[Photoshop] DeadPool

[Preta]

THE render isnt lighting the flares goddammit..
You moron..some of the flares are just behind of him and there are ONLY 2 main light sources. The flares behind him dont do shit..

Yawn. Leave it to a cheap hack who steals styles and cheeses tutorials to have no grasp of the simplest notions of design.

The flares behind him do have an effect on his edges. Go stand in front of a light and tell me that because it is behind you it has no effect on you, you lilliputian. That is design 101. And let us not forget the fact that, as you will see circled in bright green by myself, the largest flare, which is right in front of the render is also having no effect. Care to explain that one? No? I didn't think so.

There is really nothing to debate here. He said very plainly that the light sources were on his render. He even demonstrated it with a picture. Are you from a non-english speaking country? Honestly. I ask not to be rude, only because I think it is impossible for someone to be this thick, and so perhaps something is getting lost in translation. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Sin]

Yawn. Leave it to a cheap hack who steals styles and cheeses tutorials to have no grasp of the simplest notions of design.

The flares behind him do have an effect on his edges. Go stand in front of a light and tell me that because it is behind you it has no effect on you, you lilliputian. That is design 101. And let us not forget the fact that, as you will see circled in bright green by myself, the largest flare, which is right in front of the render is also having no effect. Care to explain that one? No? I didn't think so.

There is really nothing to debate here. He said very plainly that the light sources were on his render. He even demonstrated it with a picture. Are you from a non-english speaking country? Honestly. I ask not to be rude, only because I think it is impossible for someone to be this thick, and so perhaps something is getting lost in translation. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Can you just shut up?

It would be better for everyone that way.

 

[kisamexRocks]

Dude, chill. -_-
You said what you needed to say. You pointed out your own opinion.
Kisame and Mihawk are awesome gfxers, they know what a light source is.
You just came one day and started giving cnc to everyone after seeing one or two of their works. Even though you're trying to help, you're not doing it correctly. It just looks like you're trying to point out how much you know or w/e. The light is alright in the sig. Everyone has their view of the sig.
And there I thought design hall was a peaceful place. x)

True true, you are a better Gfxer than me so I appreciate the compliment

I did not create the petty argument, so please do not blame me for doing something that would end it. If you read my first comment you see NOTHING but kindness. I even started off by saying he did a good job, then I pointed out his lighting mistake in a helpful manner.

I think you're confused as to what a light source is in this context. A light source is anything on the viewable image which would give off light and therefore affect anything that light would touch. Flares/suns/sparkles, anything that stands out as radiant, must give off radiance to make a comprehensive image. There are of course exceptions, such as when the light source is in the far away background and would therefore have no effect on the things nearer to the viewer.

One does not get to "choose" how many light sources to work with in a design. If you have 5 light-bulbs hanging near your character, he must be properly reacting with each. you do not get to say "I'm not going to shade him to interact with the first 3 bulbs, only the last 2." If you do that the image has a major flaw. Imagine the oddness of a man standing right behind a lamp and yet being in complete shadow. That is something you want to avoid.


My changes were for the sake of brevity. I did not in any way change the context of the conversation.

This all comes down to one simple thing. If you cannot take CnC, do not ask for it. I was polite, I was honest, and now I'm the bad guy because I corrected his mistake.:hug:

Actually you did create the argument by posting your "vast" knowledge of lighting and how colors should complement each other as well as composition. Re-read the entire conversation, you started by saying the renders lighting is way off what it should be, compared to colors, then it went from there. Please try to reread everything before claiming you never started anything.

Actually they do, you add 1 light source, therefore, you chose 1 light source. if you have 5 lightbulbs, you don't need to have them all be working with the render. you always have a choice in lighting and how much lighting effects you can make. you are the designer, things follow your rules. Plus behind a lamp? You have to understand there are a variety of lamps and each with a different outcome on a person if he were to stand behind it. some can have shadowy figures to dark figures while others wont. it's all in the type of lamp, buddy.

Again, reread your entire conversation with Mihawk, and you'll see you did change the conversation. Anyone can take CnC if it was given properly, but you didn't really end up doing it properly. You started to have an argument and you resorted to copying his sig, putting it in paint, circling a bunch of "light sources" in which you completely missed 3-4 apparent "light sources" and tried to make yourself seem knowledgeable that way.

