Debate: EjBlack vs Zexion~

[Optimistic]

*sigh*

Dumbass

You might get in trouble for that ...

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Yeah, pretty much expected this to happen. Pain's way stronger than Either of them.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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Honestly I don't see how the fact that he knew they were calling Naruto back proves how he knows pain abilities? He most likely merely over heard them talking? Or perhaps the elders told him, as they were relatively close. I highly and sincerely doubt he has any knowledge on the secrets of pains abilities. Especially seeing as none of the root's members decided to help the village

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Meaning none of them came into contact with Katsuyu which was how they were passing around info, It also doesn't really seem like he knew the magnitude of the opponent in pain, by his description to his followers.

Thats not a good reason that he doesn't, when you just gave full perfect reason that he has. Since you stated 1.) being relatively close to the elders can give him insides. 2) "Overhearing talk about Pain". So in the end Pain secrets in that arc were merely spread, so Konoha can protect themselves. So using a root member "asking if they should help" doesn't disprove my premise.

Does it really? I don't remember Danzo having any special copying abilities? Yes it is a sharingan ability however not everyone is as adept with it as Kakashi is, Hence why he is given the nickname. Highly Doubt Danzo can Copy Kage level jutsu.

Lol no Sharingan ability is adept to anyone who has knowledge about its eyes. Danzo knows more about the Sharingan then Sasuke and Kakashi lol. He knows how to active MS genjutsu, which isn't even his eyes, he knows the seal to activate Izanagi from Sharingan, can manually used Sharingan precog to counter Chidori Blitz[

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]. There is nothing in the manga to disprove he can't copy with Sharingan.

That was the formation they used when Deva's abilities were un-available, they could have a different one entirely however i suppose i can use this one for the moment. Nah to start the battle he'd most likely merely summon the Cerberus to start. It would be enough to take up both Hiruzen and Danzo's attention for the time being.

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That doesn't effect my premise at all. My premise supports this which I stated 1) Danzo cuts him up. 2) Danzo puts it under his control with Sharingan. Conclusion) Danzo has Dog under control with multiple of support, since the more you hit it the more heads he has.

So a Fuma Shirukin still continues to cut through, with my premise, targeting Pein.

Fuuton Shurikans? Thats not even going to stop the Cerberus alone, as its already been shown to heal from fuuton slicing wounds to the ankles/legs

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the flying summon as well will be immune to this method of attack. Since Pain has only summoned the cerberus, this method is rather useless, and yes if any stray off towards the paths preta can absorb them, or Pain could even use substitution jutsu

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At the very least ST Blows them away

Concerning Cerberus.) Read above.

Concerning Fuuton Shirikan.) Read my premise carefully. It isn't Sharikan(s)<--NO. Its Shirukan <-- Its Singular. Which Hiruzen will fooled them last minute, making clones, once it reaches Pretra.

3) Substitution needs a prep medium for it to work (not happening in the middle of battle), everyone is trained to use this since academy lol.

What is this nonsense? First off you act like pain can't react to fuuton shurikans to avoid them. Seeing as pain has already been shown to physically react to a Fuuton Rasen Shurikan,

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Which is by far faster then a Regular Fuuton Shurikan. Not to mention animal path can use his Summoning Shield

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In turn the paths could then quickly line up behind it if they wanted halting this puny strategy once and for all. Not to mention I don't see why Preta couldn't absorb the fuuton on the shadow clone Shurikans as well they would spawn right in his absorption field.

I am fully away he can dodged them. The difference here is,

1.)Pretra is always ready to absorb ninjutsu
2) My premise showed how Hiruzen Futon stream can increase the speed of an attack.
Conclusion) Therefore, the attack will come unexpected.

Using Summon Shield isn't helping as Jiraya's sepbon was able to punch through it a bit, to stick. Futon, on the other hand, was stated to be the best offensive power-->2 scans explained[

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]. So not only does my premise increase +Speed, I explained that Hiruzen Futon will also increase Danzo's Wind channeled Futon, due to air circulation (which I made a big highlight so you cant miss it). It will be slicing through everything in its path, basically all of Peins abilities, Bar Pretra and Deva.

My Premise stated Petra can could absorb Wind chakra from the Shiukan, read it again. What he will NOT expect is the Clone Shirukens coming last sec, spawning elsewhere. If thats what you stating then you arent looking at how well clone spawns can be place. Some will reach out of Pretra absorption range.

