Location: Open Field [Kimimaro vs Gaara]
Knowledge: Manga
Mindset: IC, Killing Intent
Distance: 25m
Restrictions: Edo Tensei
I do believe Deidara has the potential to defeat the three Sannin simultaneously, of course with ET restricted. What are your opinions on this match-up.
I'll be defending Deidara against any, and all accusations stating he loses.
What exactly do you believe to be the downfall of Deidara within this Match-up? Deidara's fighting style, and ranged tactics put him at an advantage from the beginning. I would actually like to thoroughly debate this, because the majority of NB downplay Deidara's overall capabilities.
What exactly do you believe to be the downfall of Deidara within this Match-up? Deidara's fighting style, and ranged tactics put him at an advantage from the beginning. I would actually like to thoroughly debate this, because the majority of NB downplay Deidara's overall capabilities.
Downfall? Probably jiraiya due to his type of arsenal that consists of long range techniques and then theirs the fact that if he is capable of going into Sm than that means he can is capable of using frog genjutsu and and frog song to capture Deidara potentially. Imo Jiraiya would probably be the most dangerous here to a person like deidara. Tsunade is non factor here, Sasuke's god like speed was described into the databook was needed to escape Deidara's clay bombs and even then he still got caught in a few and had to result to Curse mark and still got badly injured, Tsunade is losing limbs here and then theirs C4 which to my understanding the sannin have no knowledge on and neither of the 3 possess the sharigan to see the color of the chakra of the mini bombs to negate the C4 grauda. Also I remember orochimaru's rebith technique may not be a counter to the C4 since the mini bombs will enter his blood stream so it's arguable if the body shedding technique will give birth to a new body without the mini bombs already it which it most likely wont.
Downfall? Probably jiraiya due to his type of arsenal that consists of long range techniques and then theirs the fact that if he is capable of going into Sm than that means he can is capable of using frog genjutsu and and frog song to capture Deidara potentially. Imo Jiraiya would probably be the most dangerous here to a person like deidara. Tsunade is non factor here, Sasuke's god like speed was described into the databook was needed to escape Deidara's clay bombs and even then he still got caught in a few and had to result to Curse mark and still got badly injured, Tsunade is losing limbs here and then theirs C4 which to my understanding the sannin have no knowledge on and neither of the 3 possess the sharigan to see the color of the chakra of the mini bombs to negate the C4 grauda. Also I remember orochimaru's rebith technique may not be a counter to the C4 since the mini bombs will enter his blood stream so it's arguable if the body shedding technique will give birth to a new body without the mini bombs already it which it most likely wont.
You've mostly defended Deidara within this context, and I thank you for that. But I want to get this known, Deidara has the capabilities to travel to far out ranges due to his Aerial fighting style, sound travels quickly, but Jiraiya has only been shown to use Frog Song, in an enclosed area (Pain entrapped within the Toad Mouth etc.). So this has me to believe that Jiraiya has to concentrate his chakra so that X can be affected. Jiraiya would have used Frog Song in an open space against Pain, and taken them all out at once if he could, I believe, but seemingly it doesn't work that way, so I can infer that the range of Frog Song is Short-Mid at best.
You've mostly defended Deidara within this context, and I thank you for that. But I want to get this known, Deidara has the capabilities to travel to far out ranges due to his Aerial fighting style, sound travel quickly, but Jiraiya has only been shown to use Frog Song, in an enclosed area (Pain entrapped within the Toad Mouth etc.). So this has me to believe that Jiraiya has to concentrate his chakra so that X can be affected. Jiraiya would have used Frog Song in an open space again Pain, and taken them all out at once if he could, I believe, but seemingly it doesn't work that way, so I can infer that the range of Frog Song is Short-Mid at best.