There is really nothing to debate here. He said very plainly that the light sources were on his render. He even demonstrated it with a picture. Are you from a non-english speaking country? Honestly. I ask not to be rude, only because I think it is impossible for someone to be this thick, and so perhaps something is getting lost in translation. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

You do realize what a render is?

And how you have to work with the type of lighting that is already on the thing itself. There was one to the right. a bright yellow and a secondary to the left, white. 2 light sources. Then flares/effects were used. And somehow, someway, according to you, magical light spots/sources were created all over the background making it seem that more than 1 light source was used.

Just because someone is of a different country doesn't mean they are worse in English than you. He could very well be better in writing and speaking of the english language than you could possibly try to be. This is where you become pathetic. You have nothing to say so you go after other things such as possibly, posts, designs, tutorials/style they use, different location they live in or the way they type in a different language they aren't originally familiar with.

 

[Preta]

True true, you are a better Gfxer than me so I appreciate the compliment



Actually you did create the argument by posting your "vast" knowledge of lighting and how colors should complement each other as well as composition. Re-read the entire conversation, you started by saying the renders lighting is way off what it should be, compared to colors, then it went from there. Please try to reread everything before claiming you never started anything.

Well let me start by saying thank you for making a sensible post without constant name calling and baseless remarks. It is refreshing, even if it long.

Though I must disagree immediately with your point, only because it has quite missed the point. Did I do any name calling in my post? Did I set forth any sort of challenge? Did I do anything other than give proper CnC? I did not "start something," with my original post, I simply critiqued a sig in a polite manner. If one cannot do that without being responsible for starting a fight, then the art of CnC is dead. Since when does saying "your lighting is off" make you a squabbler? I find it hard to believe that you actually believe that.

Actually they do, you add 1 light source, therefore, you chose 1 light source. if you have 5 lightbulbs, you don't need to have them all be working with the render. you always have a choice in lighting and how much lighting effects you can make. you are the designer, things follow your rules. Plus behind a lamp? You have to understand there are a variety of lamps and each with a different outcome on a person if he were to stand behind it. some can have shadowy figures to dark figures while others wont. it's all in the type of lamp, buddy.

Again, my CnC was simply advice. Sure, if you have five lights you can choose to ignore them all, but that is not proper design, that is not even proper physics. You are correct that he has every right to ignore lighting in his sig, but I have every right to point out where he has ignored it without being attacked for trying to help.

Again, reread your entire conversation with Mihawk, and you'll see you did change the conversation. Anyone can take CnC if it was given properly, but you didn't really end up doing it properly. You started to have an argument and you resorted to copying his sig, putting it in paint, circling a bunch of "light sources" in which you completely missed 3-4 apparent "light sources" and tried to make yourself seem knowledgeable that way.

Nonsense. I never changed the conversation, and you know as much. I changed with the conversation in order to defend myself from his baseless attacks and nothing more. My first CnC was nothing but proper, and therefore, according to your own words, he should have been able to take it. But he did not take it, he attacked me for it. Do not try to pin that on me.

You do realize what a render is?

And how you have to work with the type of lighting that is already on the thing itself. There was one to the right. a bright yellow and a secondary to the left, white. 2 light sources. Then flares/effects were used. And somehow, someway, according to you, magical light spots/sources were created all over the background making it seem that more than 1 light source was used.

Well, up until this point it was a pleasant post. Before you lecture me on working with the lighting already on the render, you may want to read up and see that I have already said that is something you can do. But if you do not, you must change it accordingly. When flares are used, they do become sources of light, because flares are a radiant object. Again, he can choose to ignore that, but it looks wrong when he does so because the lighting makes no logical sense. He has a giant flare basically sitting on the characters chest and yet his chest is complete shadow? Again. Just trying to help.

Just because someone is of a different country doesn't mean they are worse in English than you. He could very well be better in writing and speaking of the english language than you could possibly try to be. This is where you become pathetic. You have nothing to say so you go after other things such as possibly, posts, designs, tutorials/style they use, different location they live in or the way they type in a different language they aren't originally familiar with.

Oh stop it, now you have completely fallen off the tracks. I stated very clearly that I did not mean it as an insult in anyway, I was simply asking because he seemed to be having trouble understanding me and wanted to know if there may have been a language barrier. You are trying to fan the flames and make something out of nothing, you can have the "pathetic" all to yourself.

