Damn Kishi Trolles Us Once Again And I Thought Izanami was Itachi's Best TEchnique ?

[Owarij]

For both cases, they were in a mindset where they could not fail. The uchiha thought that they were invincible with izanagi and kabuto thought that he wouldn't lose the fight. They thought that they were perfect.

Helping people to realize there shortcomings is its only use as even itachi stated that its not useful in a battle where the user does realize his mistakes. It just wouldn't work on them as there is nothing for izanami to decide .

Itachi specifically said it was originally made to stop the uchihas for relying on jutsu (izanagi) and accept their destiny (Death/Injury or w.e mistake)

In Kabuto's case he says Kabuto has to stop trying to be other people, And accept himself, THEN he will escape

Two ENTIRELY different things , the latter is made to fit kabuto's specific case

 

[Draegod]

Look at what it was used on kabuto for, and look at what he said it was used on uchiha's for

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Which means the criteria for izanagi can change depending on the caster... Kabuto has a specific problem with finding himself, so that's what he must over come.. the caster of izanagi decides the person's destiny..

Bro i know you love itachi and all, but.. The tech is designed to make the user accept their reality and stop "running" in a sense

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. Its a tech that makes the affected person accept the destiny.

Plus the fact it takes time to actually pull off.

 

[Owarij]

Bro i know you love itachi and all, but.. The tech is designed to make the user accept their reality and stop "running" in a sense

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. Its a tech that makes the affected person accept the destiny.

Plus the fact it takes time to actually pull off.

Itachi fully well explained it..

Kabuto's situation is NOTHING, like what happened with the uchiha.

They were using izanmai to escape their mistakes and change their destiny


Kabuto is trying to become other people by implanting dna and has forgotten who he is... or refuses to accept himself


What part of it do you not get?

With izanami the caster chooses a destiny for the person in which they will have to accept or they will be stuck..

Simple actually...
Theoretically it would work for anything the caster decides..

 

[fastrthnwind]

Itachi specifically said it was originally made to stop the uchihas for relying on jutsu (izanagi) and accept their destiny (Death/Injury or w.e mistake)

In Kabuto's case he says Kabuto has to stop trying to be other people, And accept himself, THEN he will escape

Two ENTIRELY different things , the latter is made to fit kabuto's specific case

They needed to accept their actual destiny. Something that any normal shinobi who acknowledges his mistakes, is able to do.

 

[Bogard]

Look at what it was used on kabuto for, and look at what he said it was used on uchiha's for

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Which means the criteria for izanagi can change depending on the caster... Kabuto has a specific problem with finding himself, so that's what he must over come.. the caster of izanagi decides the person's destiny..

That means you didn't understand his explanation. It was set up the same way against Uchiha or against Kabuto. It's the same. Anyway Itachi already explained it. "when you acknowledge your result, and stop trying to run away(Izanagi avoid the way of dying for example by changing destiny, like Kabuto avoid to be himself), the jutsu dissolves".

That shows that this technic is useless against someone like Naruto for example who always believe in him and has no doubt at all

 

[Owarij]

That means you didn't understand his explanation. It was set up the same way against Uchiha or against Kabuto. It's the same. Anyway Itachi already explained it. "when you acknowledge your result, and stop trying to run away(Izanagi avoid the way of dying for example by changing destiny, like Kabuto avoid to be himself), the jutsu dissolves".

That shows that this technic is useless against someone like Naruto for example who always believe in him and has no doubt at all

Kabuto NEVER changed his destiny, kabuto doesn't have the capabilities to change his destiny... He was trying to be other people, he was trying to be orochimaru because he never liked himself..

While back then it was used to stop uchihas who were escaping their mistakes, Itachi shows he can use it how he wished... In kabuto's case accepting himself...

That shows that this technic is useless against someone like Naruto for example who always believe in him and has no doubt at all

You do not get how this technique is deadly,
It can WORK for anything,

EG, Naruto had a little problem in which he was trying to take on the entire war by himself.. you remember that right? then itachi gave him a talk saying he'd end up like tobi?

