Debunking all Itachi hype with pure manga facts.

[Made in Heaven]

Considering Riku madara brought carnage to the entire world yet was beaten by someone easily shows the power gap. So for someone this strong to call someone else invincible that is a powerful feat

He was not beaten. Beating implies an actual one-on-one fight, not a sneak attack when one of them thinks the other is his own will. This is no way to asses power levels between characters. If anyone was in the same place as Madara, including Itachi, they would have suffered the same fate. You're literally arguing a back stab is enough to asses who would win in a proper one on one fight. Black Zetsu is not strong at all, not strong enough to even beat Mei and a few other Jonins, his only reason for being able to take out Madara is sneakiness, not power.

 

[Amenotejikara]

>Prevented a Coup
>Ended Edo Tensei
>Trigger for Sasuke becoming a good guy

Other aspects of a Gary-Stu

>Loved/Praised by all (Hashirama, Zetsu, Madara, Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi)
>Weaknesses and Flaws are given excuses and/or are presented as likable/admirable flaws (Itachi's whole character revolves around this idea that him murdering 5 year olds is a "Good" flaw)
>Is considered cool and admirable (such is the case with Itachi, both in-universe and among fans)
>Tragic and edgy backstory
>Over the top abilities not seen in others
>Out shines characters who should naturally be more important than him (Naruto and Sasuke)

I literally don't care how strong he is or how strong you want to imagine he is. He is Gary-Stu, plain and simple.

LOL!!!!!!!!! I rest my case you have no idea wtf a mary sue is. it doesn't matter if itachi solved problematic threats, the FACT remains, plot brought sasuke with him to help end edo tensei. that goes against mary sue codebook. "trigger sasuke to become good guy"? <<<-- so? he was also the trigger to make him a bad guy. lmao it goes hand in hand. the only thing that can change people is by confronting the very thing that changed them in the first place. psychology 101.

"praised by all" <- except just about most relevant characters have been praised alot especially uchihas. so weak point

"weakness exploited" <- if itachi explains the (obvious) weakness, it's not a mary sue.

"considered cool and admiral" <- smh so is minato, sasuke, naruto, kakashi and gai. again, not a mary sue.

"tragic edgy backstory" <- except his backstory is sasuke's. and please, nothing was more edgy than obito's.

"over the top not seen before" <--Death reaper seal came before totsuka and shukaku came before susanoo :tea:

"outshine more relevant characters" <--Oh so I guess rock lee/madara is mary sue too for one shotting naruto and sasuke.



You have no idea what a gary stu is and you need to take a long break from guntah assuming you're not actually him.

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[Mellanoma]

He was not beaten. Beating implies an actual one-on-one fight, not a sneak attack when one of them thinks the other is his own will. This is no way to asses power levels between characters. If anyone was in the same place as Madara, including Itachi, they would have suffered the same fate. You're literally arguing a back stab is enough to asses who would win in a proper one on one fight. Black Zetsu is not strong at all, not strong enough to even beat Mei and a few other Jonins, his only reason for being able to take out Madara is sneakiness, not power.

Nah not true. especially since Madara took a direct hit by Night Gai and completely regenerated. This shows that Black Zetsu's power completely over took him which i imagine it would considering Madara's Power was originally Black Zetsu's / Kaguya.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Apparently, having an actual discussion instead of posting edited Itachi scans counts as hate now.

People telling why he/she doesnt like Itachi bcus he being a Gary Stu wont blur the hate line the person tried to show. It doesnt matter if you wrote the essay that span about two pages just to convey your hatred on him. The point is you hate/dislike him bcuz being a perfect.

 

[DrProof]

Common sense would tell you BZ being Kaguya's will is retconned nonsense. We're both aware of that, so I really don't see why you attempt to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. If you want to pull the "Yata's invincibility was never disproven" card, I could just as easily claim the Gentle Fist can destroy a Bijuu Bomb because Neji said the Gentle Fist can destroy chakra, and the limits of it was never disproven or clarified despite only destroying some chakra threads and a water dome, just as Yata's blocking of a few fireballs.

Common sense would also tell you the circumstances of Black Zetsu taking out Madara is not at all what one would consider an actual fight, unless you want to argue that in a hypothetical scenerio of Sakura taking out Itachi in his sleep would make her stronger than him, despite the how obvious of a non-fight it is, just like in the case of Madara and Zetsu. Again, I know you're aware of this, so why are you acting like you're not?

Itachi is no where in the top 10, probably not top 15 either.

@bold 1: Retcon because you specifically don't appeal to such a realization? Clearly you need to get over yourself if that's the case.

@bold 2: Why couldn't Gentle Fist deconstruct a TBB? Its not the if, its the why; because on contact the TBB explodes this is the reason Gentle Fist cannot destroy the chakra implemented into the TBB.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Rinnegan + Moon -> Mugen Tsukuyomi

Asked for Hagoromo's genjutsu feats. And he didn't have the rinne sharingan to cast the mugen tsukiyomi so try again.

 

[To Whatever]

LOL!!!!!!!!! I rest my case you have no idea wtf a mary sue is. it doesn't matter if itachi solved problematic threats, the FACT remains, plot brought sasuke with him to help end edo tensei. that goes against mary sue codebook. "trigger sasuke to become good guy"? <<<-- so? he was also the trigger to make him a bad guy. lmao it goes hand in hand. the only thing that can change people is by confronting the very thing that changed them in the first place. psychology 101.

"praised by all" <- except just about most relevant characters have been praised alot especially uchihas. so weak point

"weakness exploited" <- if itachi explains the (obvious) weakness, it's not a mary sue.