 

[kisamexRocks]

Well let me start by saying thank you for making a sensible post without constant name calling and baseless remarks. It is refreshing, even if it long.

All of my posts that I have created in this thread do not have any name calling, I don't understand why you have to say that now.

Though I must disagree immediately with your point, only because it has quite missed the point. Did I do any name calling in my post? Did I set forth any sort of challenge? Did I do anything other than give proper CnC? I did not "start something," with my original post, I simply critiqued a sig in a polite manner. If one cannot do that without being responsible for starting a fight, then the art of CnC is dead. Since when does saying "your lighting is off" make you a squabbler? I find it hard to believe that you actually believe that.

CnC is suppose to be polite, not in a fashion that shows how much you "know" about sig making and designs, the way you made your sigs shows how much of a "douche" you are, I'm not name calling I'm just explaining to you how your posts start fights in forums.

Again, my CnC was simply advice. Sure, if you have five lights you can choose to ignore them all, but that is not proper design, that is not even proper physics. You are correct that he has every right to ignore lighting in his sig, but I have every right to point out where he has ignored it without being attacked for trying to help.

It wasn't advice, it was more of a complaint, "your character isn't following it's color suit." isn't advice it's a complaint. The designer makes the design, if he/she wants 2 of the 5 lights to work then 2 of the 5 lights will work, you do not need all lights to be working to make a good sig. You do have a right but there is a line, you should have never taken his work and circle errors or mistakes. It would have been easier and less ignorant to point them out in text than to take someones work and "correct"

Nonsense. I never changed the conversation, and you know as much. I changed with the conversation in order to defend myself from his baseless attacks and nothing more. My first CnC was nothing but proper, and therefore, according to your own words, he should have been able to take it. But he did not take it, he attacked me for it. Do not try to pin that on me.

Actually you have, you changed the wording to make it seem Mihawk is the bad guy and you are the innocent helper. You said his lighting was off, he said there was 2, then you said there's more, circled his "light sources" and it ended up going on from there. Plus his character lighting wasn't following suit? Since when is it a rule that a renders lighting must follow a suit for it to be considered a good sig?

Well, up until this point it was a pleasant post. Before you lecture me on working with the lighting already on the render, you may want to read up and see that I have already said that is something you can do. But if you do not, you must change it accordingly. When flares are used, they do become sources of light, because flares are a radiant object. Again, he can choose to ignore that, but it looks wrong when he does so because the lighting makes no logical sense. He has a giant flare basically sitting on the characters chest and yet his chest is complete shadow? Again. Just trying to help.

It looks wrong? It looks good in my opinion but you don't care about that because you want him to fix his sig to your liking. Perhaps the flair is behind or close to the edge of the chest, making it seem improper but fits perfectly with the render.

Oh stop it, now you have completely fallen off the tracks. I stated very clearly that I did not mean it as an insult in anyway, I was simply asking because he seemed to be having trouble understanding me and wanted to know if there may have been a language barrier. You are trying to fan the flames and make something out of nothing, you can have the "pathetic" all to yourself.

"Are you from a non-english speaking country? Honestly. I ask not to be rude, only because I think it is impossible for someone to be this thick, and so perhaps something is getting lost in translation. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt."

Not pathetic at all huh? Still going into that type of deal is pathetic no matter what. Kinda makes it seem like an insult that they aren't understanding anything, kinda like how you aren't understanding the GFXers who are extremely good and are way better than you. You should take their advice instead of giving your own and acting way too good with it.

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[Preta]

All of my posts that I have created in this thread do not have any name calling, I don't understand why you have to say that now.

It was not directed at you. I meant that the thread had thus far been filled with name calling and you did not engage. I was talking about other people, I thought that was rather obvious, but now you might understand that whole lost in translation thing.


CnC is suppose to be polite, not in a fashion that shows how much you "know" about sig making and designs, the way you made your sigs shows how much of a "douche" you are, I'm not name calling I'm just explaining to you how your posts start fights in forums.

There was nothing rude in my original CnC. End of story. If you think there was, feel free to point it out.