Good , lets say that never happened ^ the talk that is... Itachi could easily use izanami on him, So that he would have to accept that he needs help from others or he would never escape..

And considering IF YOU DON'T tell the person what they need to do, they will never escape..

EG , Itachi told kabuto "Remember, I hold your destiny in my hands but you are the one who decides it" ,
If naruto doesn't understand what he must do in izanami he would be stuck in it forever..

He can tweak izanami for anyone depending on any flaw in them.. And as itachi said Perfection does not exist

 

[fastrthnwind]

Itachi fully well explained it..

Kabuto's situation is NOTHING, like what happened with the uchiha.

They were using izanmai to escape their mistakes and change their destiny


Kabuto is trying to become other people by implanting dna and has forgotten who he is... or refuses to accept himself


What part of it do you not get?

With izanami the caster chooses a destiny for the person in which they will have to accept or they will be stuck..

Simple actually...
Theoretically it would work for anything the caster decides..

They don't choose the destiny, they just force the user to take the path that they wer meant to take all along instead of just changing the results. In Kabuto's case, he needs to realize that he is who he is and not someone else.

Kabuto NEVER changed his destiny, kabuto doesn't have the capabilities to change his destiny... He was trying to be other people, he was trying to be orochimaru because he never liked himself..

While back then it was used to stop uchihas who were escaping their mistakes, Itachi shows he can use it how he wished... In kabuto's case accepting himself...

He is trying to change himself in order to change his destiny

 

[Blaze Release]

So it looks like i was right after all.
Izanami or izanagi do not need senju dna because its an uchiha knijutsu
Izanami was started at 580
Itachi was trolling kabuto the whole time and yes he is stronger than sm kabuto

 

[Owarij]

They don't choose the destiny, they just force the user to take the path that they wer meant to take all along instead of just changing the results. In Kabuto's case, he needs to realize that he is who he is and not someone else.



He is trying to change himself in order to change his destiny

They don't choose the destiny, they just force the user to take the path that they wer meant to take all along instead of just changing the results. In Kabuto's case, he needs to realize that he is who he is and not someone else.

You still don't get it, Kabuto didn't have any one path...Kabuto has many flaws.. he's arrogant and thinks he's above everyone.. That to could have been used izanami... His one big problem that Itachi noticed, was that he was attempting to become other people by implanting dna... Itachi used that against him to make him accept himself and not others..

He could have very well used it to make him accept that he wasn't the best at everything and not all powerfull

etc..

There are many ways to use izanami depending on each person... Back then it was just used on uchihas to stop running from their mistakes, whether is be injury or death (through izanagi) and accept their destiny..

 

[Dantee]

that dosnt mean its the only purpose kabuto dosnt know izanagi

that's what i said. :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::sy:

 

[Bogard]

Kabuto NEVER changed his destiny, kabuto doesn't have the capabilities to change his destiny... He was trying to be other people, he was trying to be orochimaru because he never liked himself..

While back then it was used to stop uchihas who were escaping their mistakes, Itachi shows he can use it how he wished... In kabuto's case accepting himself...

Itachi already said how Izanami works and he even gave a general case how to stop the technique, and you can see it on the page you show me. He said:
"when you acknowledge your result, and stop trying to run away, the jutsu dissolves".

The result here means a lot of things. The result of being himself for Kabuto, or the result of being stabbed by arrows for example in Danzos case(not changing destiny with Izanagi). These are things you want to change but if you accept them, and don't want to change them, Izanami is useless.

That why he said Izanami was forbidden. Cuz it's a technique that could fail, not sure it will work. He even said that this technic can't really be used in an actual fight.

 

[fastrthnwind]

You still don't get it, Kabuto didn't have any one path...Kabuto has many flaws.. he's arrogant and thinks he's above everyone.. That to could have been used izanami... His one big problem that Itachi noticed, was that he was attempting to become other people by implanting dna... Itachi used that against him to make him accept himself and not others..

