fighting style that make it hard for him to fight multiple opponents.

 

[DrProof]

Right.... If I get the time later, I'll put up an argument why Deidara can't win.

Seriously.. He has certain flaws/aspects of his fighting style that make it hard for him to fight multiple opponents.

Sounds good, and he has very little flaws in his fighting-style, and those flaws are made up by his technique's versatility.

@Nattana it's not the fact that you disagreed, it's the fact that you called this thread a joke, all while not providing any type of argument. Hence, why I negged you.

 

[Nattana]

You know what's a joke? NB's idiocy, and the constant neglecting of posting Manga Scans, and or an argument. Your post is a joke, why don't you try adding some content, to your context.

Ok. U want that? So instead of neg repping people for their opinion, post anything about how Deidara is defeating all 3 of them at once - with all needed offense, defense and awareness of that 3 highly skilled ninja trying to kill him.
IMO there's no way he does that BUT if u insist, I'll be waiting for your response.

 

[DrProof]

Ok. U want that? So instead of neg repping people for their opinion, post anything about how Deidara is defeating all 3 of them at once - with all needed offense, defense and awareness of that 3 highly skilled ninja trying to kill him.
IMO there's no way he does that BUT if u insist, I'll be waiting for your response.

I've already destroyed an argument from a Tsunade supporter, which side do you support, and give me something to dispute. Don't just say Orochimaru/Jiraiya take -1000 diff.

 

[Nattana]

I've already destroyed an argument from a Tsunade supporter, which side do you support, and give me something to dispute. Don't just say Orochimaru/Jiraiya take -1000 diff.

But now that you've neg repped me, I want you to prove me HOW is Deidara beating all 3 of them at once.
I'll be waiting for that and even though I rarely engage such discussions, I'm willing to spend my time and debate with you.

 

[Prince Charles]

But now that you've neg repped me, I want you to prove me HOW is Deidara beating all 3 of them at once.
I'll be waiting for that and even though I rarely engage such discussions, I'm willing to spend my time and debate with you.

Lol cant tell if serious? you come to his thread and post a bull shit claim talking about -1000 diff and want him to post a argument? lmao I cant deal...

 

[DrProof]

But now that you've neg repped me, I want you to prove me HOW is Deidara beating all 3 of them at once.
I'll be waiting for that and even though I rarely engage such discussions, I'm willing to spend my time and debate with you.

What does Neg Rep have to do with the other responding first. You provide some reason why they are superior to Deidara, I dispute it..

 

[blazekev90]

Didn't we cover this discussion all last week -_-

 

[DrProof]

Didn't we cover this discussion all last week -_-

I just came back, three days ago. So to speak, I wasn't part of that discussion, the discussions were probably mediocre at best.

Now that I am here, and my partner Prince Charles, as well Nous we can easily prove as to why Deidara > The Sannin. Any accusations to throw around BlazeKev? I know you, know your shit regarding Orochimaru. Why don't you bring some information to the table.

 

[Nattana]

Lol cant tell if serious? you come to his thread and post a bull shit claim talking about -1000 diff and want him to post a argument? lmao I cant deal...

He asked for opinion and that's what he received. If he cannot handle it, it's not my problem.

What does Neg Rep have to do with the other responding first. You provide some reason why they are superior to Deidara, I dispute it..

It's not about the rep. I couldn't care less tbh.
As for the reasons, I'll post them as soon as I can.

 

[bablujojo]

ok, sannin win mid diff
jiraiya and tsunade are physically stronger than oro and deidara
oro is still stronger than deidara
use summons to defend (use eight hydra thingy)
once they get close, just beat him up

 

[blazekev90]

I just came back, three days ago. So to speak, I wasn't part of that discussion, the discussions were probably mediocre at best.

Now that I am here, and my partner Prince Charles, as well Nous we can easily prove as to why Deidara > The Sannin. Any accusations to throw around BlazeKev? I know you, know your shit regarding Orochimaru. Why don't you bring some information to the table.

PC (Prince Charles) was there for the 10 pages provided last time. I'm really not trying to dedicate my whole day to NB again, so I'll mention brief statements.

Overall, I do agree that Deidara has the POTENTIAL to own anyone given his abilities. Hell I've agreed this a few times myself. However, his arrogance and fighting style makes him very predictable 85% of the time (constantly eating and/or hand sign)

Deidara has the ability to fly at the highest latitudes, yet in every occasion he has fought in close range of his opponent. The reason he didn't fly at the same height against Sasuke as he did against Garra, was because in attacking at such a high altitude this gives the opponent more than enough time to avoid or counter his attacks. It wouldn't be in his best interest to attack at that point, small bombs would be easily blown away by Oro's wind release, larger bombs would attacked by Jman's Katon. Tsuande is still there capable of supplying her chakra to either of them to greatly enhance both of their attacks. Therefore, logically this "spamming from above" method wouldn't work, unless it was someone like Hashi.

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Do you really not see them blowing/burning such attacks prior to reaching them at these heights??



If his opponents on planted on the ground, he would fly at a range in which he THINKS his opponents can't reach him. At this point he would be open to attacks, such as Tsunade's leap, Jman's Food Cart Destroyer Technique, long rang attacks from either member.

(this isn't an debate, just pure common sense)

 

[Chīkara]

Deidara is in adventage with his fighting style.
Can't see the sannins jump this high to reach deidara.

If summoning jutsu's are allowed it might be different.
Gamabunta jump range might be pretty high.

But even deidara would have a counter against this.

C4 is his trump card in this fight the kages will be blown up
Without knowledge. They will think his jutsu failed.
Since they can't sense chakra it'll be over.

( for atleast tsunade. If Jiraiya SM is pulled of its a different story since he can sense chakra.)

I'd like to go more in depth but i can't provide any scans and have hard times
Typing on my phone lol..

 

[Prince Charles]

BlazeKev.

I was not their for the 10 pages, Because I lost interest in it. Anyways I noticed how you said that the sannin will only have attacks from above to worry about and not taking into factor of underground attacks via landmines which does not require Tobi to plan considering Deidara can utilize his clay clones to use hidden like a mole techniques and bury the bombs that way. Not up for debating this, just wanted to make that point out.

 

[blazekev90]

BlazeKev.

I was not their for the 10 pages, Because I lost interest in it. Anyways I noticed how you said that the sannin will only have attacks from above to worry about and not taking into factor of underground attacks via landmines which does not require Tobi to plan considering Deidara can utilize his clay clones to use hidden like a mole techniques and bury the bombs that way. Not up for debating this, just wanted to make that point out.

oh! My bad, i thought you were lol

Yes, I am familiar with Deidara's ability to plan mines given the proper procedure.