It wasn't advice, it was more of a complaint, "your character isn't following it's color suit." isn't advice it's a complaint. The designer makes the design, if he/she wants 2 of the 5 lights to work then 2 of the 5 lights will work, you do not need all lights to be working to make a good sig. You do have a right but there is a line, you should have never taken his work and circle errors or mistakes. It would have been easier and less ignorant to point them out in text than to take someones work and "correct"

Wow, really? A complaint? It was advice. I told him that his character was not reacting with his lighting, that is not a complaint, that is obviously advice to have your character react to your lighting. I do not care about a sig made by someone else nearly enough to complain about it...


Actually you have, you changed the wording to make it seem Mihawk is the bad guy and you are the innocent helper. You said his lighting was off, he said there was 2, then you said there's more, then he said YOU MUST BE BLIND, then you circled his "light sources" and it ended up going on from there. Plus his character lighting wasn't following suit? Since when is it a rule that a renders lighting must follow a suit for it to be considered a good sig?

You conveniently missed one step in the discussion.

You do not have to light properly, or blend properly, or do anything properly. But if people cannot correct everything you did improperly, there is no point to CnC...



It looks wrong? It looks good in my opinion but you don't care about that because you want him to fix his sig to your liking. Perhaps the flair is behind or close to the edge of the chest, making it seem improper but fits perfectly with the render.
I don't want him to fix his sig to my liking, I don't like the style of the sig to begin with, so that is quite impossible. But I did not say that did I? I simply pointed out where he could improve in the sig he was working on.


Not pathetic at all huh? Still going into that type of deal is pathetic no matter what. Kinda makes it seem like an insult that they aren't understanding anything, kinda like how you aren't understanding the GFXers who are extremely good and are way better than you. You should take their advice instead of giving your own and acting way too good with it.

I don;t get it. You quoted what I said, but all i said was exactly what i said I said. O.O You even quoted me saying "I do not mean this as an insult."...

As for the last half, yawn. What advice? Using your render as a lighting source? Or reacting to all help with hostility and whining?

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[kisamexRocks]

Read all your posts again, I'm sure with your vast knowledge in CnC, you'll find where you messed up in trying to act nice but really seemed way off. All I have to say is don't give CnC unless you can back it up with your sigs. There is really no need to continue if you aren't willing to actually listen to others.

 

[Preta]

Read all your posts again, I'm sure with your vast knowledge in CnC, you'll find where you messed up in trying to act nice but really seemed way off. All I have to say is don't give CnC unless you can back it up with your sigs. There is really no need to continue if you aren't willing to actually listen to others.

CnC has nothing to do with sigs. CnC speaks for itself. If someone gives you advice and it improves your design, the advice was sound. I don;t care if they like to draw unicorns (I LOVE to draw unicorns).

You are correct, there is no need to continue. There is no need to continue because he ignored light sources, and called his render his light source. And that is an end to the matter.

 

[MihawK]

Well seems like im totally of here, so i'll just say for you Preta... Reading tutorials over GFX forums didn't help you somehow, then go and just check it in real life, take moon light on you from the left, explosion light on the right and sparkles on the back and then we will see if those sparkles on the back will change major lighting on you... and btw, if you want your works to ever look good, try to match your light sources with the main lights depending on render..

 

[Preta]

Well seems like im totally of here, so i'll just say for you Preta... Reading tutorials over GFX forums didn't help you somehow, then go and just check it in real life, take moon light on you from the left, explosion light on the right and sparkles on the back and then we will see if those sparkles on the back will change major lighting on you... and btw, if you want your works to ever look good, try to match your light sources with the main lights depending on render..

Take moon light an explosion and sparkles? How exactly does on recreate that in the real world..........................................?

If I take moonlight on the left, my left is lit. Explosion on the right, well that's not helpful, how big of an explosion? Well, whatever, now my left is lit, and my right is lit in a hot orange, and the sparkles...well, we'll call them fireflies, and they light my back in green dots. However if they are the size of your "sparkles," the light crawls over my back and outlines my shoulders, down to about my upper pectorals, and hair. And of course, you forgot about the giant light right over the guys chest. If there is a giant light on my chest...my chest is lit.

Your example did...nothing.

If you ever want your works to look good, stop enabling yourself with friends who cannot bring themselves to be honest with you.

Kiss kiss. bang bang. Bye for now.

 

[kisamexRocks]

Use your imagination to create the scenario of moonlight, and explosion and sparkles. See how it changes the whole picture. He gave you information on what he used to create his lighting in his signature.

Now that was pathetic, using the "friends that lie about how good your work is" line, really really pathetic.