He could have very well used it to make him accept that he wasn't the best at everything and not all powerfull

etc..

There are many ways to use izanami depending on each person... Back then it was just used on uchihas to stop running from their mistakes, whether is be injury or death (through izanagi) and accept their destiny..

Kabuto thought that there was only one path that he could choose, the path of victory and invincibility, where he could never be defeated because he had taken other peoples abilities.

Its all connected, as Izanami was used to help him realize his mistakes in trying to not be himself and, in doing so, taking other people powers to try make himself all powerful.

Itachi already said how Izanami works and he even gave a general case how to stop the technique, and you can see it on the page you show me. He said:
"when you acknowledge your result, and stop trying to run away, the jutsu dissolves".

The result here means a lot of things. The result of being himself for Kabuto, or the result of being stabbed by arrows for example in Danzos case(not changing destiny with Izanagi). These are things you want to change but if you accept them, and don't want to change them, Izanami is useless.

That why he said Izanami was forbidden. Cuz it's a technique that could fail, not sure it will work. He even said that this technic can't really be used in an actual fight.

This further emphasizes my point.

 

[Dantee]

Itachi already said how Izanami works and he even gave a general case how to stop the technique, and you can see it on the page you show me. He said:
"when you acknowledge your result, and stop trying to run away, the jutsu dissolves".

The result here means a lot of things. The result of being himself for Kabuto, or the result of being stabbed by arrows for example in Danzos case(not changing destiny with Izanagi). These are things you want to change but if you accept them, and don't want to change them, Izanami is useless.

That why he said Izanami was forbidden. Cuz it's a technique that could fail, not sure it will work. He even said that this technic can't really be used in an actual fight.

Once someone is stuck in the loop their body just stands there. Furthormore if Itachi wanted to kill Kabuto right now he'd be dead. Itachi contradicts himself while as the technique can be broken, he used it in a fight anyway.

 

[Draegod]

Itachi fully well explained it..

Kabuto's situation is NOTHING, like what happened with the uchiha.

They were using izanmai to escape their mistakes and change their destiny


Kabuto is trying to become other people by implanting dna and has forgotten who he is... or refuses to accept himself


What part of it do you not get?

With izanami the caster chooses a destiny for the person in which they will have to accept or they will be stuck..

Simple actually...
Theoretically it would work for anything the caster decides..

But what you fail to realize is it can be escaped from! Itachi literally says this himself! And the destiny one cast has to be one obtainable. Not some BS you think like "kill yourself" or "destroy the ninja world", that is KoTO jutsu that shisu has, that is the jutsu that forces you to do something you do not want!

You need to realise the jutsu has major draw backs its in the manga dude!

 

[Owarij]

Itachi already said how Izanami works and he even gave a general case how to stop the technique, and you can see it on the page you show me. He said:
"when you acknowledge your result, and stop trying to run away, the jutsu dissolves".

The result here means a lot of things. The result of being himself for Kabuto, or the result of being stabbed by arrows for example in Danzos case(not changing destiny with Izanagi). These are things you want to change but if you accept them, and don't want to change them, Izanami is useless.

That why he said Izanami was forbidden. Cuz it's a technique that could fail, not sure it will work. He even said that this technic can't really be used in an actual fight.

"He blindly believes that he has attained everything and nothing is impossible for him, that's why he's afraid of failing and convinces himself that he could not possibly fail"

He blindly believes that he has attained everything and nothing is impossible for him, that's why he's afraid of failing and convinces himself that he could not possibly fail"

"To decieve myself I stopped trusting other people's strengths, In kabuto's case he convinced himself that other people's power is his own power"

"What he is doing is wrong, I want him to realize that before he dies"

"How long are you going to try to become like orochimaru? If you want to escape this loop, acknowledge your mistakes.."

Itachi is teaching Kabuto a lesson via izanami, and showing him that he can't become others , he isn't perfect and he has to become himself..