Childs play my man. First off what Stops Preta from reacting and rushing to Naraka's side? as so

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If i recall the jutsu wasn't particularly fast. Second do you realize how long the pain will have to react? If Danzo and Hiruzen are still busy fighting the cerberus this jutsu isn't going to be cast from all that close. With Shared Eyesight

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Pain would easily realize what Hiruzen is trying to do right when it avoids the first path, if worst comes to worse Animal path summon Naraka out of the danger zone

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Although without intel i dont see why he'd even go for Naraka in the first place...

My premise shows that the Shiruken infused Futon, cutting though every path will be Pretra's focus (especially with its speed increasing with Hiruzen Futon stream), otherwise the other paths will get hit. Thats why he can't rush to Naraka. Basically his eyes will be too focus to him up front, just like what Jiraya did[

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], but with wind. P.S they won't be busy w/ Cerberus, it will be helping them.

Birth of tree's i suppose would be an effective counter, however the second one would clearly not. Seals are still chakra Preta can absorb,

No Fuinjutsu is in a different class when it comes to chakra. Its fine-print that has a specific order to use chakra, to wither block chakra, paralyzed, seal/contain, etc. There were two cases that can debunk absorbing Seal, by feats. 1) Preta Path vs SM Naruto: Petra was stated to absorb all until nothing left. When it pinned Naruto and attempted to consumed all his chakra (both his SM chakra and regular), his Kurama seal was remained untouched. 2) Kisame vs Bee: Kisame stabbed Bee, inside Water Dome, absorbing both Bee's and Hachibi's chakra internally. The Iron Seal on his body remained untouch. Therefore Danzo's seal is not absorbable, since its classified Fuinjutsu. The match ends once this part happens

Its questionable if that would work due to the dog merely being exactly like another path of pain, under Nagato's control regardless and influenced by the rinnegan

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So is every summoning tech, under contract. You questioning it doesn't debunk my premise.

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Taking down Danzo may require some time and effort however Hiruzen is merely childs play to the likes of a god like Pain. As you've yet to come up with a solid counter to Cerberus there is the fact that he's still running about distracting them, and since neither of them seem to have defenses for large AOE Attacks imo, Asura's missiles could easily take down Hiruzen and One of Danzo's lives

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Also with all the scattered shurikans laying around from your earlier attacks Pain can easily utilize them to his advantage and launch a similar barrage right back at them, causing even more distraction

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Also while Danzo and Hiruzens attention are diverted Animal Path will then summon his chameleon summon

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However the path that will remain hidden in the summon will be the Human Path, Thus allowing him who is already skilled at remaining in the shadows

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To cause deadly Ambush Attacks ripping the soul out of whoever he choses. Especially when they are busy with distractions such as the ones caused in this fight

You have problems understanding my premise and lack knowledge of techs that I used, which lead you to think my counters weren't "solid". Now to your offensive premise:

1.)Ceberus will not be distracting as it will be hypnotized to help them.

2.)Asura missiles arent doing anything to Hiruzen as he can literally use any element to to push them away, while his elements overwhelm him at the same time. Worst case scenario, Mud wall will perfectly block the attack[

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]. But its better to overwhelm him instead with a elemental stream. In Danzo's case, he can sacrifice his life to spawn somewhere more effective to attack[

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]. So either way he is screwed from back to front.

3.) If you are using my premise with the Shirukens on the floor, then previously, this whole premise wouldn't work as my premise use this strategy to wipe out 4/6 Peins first. Deva will be wasting his time doing that in the first place. He can only do two regardless, one for each hand.

4.) Using Chameleon camouflage isn't hiding from none of these two, as Sharingan can see color chakra, and Hiruzen being a scent tracker expert[

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]. Plus Shadow Clones to protect him, the results will have him smashed by Enma or cut up by Danzo.

So far these distractions in your premise isn't effective to be successful.

#HiruzenNeutralizesPost ​

 

[Zexion~]

:| I understood your pitiful attacks fine, you're merely hyping the shit out of Fuuton Shirikans

But i shall post today or tommorow

 

[Brother Numpsay]

:| I understood your pitiful attacks fine, you're merely hyping the shit out of Fuuton Shirikans

But i shall post today or tommorow

#BelieveTheHype