 

[MihawK]

Take moon light an explosion and sparkles? How exactly does on recreate that in the real world..........................................?

If I take moonlight on the left, my left is lit. Explosion on the right, well that's not helpful, how big of an explosion? Well, whatever, now my left is lit, and my right is lit in a hot orange, and the sparkles...well, we'll call them fireflies, and they light my back in green dots. However if they are the size of your "sparkles," the light crawls over my back and outlines my shoulders, down to about my upper pectorals, and hair. And of course, you forgot about the giant light right over the guys chest. If there is a giant light on my chest...my chest is lit.

Your example did...nothing.

If you ever want your works to look good, stop enabling yourself with friends who cannot bring themselves to be honest with you.

Kiss kiss. bang bang. Bye for now.

Oh nice imagination,too bad it fails if you know 3d, you can check it up there :> oh and thanks to you i had to use c4d at last....

i hope you get it this time, since ur imagination fails :

You must be registered for see images

oh and btw i have only 1 friend here tho i remember the time there were alot of haterz like you

 

[Ali G MPGH]

Yawn. Leave it to a cheap hack who steals styles and cheeses tutorials to have no grasp of the simplest notions of design.

The flares behind him do have an effect on his edges. Go stand in front of a light and tell me that because it is behind you it has no effect on you, you lilliputian. That is design 101. And let us not forget the fact that, as you will see circled in bright green by myself, the largest flare, which is right in front of the render is also having no effect. Care to explain that one? No? I didn't think so.

There is really nothing to debate here. He said very plainly that the light sources were on his render. He even demonstrated it with a picture. Are you from a non-english speaking country? Honestly. I ask not to be rude, only because I think it is impossible for someone to be this thick, and so perhaps something is getting lost in translation. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

after reading your comment, i realized, that 99% of gfxers are stealing each others styles

 

[Alucard]

This reminds me of NarutoGoku vs Bankai :|

 

[Preta]

Use your imagination to create the scenario of moonlight, and explosion and sparkles. See how it changes the whole picture. He gave you information on what he used to create his lighting in his signature.

Now that was pathetic, using the "friends that lie about how good your work is" line, really really pathetic.

I did not see a moon in his signature. I do not see an explosion (unless he is trying to pass off galaxy brushing as an explosion).

When you create an image you are creating something for others to look at, not just yourself. And this is why rules of lighting/blending/depth etc., exist. If you do not think he should have to light his work properly, then why stop at light? Kill all CnC, destroy all rules, let anarchy reign. Who are you to tell me my sig has no depth, even if it is as flat as a pancake? Perhaps I "Imagined" it having depth. Who are you to tell me my sig doesn't blend? Perhaps I "Imagined" orange and purple blending with dark brown. What you will be critiqued on is what is in your sig, not what you imagine in your head. His lighting does not work because the radiant objects in his sig are not properly effecting his character. End of story.

I don't care if he imagined it working with a moon. I don't care if he imagined a rainbow in the distance. You cannot CnC imagination and you cannot design imagination. To quote a good friend of mine. "really really pathetic."

Oh nice imagination,too bad it fails if you know 3d, you can check it up there :> oh and thanks to you i had to use c4d at last....

i hope you get it this time, since ur imagination fails :

oh and btw i have only 1 friend here tho i remember the time there were alot of haterz like you

Looks like you missed a few lights.

I am not a "hater." This is the whole problem. I have done nothing but try to give you helpful advice and you have gotten angry at me for doing so. Your paper thin skin will not allow you to take a helpful critique and so you go page after page trying to disprove logic. You are nothing new in the world of design, you're not the first person to shout down everyone who dares point out a flaw in his mediocre work, and you will not be the last.

 

[Grim]

Looks like you missed a few lights.

I am not a "hater." This is the whole problem. I have done nothing but try to give you helpful advice and you have gotten angry at me for doing so. Your paper thin skin will not allow you to take a helpful critique and so you go page after page trying to disprove logic. You are nothing new in the world of design, you're not the first person to shout down everyone who dares point out a flaw in his mediocre work, and you will not be the last.

ouch, few things u dont understand and said it wrong here

1. ur comments ''CnC'' are in some way helful but you think ur smarter then we are, better then we are... ur arguing and trying to prove that everyone is wrong, except you. ur ignorant....u dont care about others opinions since ur the star... it's good in real life it gives u self confidence to do things but here u just ****ed up

2. ''nothing new'' Mihawk is the man who made rendered signature style
for 5-6 year of beang on the forums of mmo,l2, anime i havent seen anyone else making it or did you?