Well for one, frog genjutsu and frog song are completely different techniques, It's cool cus I was also confused about the two and essentially thought they were the same but they are not. Frog song is the tech that MA and PA used against the rinnegan summons to paralyze them. Frog genjutsu is the tech that was performed on 6pop when jiraiya confronted them. And I agree with you that the frog genjutsu leaves jiraiya at a great disadvantage since it also has it flaws, regarding the frog genjutsu being used outside, you have some points but we have to keep in mind that Tayuga used her flute genjutsu against shikamaru back in part 1 and the it quickly spread every where and it's range seemed quite comfortable, and the location was in a forest (outside)
Well for one, frog genjutsu and frog song are completely different techniques, It's cool cus I was also confused about the two and essentially thought they were the same but they are not. Frog song is the tech that MA and PA used against the rinnegan summons to paralyze them. Frog genjutsu is the tech that was performed on 6pop when jiraiya confronted them. And I agree with you that the frog genjutsu leaves jiraiya at a great disadvantage since it also has it flaws, regarding the frog genjutsu being used outside, you have some points but we have to keep in mind that Tayuga used her flute genjutsu against shikamaru back in part 1 and the it quickly spread every where and it's range seemed quite comfortable, and the location was in a forest (outside)
Ah I see, I was never really informed on Jiraiya's part, thanks man. Yeah I agree that the Sound Genjutsu can travel good distances, but its field of affect would doubtfully simmer every few meters due to the chakra concentration within the technique needed (Genjutsu in general relies on the user to have near perfect chakra control).
Ah I see, I was never really informed on Jiraiya's part, thanks man. Yeah I agree that the Sound Genjutsu can travel good distances, but its field of affect would doubtfully simmer every few meters due to the chakra concentration within the technique needed (Genjutsu in general relies on the user to have near perfect chakra control).
Location: Open Field [Kimimaro vs Gaara]
Knowledge: Manga
Mindset: IC, Killing Intent
Distance: 25m
Restrictions: Edo Tensei I do believe Deidara has the potential to defeat the three Sannin simultaneously, of course with ET restricted. What are your opinions on this match-up.
I'll be defending Deidara against any, and all accusations stating he loses.
Were you trying to be funny? Well let me tell you what I find hilarious you've provided no canonical evidence. Tsunade's fighting style as you've stated (Taijutsu-user) has no way to touch Deidara, Jiraiya is the same as most of his techniques aren't Aerial-based. Orochimaru relies in the same boat as Jiraiya.
Also what Genjutsu has Orochimaru shown, that will affect Deidara? Remember Visual-Based Genjutsu approaches have no affect, and Sound-Based Genjutsu won't either due to the distances Deidara can gain.
Any of the Sannins can defeat him..... He is not that great...
I will copy and paste my own post from a similiar thread stating Tsuande solos him...
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1) Tsunade can reach him:
Proof of her jumping skills:
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She didn't jump from Gamabunto or Katsuyu neither... Here is the entire fight, if you wanna check it out:
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Now i am gonna show you how many times Deidara was SUCCESFULLY hunted down in the sky:
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In the last one was caught with 2 shurikens... lame
2) Tsunade is smarter than Deidara, the proof is in the Third Databook wrote by Kishi.
The smart stat in the databook does not measure Hokage Intelligence, or Booksmart. The whole Databook measure their skills as a Shinobi.
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If you have any doubts These are Shikamaru stats:
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See? So the Intelligence stat is meant for describing the skill for making tactics in battle .
4) Deidara was beaten by Sai and Kankuro, so he can be easily beaten by any of the Sannins, he is not that great without his deadly techniques, and without Tobi's help landing the mines or fighting on someone's village, and threaten to massively kill villagers... Deidara jutsu is just too slow to fight multiple enemy's he cannot risk himself to use some of his most powerful jutsus when there are more than one Shinobi trying to cut his head off... that's why he didn't use C3, or C4 in the battle with Kankuro and Sai, remember he had total control of his Edo-body...
Sasori had his reasons, he didn't have his puppets with him, but Deidara? LAME!
He was surpassed by Kankuro's and Sai's intelligence, this is the reason Tsunade can easily beat him too (Did you see the Databook point, right?).
5) She does have Katsuyu acid, that works as a long range attack, fast and deadly enough to shot down from a bird to a dragon:
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6) Remember she can neutralize clay bombs with her elecricity palm??
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Every bomb she can touch with this jutsu will be disabled...
7) Did i say C4 is slow?
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Clay eating, and clay throwing up, far too risky...
