[Game] Death Note Mafia Game #34

Who is the MVP of this game?

  • Alice in Noodleland

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  • Elmage G Ace

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  • Fait Accompli

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ansatsuken

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nikamara

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  • Soulkiller

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  • TheLukundo

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Interesting. Do you have particular experience with Lukundo or are you just TMI'ing him, given that your only prior "reads" had been "scumreads" on my slot and Nika?
They are not “scumreads” they are scum reads (you) and were scum reads (nika). Although i have to say that i scum read your predecessor less than you. I dont buy the whole oh look at me im so town you are trying to sell.

@Lukundo is Osie always like this?
 
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I do. We've played in games where we scummed together and where he was town and i was scum. Based on meta, Lukundo is town here.
Okay, expand on that. What do you mean "based on meta"?

Also while you're here:

Not only i didnt like Osie's LAMIST entrance into the the thread but I can't understand their reads. It looks like an attempt to look like game solving but leaving us confused, or at least i am confused. My vote remains in the slot for now.

Vote: Osie
Why bother with this drawn out setup and follow-up just to say that some of my pile of low-content posts prior to actual content is LAMIST? It seems like you're using a lot of words and not much thought to say very little.
 

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You want a separate post just for the SK analysis tidbit of pointing out that 3 different forms of analysis come to the same conclusion? I'm confused.
The numbers are not clickable, I don't have galaxy memory and i got limited time to play this game, so i would appreciate if you made it easy to cross reference your reads.
 

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Okay, expand on that. What do you mean "based on meta"?

Also while you're here:





Why bother with this drawn out setup and follow-up just to say that some of my pile of low-content posts prior to actual content is LAMIST? It seems like you're using a lot of words and not much thought to say very little.
Meta means based on collected info from games i've played with him.

Because your entrance feels over the top, feels like you are overplaying your “excitement” to look town when we don't do that. It's too much and when it's too much it comes from scum.
 

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Meta means based on collected info from games i've played with him.
Sure, but you must have some form of detail behind your read. After all, you've been in this game thread for significantly longer than I have and if you have even a fraction as much experience with Luk or in general playing mafia, you should easily be able to explain a detailed read on each player.

Because your entrance feels over the top, feels like you are overplaying your “excitement” to look town when we don't do that. It's too much and when it's too much it comes from scum.
Oh, honey, no. This is nothing in terms of over the top...
 

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Yah i'm not gonna do that. Since you offered the reads based on non clickable references, im gonna let you do that for me. One thing is to look solving like you did, and another thing is to actually try to solve like i have. Convince me to change my vote, im not impressed.

@Lukundo do you read Osie town? How about you @Rej what do you think about Osie so far?
 

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Sure, but you must have some form of detail behind your read. After all, you've been in this game thread for significantly longer than I have and if you have even a fraction as much experience with Luk or in general playing mafia, you should easily be able to explain a detailed read on each player.



Oh, honey, no. This is nothing in terms of over the top...
Nope. My read is just based on meta, i work 12 hours a day and only have one day off, when i play im already too tired and I subbed in to a slot whom did nothing to solve the game.
At first I thought Lukundo was scummy for the way he pushed Fait (i was catching up) but those interactions gave me flashbags about how he plays as town. Direct, brutally honest, not a guy of a lot of words like you but with a sharp mind to detect scum.

I see that lukundo here.
 

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i asked Lukundo, i'd appreciate if you didnt answer questions directed to others, that's scummy.
And this post from you is a macro-micro contradiction. The reason why it's scummy is that it influences the other player's response. So either:

1. You think that Lukundo would be significantly influenced by that response so you don't know Lukundo very well, so you were not entirely honest earlier.

2. You are saying that you believe Lukundo and I are scum together, which contradicts your early point.

OR

3. You have no idea what you're talking about and there's no reason to pay any attention to your content irrespective of your alignment.

One way or another, there is a bigger concern for me which is that despite me asking you multiple times now, you still refuse to provide details to your reads. I'm down to write 300 words on each player if you give me 200 words on each player.
 