3. light theory was proven in my opinion

4. u need to get leied. to much text comming from you....is it even posiblie that someone reads this broken record?

 

[Preta]

ouch, few things u dont understand and said it wrong here

1. ur comments ''CnC'' are in some way helful but you think ur smarter then we are, better then we are... ur arguing and trying to prove that everyone is wrong, except you. ur ignorant....u dont care about others opinions since ur the star... it's good in real life it gives u self confidence to do things but here u just ****ed up

Again you are just chasing your tail. No where in my CnC did I say "I'm smarter than you," all I did was give advice on his lighting, telling him his character should react to his radiant objects. How is that arrogant? Pointing out a mistake is arrogant? Then by that logic, all CnC is arrogant and you should never give advice to anyone.

2. ''nothing new'' Mihawk is the man who made rendered signature style
for 5-6 year of beang on the forums of mmo,l2, anime i havent seen anyone else making it or did you?

I honestly cannot understand what you're saying here.

3. light theory was proven in my opinion

This is not philosophy class, we are not trying to "prove" theories. Go hold a light bulb in front of your chest and see how you react to it. This is not a theory, this is natural law.

4. u need to get leied. to much text comming from you....is it even posiblie that someone reads this broken record?

What is leied? And clearly you read this broken record because you are responding to it. Genius...

However if I typed in your embarrassing grammar with your absolute lack of foundation, I think I would hate text as well. So I don't really blame you.

 

[MihawK]

Again you are just chasing your tail. No where in my CnC did I say "I'm smarter than you," all I did was give advice on his lighting, telling him his character should react to his radiant objects. How is that arrogant? Pointing out a mistake is arrogant? Then by that logic, all CnC is arrogant and you should never give advice to anyone.

I honestly cannot understand what you're saying here.

This is not philosophy class, we are not trying to "prove" theories. Go hold a light bulb in front of your chest and see how you react to it. This is not a theory, this is natural law.

What is leied? And clearly you read this broken record because you are responding to it. Genius...

However if I typed in your embarrassing grammar with your absolute lack of foundation, I think I would hate text as well. So I don't really blame you.

you failed by answering every comment made here ) you should have just givent c&c and advices for me as you said, but you ended up arguing with everyone :/

 

[Grim]

the point is.. you leave cnc and thats it.. w/e is it accepted or not, you dont have to prove ur point 'u made it thats it' couse it does look like u just trying to prove us something no one else actualy care about, but its hard to ignor about my grammar it's just a low kick from ur side, but atleast i speak 4 languages and dont have problems with understanding english it's not my home language, it doesnt feed me, i need it only to watch movies and reply to pricks like you... it will do

 

[Preta]

you failed by answering every comment made here ) you should have just givent c&c and advices for me as you said, but you ended up arguing with everyone :/

Are you attempting to make yourself look foolish? Perhaps you're a masochist? O.O

I did give CnC and advice to you and left it at that. I only posted again when you called me a liar and a blind man for pointing out your rather obvious mistake. In all irony, it was you who started the discussion, and it was you who should have simply read my CnC and left it at that.

the point is.. you leave cnc and thats it.. w/e is it accepted or not, you dont have to prove ur point 'u made it thats it' couse it does look like u just trying to prove us something no one else actualy care about, but its hard to ignor about my grammar it's just a low kick from ur side, but atleast i speak 4 languages and dont have problems with understanding english it's not my home language, it doesnt feed me, i need it only to watch movies and reply to pricks like you... it will do

Same thing I just said to your friend. I did not begin the discussion, he did. Go back, read the comments, end of story. I left the CnC, I left, I only returned to defend myself.

So apparently I'm being blamed for starting arguments by defending myself? Is your logic that shallow? Or just that bias?

A: Your character should react to lighting.

B: He is, there are only two light sources! Only a blind man would count more than two light sources!

A: *Defends himself, and physics*

C-D-E-F-G: HEY A! STOP STARTING ARGUMENTS!!!

It's like a really bad comedy routine...and I love the double standard we have working here. Apparently if he makes a comment directed at me, I should ignore it. But he is more than welcome to respond to comments directed at him. Gotcha. That makes sense.:|