Any of the Sannins can defeat him..... He is not that great...
I will copy and paste my own post from a similiar thread stating Tsuande solos him...
Here we go again...
1) Tsunade can reach him:
Proof of her jumping skills her jumping skills:
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She didn't jump from Gamabunto or Katsuyu neither... Here is the entire fight, if you wanna check it out:
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Now i am gonna show you how many times Deidara was SUCCESFULLY hunted down in the sky:
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In the last one was caught with 2 shurikens... lame
2) Tsunade is smarter than Deidara, the proof is in the Third Databook wrote by Kishi.
The smart stat in the databook does not measure Hokage Intelligence, or Booksmart. The whole Databook measure their skills as a Shinobi.
Tsunade
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Deidara
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If you have any doubts These are Shikamaru stats:
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See? So the Intelligence stat is meant for describing the skill for making tactics in battle .
4) Deidara was beaten by Sai and Kankuro, so he can be easily beaten by any of the Sannins, he is not that great without his deadly techniques, and without Tobi's help landing the mines or fighting on someone's village, and threaten to massively kill villagers... Deidara jutsu is just too slow to fight multiple enemy's he cannot risk himself to use some of his most powerful jutsus when there are more than one Shinobi trying to cut his head off... that's why he didn't use C3, or C4 in the battle with Kankuro and Sai, remember he had total control of his Edo-body...
Sasori had his reasons, he didn't have his puppets with him, but Deidara? LAME!
He was surpassed by Kankuro's and Sai's intelligence, this is the reason Tsunade can easily beat him too (Did you see the Databook point, right?).
5) She does have Katsuyu acid, that works as a long range attack, fast and deadly enough to shot down from a bird to a dragon:
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6) Remember she can neutralize clay bombs with her elecricity palm??
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Every bomb she can touch with this jutsu will be disabled...
7) Did i say C4 is slow?
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Clay eating, and clay throwing up, far too risky...
Lmao no need for turning up anyways, I skimmed through his post and I dont agree with most it. Especially the part where he talks about Tsunade's jumping agility and skills, he claims that she did that feat without the effort of katsuya for jump support but I can argue that his wrong.
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where Katsuya get's dispersed by Manda.
But due to his IQ he probably didnt analyze that scan correctly, if he did he would had noticed that katsuya was already reforming shown here.
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The next page Katsuya is already fully
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and you clearly see tsunade standing on top of her and you see gamabunta's katana landing literally right in front of them.
Saying she didnt use Katsuya as jumping support is fan fiction at best, I won't deny that it's possibly since we can't say for sure since it was off panel whether or not she did but most likely I am correct since katsuya and tsunade had enough time to plan their strategy and pull it off while Gamabunta was keeping Manda busy.
The rest of his post almost gave my laptop a trojan hose virus to the stupidity, His argument for tsunade is that she had a .5 higher point than Deidara in intelligence category? :eww:. Won't even comment on that.
Deidara was beaten by Sai and Kankuro, so he can be easily beaten by any of the Sannins, he is not that great without his deadly techniques, and without Tobi's help landing the mines or fighting on someone's village, and threaten to massively kill villagers... Deidara jutsu is just too slow to fight multiple enemy's he cannot risk himself to use some of his most powerful jutsus when there are more than one Shinobi trying to cut his head off... that's why he didn't use C3, or C4 in the battle with Kankuro and Sai, remember he had total control of his Edo-body...
Sasori had his reasons, he didn't have his puppets with him, but Deidara? LAME!
He was surpassed by Kankuro's and Sai's intelligence, this is the reason Tsunade can easily beat him too
Lol can't tell if serious, She will be capable of pulling that off when Deidara can easily make the clay bomb explode as soon as it's mere inches in front of her? And their will be multiple bombs :|. Btw link me a scan of tsunade having raiton element and utilizing it like sasuke. Oh yeah she doesnt so stop trying to fabricate the manga with your petty arguments. That one little feat of her using electricity to damage internally not does even suggest she will be capable of taking care of Deidara's bombs.
Lol C4 slow? You do know Deidara has shown to make smaller variants of C4 right?
. And and yeah you have a point.