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Nope. My read is just based on meta, i work 12 hours a day and only have one day off, when i play im already too tired and I subbed in to a slot whom did nothing to solve the game.
In this context, by saying "just meta", you're just saying a buzzword.

At first I thought Lukundo was scummy for the way he pushed Fait (i was catching up) but those interactions gave me flashbags about how he plays as town. Direct, brutally honest, not a guy of a lot of words like you but with a sharp mind to detect scum.
Oof "not like you, but with a sharp mind." That hurts deep.
 

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Nope. My read is just based on meta, i work 12 hours a day and only have one day off, when i play im already too tired and I subbed in to a slot whom did nothing to solve the game.
At first I thought Lukundo was scummy for the way he pushed Fait (i was catching up) but those interactions gave me flashbags about how he plays as town. Direct, brutally honest, not a guy of a lot of words like you but with a sharp mind to detect scum.

I see that lukundo here.
One way or another, there is a bigger concern for me which is that despite me asking you multiple times now, you still refuse to provide details to your reads. I'm down to write 300 words on each player if you give me 200 words on each player.
EBWOP: Okay, you gave me a bit on Luk. Thanks!

My approach to Luk here is first to throw out meta reads because they're one of the least effective tools, particularly when not used in close detail. I much prefer personality reads if I'm going to use history, and even then they aren't the end-all-be-all, certainly much worse than just good ol' fashioned tone reads at a certain level of play.

Luk starts out with steadily strengthening into the game on reads. This is not hugely difficult to fake but faking it in this context would set Luk up for a fall later, and it doesn't seem like that's happened. There's a follow-up with a deluge of posts leading into an SK push with a side of Fait. This is a good sign; the posts are focused and not particularly memey. Luk is in the element of the game. Sure enough, the follow-up is forming association reads at the same time as regular reads but without hard-forcing dichotomies or chains. This is a solid look; Luk ate Wheaties for breakfast. Several posts are very solid in their convictions. Luk's arrogance is familiar and reassuring; there's no attempt to mask the sense of confidence. Luk regularly forces the SK elimination over others, multiple times. I might do that as mafia with SK, but the gamestate read on the early thread is such that there's no reason for Luk to make that push. We don't have VCA really but Luk went particularly in depth about SoulKiller. It's a hard bus in a context where even if the numbers are town-friendly, scum could still attempt to force a perfect game with a town mis-elimination.

Luk's presence in the thread is that of an active townie sorting others.

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And this post from you is a macro-micro contradiction. The reason why it's scummy is that it influences the other player's response. So either:

1. You think that Lukundo would be significantly influenced by that response so you don't know Lukundo very well, so you were not entirely honest earlier.

2. You are saying that you believe Lukundo and I are scum together, which contradicts your early point.

OR

3. You have no idea what you're talking about and there's no reason to pay any attention to your content irrespective of your alignment.

One way or another, there is a bigger concern for me which is that despite me asking you multiple times now, you still refuse to provide details to your reads. I'm down to write 300 words on each player if you give me 200 words on each player.
No, it means that when i ask people questions i expect answers from them not from , when you nose in to answer the question to give a self-meta answer you are doing three things:

1) You are sabotaging my game solving.
2) You are being disrespectful.
3) You look like you don’t want an answer from someone who knows you.

And for the record, Im not saying that you two are scum together, for the simple reason that that is mechanically impossible. In a 10 players set up, there can only be two scum, one already died and the other one must be between you, rej and lukundo, but i highly doubt is Luku.
Also, i dont claim to know lukundo very well, i just think i know how he plays.

Have i said that I refuse to give you reads? No.
Will i provide you reads just because you demand them? No.

I’m thunderdoming with you which is better than any read you can get from me, because it is based on thunderdomes that I resolve slots.

I will give reads when I have them.
 

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No, it means that when i ask people questions i expect answers from them not from , when you nose in to answer the question to give a self-meta answer you are doing three things:

1) You are sabotaging my game solving.
2) You are being disrespectful.
3) You look like you don’t want an answer from someone who knows you.
1) Ehh. I don't know many town players whose solving would be significantly sabotaged by anything I've said here.
2) That's fair. I can attempt to be more respectful. I apologize for the pressure I've placed on you. I know that when I believe I have a solution path, like most people, it can result in a degree of tunnel vision.
3) Oh, no, I welcome a Luk answer. My answer will have no impact on Luk's answer though.