"considered cool and admiral" <- smh so is minato, sasuke, naruto, kakashi and gai. again, not a mary sue.

"tragic edgy backstory" <- except his backstory is sasuke's. and please, nothing was more edgy than obito's.

"over the top not seen before" <--Death reaper seal came before totsuka and shikaku came before susanoo :tea:

"outshine more relevant characters" <--Oh so I guess rock lee is mary sue too for one shotting naruto and sasuke.



You have no idea what a gary stu is and you need to take a long break from guntah assuming you're not actually him.

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Holy shit, weapons of mass autism with this guy as well....

 

[Lyke]

Asked for Hagoromo's genjutsu feats. And he didn't have the rinne sharingan to cast the mugen tsukiyomi so try again.

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[JStar King]

Asked for Hagoromo's genjutsu feats. And he didn't have the rinne sharingan to cast the mugen tsukiyomi so try again.

It looks like he did. Plus, his Rinnegan was needed to dispel his mother's Tsukiyomi as Sasuke said to Naruto and the others.

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[Made in Heaven]

@bold 1: Retcon because you specifically don't appeal to such a realization? Clearly you need to get over yourself if that's the case.

Yeah, pal. I'm just sharing my opinion. Don't care if people agree or not.

@bold 2: Why couldn't Gentle Fist deconstruct a TBB? Its not the if, its the why; because on contact the TBB explodes this is the reason Gentle Fist cannot destroy the chakra implemented into the TBB.

Same could be said for Yata, it's made of chakra so a Truth Seeker Orb would easily destroy it. And no, Bijuu Bombs don't detonate on impact necessarily, Naruto was able to grab multiple of them and fling them back. In any case, this is a technicality. Let's say you're right and Gentle Fist couldn't blow up a Bijuu Bomb because of it's explosive nature? What about a Susano'O then, a Kyuubi Avatar? Those don't detonate on contact.

 

[DrProof]

Everything aside, this topic will always go no where.

 

[Lyke]

Everything aside, this topic will always go no where.

This topic is already concluded: Itachi solos

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

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Lol he doesn't have the rinnesharingan. Check again.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

It looks like he did. Plus, his Rinnegan was needed to dispel his mother's Tsukiyomi as Sasuke said to Naruto and the others.

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He didn't absorb the shinju tree and the third eye on his forehead is not a rinnesharingan.

 

[Lyke]

Lol he doesn't have the rinnesharingan. Check again.

It looks like he did. Plus, his Rinnegan was needed to dispel his mother's Tsukiyomi as Sasuke said to Naruto and the others.

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[Made in Heaven]

Nah not true. especially since Madara took a direct hit by Night Gai and completely regenerated. This shows that Black Zetsu's power completely over took him which i imagine it would considering Madara's Power was originally Black Zetsu's / Kaguya.

That only further proves that Zetsu overwhelming Madara is nothing but situational and not actual evidence to claim Zetus is stronger than Rikudo Madara. You'd have to have your head far, far in the ground to argue something so stupid.

 

[JStar King]

He didn't absorb the shinju tree and the third eye on his forehead is not a rinnesharingan.

But he did become the Juubi Jin after he defeated his mother. And his Rinnegan was the key to dispelling Mugen Tsukiyomi.

And plus, with his power, Sasuke was able to awaken the RinneSharingan.

 

[Mellanoma]

Yeah, pal. I'm just sharing my opinion. Don't care if people agree or not.

Same could be said for Yata, it's made of chakra so a Truth Seeker Orb would easily destroy it. And no, Bijuu Bombs don't detonate on impact necessarily, Naruto was able to grab multiple of them and fling them back. In any case, this is a technicality. Let's say you're right and Gentle Fist couldn't blow up a Bijuu Bomb because of it's explosive nature? What about a Susano'O then, a Kyuubi Avatar? Those don't detonate on contact.

Yata isn't made of chakra. its a supernatural spiritual entity.

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[DrProof]

Yeah, pal. I'm just sharing my opinion. Don't care if people agree or not.

Same could be said for Yata, it's made of chakra so a Truth Seeker Orb would easily destroy it. And no, Bijuu Bombs don't detonate on impact necessarily, Naruto was able to grab multiple of them and fling them back. In any case, this is a technicality. Let's say you're right and Gentle Fist couldn't blow up a Bijuu Bomb because of it's explosive nature? What about a Susano'O then, a Kyuubi Avatar? Those don't detonate on contact.

Naruto grabbed the TBB through KN chakra shrouds, clearly a bijuu chakra shroud is compatible with the chakra in a TBB, allowing a minor syncing so that Naruto could grip them. If it were normal shinobi hands they'd detonate on contact.

No where was it stated that Yata Mirror/Totsuka Blade were made from chakra — The Kusanagi Blade possesses natural abilities, yet its not formed from chakra. The Totsuka Blade is a variant of the Kusanagi Blade; simply a spiritual/ethereal manifestation, rather than a physical (Orochimaru's Kusanagi).

If Orochimaru's sword isn't made from chakra, what makes you think the spiritual variant is created from chakra? If Totsuka one of the two legendary ethereal tools doesn't possess chakra, what makes you think Yata it's similar possesses such?

If Gentle Fist made contact with Susano'o or chakra cloaks it'd destroy the chakra, this has been discussed in the VS sections years ago. But Susano'o would be re-erected, as well as the chakra shroud.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

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But he did become the Juubi Jon after he defeated his mother. And his Rinnegan was the key to dispelling Mugen Tsukiyomi.

He did indeed but he sealed the Juubi's body along with his mother inside the moon. He didn't absorb it and thus didn't awaken the Rinnesharingan.