And for the record, Im not saying that you two are scum together, for the simple reason that that is mechanically impossible. In a 10 players set up, there can only be two scum
3 scum in a 10 player setup is not at all unusual, though. If anything, 2 is a little low without a bit of an awkward power ratio. Standard town:scum ratios are between 22% and 33%.

one already died and the other one must be between you, rej and lukundo, but i highly doubt is Luku.
Also, i dont claim to know lukundo very well, i just think i know how he plays.
Then why are you so unwilling to consider Rej? You haven't talked about Rej all game. That action speaks quite loudly. Are you protecting Rej for some reason? If you're town, then you have no reason to do so here.

Also, you said you had collected info forming meta from multiple games. In context, I asked why you were so ready to townread Luk when you had never given a case. You were very certain about townreading Luk. Luk was not an option at all for your PoE.

Have i said that I refuse to give you reads? No.
Will i provide you reads just because you demand them? No.
It took multiple times of asking you for detail before you provided detail on one read. Even if you think I'm mafia, you cannot be 100% certain, so actively ignoring requests for detail implicitly states that you refuse to contribute to cooperation between players in the thread. That is anti-town behaviour.

I’m thunderdoming with you which is better than any read you can get from me, because it is based on thunderdomes that I resolve slots.
Is it based on thunderdomes that everyone resolves slots? Is it based on thunderdomes that you resolve slots or based on reading the reactions given in those thunderdomes?

I will give reads when I have them.
I look forward to it, given that if you can provide detailed reads during this day phase, and if you are correct that there is only 2 mafia (which I doubt, but it's possible), then we can quickly eliminate Rej and conclude the game!

So instead, you are trying to waste mine? Precisely me who does have limited time?
Im out
I made links to searches of each user's posts in order. I.e. exactly what one would use to read along. It doesn't take time to follow along post by post in the search. It takes a lot of time to make each post number into a link; this site doesn't have links by post position in the thread. Not to mention, you asked me specifically about the SK analysis. The SK analysis is literally just going post by post through SK's ISO and listing out the number of times each person's name comes up in SK's posts, including quoting people and excluding posts with 0 names, or every player's name. It's a very easy analysis to do on flipped mafia to see who they mention more or less often. When there's a disconnect, it means the players below the disconnect are more likely buddies than not.
 

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Let's start with tonal analysis (Just Day 1), then do numerical mention analysis (Also just Day 1), and then maybe another form for the heck of it.

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Okay no useful content before post #20... Thankfully I only need to look at the posts of 5 players.

Daddy:

#20 - Daddy is being social. Let's see if he continues it in an awk way or not.

#72 - Not content.

#73 - "SK vote was RVS"

#74 - Decent response.

#75 - More social play.

#76 - Naked soft read...

#77 - Oh, that's a stronger read.

#78 - Oh that's a notably stronger, but wrong read.

#79 - Link... Okay.

#80 - I think I believe that Daddy believes this.

#81 - Oh god, stop posting already Daddy.

#82 - I feel like Daddy doesn't need to force an SK bus here on these grounds. Other reads seem okay.

#83-92 - Who the heck posts 20 posts in a row? Damnit Daddy. In all seriousness though, the Ansa read seems reasonable.

#94 - Okay, wrong read on Fait, but not necessarily problematic.

#98 - Keeping Ansa around for later... okay. Rej waffle bugs me a little less, I think?

#101/102 - This interaction is a little shaky for me. Daddy's tone here just feels like an odd shift. TBF, Fait's post was sus.

#107 - Not going to get much from this.

#108 - I kinda like this post? Shows parallel thinking.

#109 - Definitely not going to get much from this.

#110 - Okay... I think I believe that Daddy believes this.

#119 - Sarcastic Daddy is... in this case he still feels >rand!town.

#123-126 - Man, maybe I'm just getting pocketed super easily, but this feels good.

#129-131 - I don't like this bit as much.

#132-133 - Sigh, I dunno here. Like, this is gross.

#135 - Okay, I'mma put Daddy firmly in my townreads for now and skip noting my reactions until I see something glaringly notable. There's no reason for Daddy to shift from town to a bus here.

Ansatsuken:

#21 - Blah entrance. NAI for now.

#39 - This feels kinda legit even if it is waffly.

#40 - What even is this read?

#41 - Questions SK's vote.

#42 - Blah. "I know nothing, John Snow."

#63 - Ansa questions DENMON's read, following up with...

#66 - A back-off. Could be okay?

Rej:

#31 - This entrance post feels very awkward. Do not like.

#32 - TMIing Alice as town?

#33 - Mentions SK to consider a push on Alice...

#38 - Blah post that could be okay.

#104 - First part of this post feels like Rej is out of touch with the thread. Second part feels sorta like he's trying to direct Daddy, maybe soft-pocket?

#105 - Naked vote for RGK comes out of nowhere.

#168 - Yawn... Rej isn't doing enough. The thread's been a bit slow but really not THAT bad. RVS ended quickly. There's enough solid content to have real reads on more people. Nika has less content than Teddy...

#210 - What does this mean?

#211 - Blergh. Can we just elim Rej? This feels like overreaction central.

#218 -

#290/291 -
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#323 - Easy bus is easy.

Teddy:

#161 - Confident entrance with a strong read on Fait.

#162 - Odd link of Fait to SK. Do not like.

#165 - Not getting anything from this.

#166 - Okay, defense of Fait is... probably okay?

#167 - I... don't mind this? It makes sense but is it out of wolf bus range? I'm less sure.

#169 - Mindmeld here.

#182 - I don't dislike this post either. I'm not enamoured yet, though.

#185 - Sigh A little more self-aware than I want when I'm reading them as null-ish.

#188/189 - Sorta want to partially derpclear Teddy here... But I know I shouldn't.

#194 - Hmm. This attitude feels >rand!town.

#199 - Lack of reads is meh.

#203 - More good feels about the approach here.

#205 - I love this post. I agree with it very strongly.

#212 - Sticking to your convictions where it counts. Yeah, okay. Teddy is in a similar position to Daddy now.

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SK (flipped scum mentions analysis):

#24 - Fait/Alice
#25 - Denmon
#26 - Alice
#27 - Alice
#28 - Daddy/Ansa/Denmon (Ping - 1+ ppl in a post like this likely scum)
#148 - Denmon, (Rej)
#149 - Denmon, (Rej, Alice)
#151 - Denmon, Fait
#152 - Daddy (Ping - This reinforces my townread on Daddy)
#153 - Denmon (Fait, Ansa)
#154 - Daddy, Fait
#155 - Nika
#156 - Fait
#235 - Teddy
#237 - Denmon, Ansa
#238 - Denmon
#239 - Fait, Daddy
#240 - Teddy (Ping - This reinforces my townread on Teddy)
#242 - Denmon
#243 - Fait
#245 - Daddy
#247 - Fait, (Daddy)
#248 - Fait
#252 - Fait
#253 - Fait
#255 - Ansa, Rej, Alice
#257 - Fait
#292 - Denmon, (Fait, Elmage)
#329 - Fait
#333 - Alice
#342 - Teddy
#344 - Teddy
#348 - Teddy

Fait - 12+(2)
Denmon - 10
Alice - 5+(1)

Daddy - 5+(1)
Teddy - 5

Ansa - 2+(1)
Rej - 1+(2)


SK is not remotely close to as good as Michelle at the game and Michelle successfully, so I feel pretty comfortable with this numerical mentions analysis.

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LAL analysis for giggles -

Daddy - 108
Teddy - 82


Rej - 34
Ansa+Guilty - 33


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Town

Osie
Fait
Denmon
Alice
Nika


Daddy
Teddy


Ansa/Guilty
Rej

SK

Scum


I may read what's happened Day 2 so far some time before EoD.

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Lamest analysis I have ever seen.

My vote was on you since SoD and I will not change it. But thanks for the entertainment Osie. Lmao.
 
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