While for uchihas , They were to accept their mistakes , stop attempting to escape them and accept their destiny...

Itachi said this in perfect english.. and if you can't see that the situation and criteria deciding izanami differs person to person, then I don't know what else to say

But what you fail to realize is it can be escaped from! Itachi literally says this himself! And the destiny one cast has to be one obtainable. Not some BS you think like "kill yourself" or "destroy the ninja world", that is KoTO jutsu that shisu has, that is the jutsu that forces you to do something you do not want!

You need to realise the jutsu has major draw backs its in the manga dude!

Dude? wow there, I never said it can't be escaped.. But it can be used on everyone since as itachi said no one is perfect... Some ninjas will be able to accept faster than others and thus can break out faster, which is why it's forbidden... But in the end if you get someone in the loop, they stand in the position lifeless in any case.. and can be beheaded easily...

And it's also not that simple to get out as you think.. If the caster doesn't tell the person what it is they need to change, or continuously remind them about it..

How are they going to know? Itachi in the gnejutsu is constantly telling kabuto to accept himself, accept he isn't orochimaru...If he wasn't doing that, kabuto would be COMPLETELY clueless as to what was going on... he'd just be in a loop fighting itachi forever... This is why despite its drawbacks, it's still incredibly deadly....Itachi is trying to help kabuto right now however..

 

[fastrthnwind]

Once someone is stuck in the loop their body just stands there. Furthormore if Itachi wanted to kill Kabuto right now he'd be dead. Itachi contradicts himself while as the technique can be broken, he used it in a fight anyway.

The thing is, not everyone is like the uchiha. Kabuto, on the other hand, had a similar mindset where was invincible since he had all of these powers. Therefore, Itachi knew that the technique would work on him. If it was used on anyone else, they would understand that sometimes results don't always go their way, and the jutsu would just dissolve as there would be no purpose to it.

Itachi is teaching Kabuto a lesson via izanami, and showing him that he can't become others , he isn't perfect and he has to become himself..

While for uchihas , They were to accept their mistakes , stop attempting to escape them and accept their destiny...

They were trying to create change with powers that they thought were invincible. Nobody else has these kind of powers and therefore doesn't have this mindset where they think that everything will go their way

Dude? wow there, I never said it can't be escaped.. But it can be used on everyone since as itachi said no one is perfect... Some ninjas will be able to accept faster than others and thus can break out faster, which is why it's forbidden... But in the end if you get someone in the loop, they stand in the position lifeless in any case.. and can be beheaded easily...

Ok the person is caught, but then the justu dissolves immediately because the other user acknowledges that he isn't perfect

How are they going to know? Itachi in the gnejutsu is constantly telling kabuto to accept himself, accept he isn't orochimaru...If he wasn't doing that, kabuto would be COMPLETELY clueless as to what was going on... he'd just be in a loop fighting itachi forever... This is why despite its drawbacks, it's still incredibly deadly....Itachi is trying to help kabuto right now however..

They don't need to know if the jutsu dissolves once the user is in the right mindset. Most people know and accept that they aren't perfect

 

[Vin Thora]

Izanagi can be rigged In different ways.. are you all reading? back then it was used for them to accept death etc.. Itachi made it so Kabuto accepts who he is...It's still as op as last week.. nothing changed..

It can't only be used on making someone accept who they are and they can't be someone else -_-
that's kabuto's specific situation which itachi is trying to help him out with

No dude...Itachi clearly stated it was to stop people trying to go against their own innate destiny and purpose in life. Dont increase the scope of Izanami when the manga clearly states the purpose and nature of Izanami.

 

[Blaze Release]

Whilst its purpose might not be for battle it has successfully worked in one. Secondly you do realise that kabuto can be killed in that state at any time right?

 

[Owarij]

No dude...Itachi clearly stated it was to stop people trying to go against their own innate destiny and purpose in life. Dont increase the scope of Izanami when the manga clearly states the purpose and nature of Izanami.

Innate destiny? What? That makes no sense and you are contradicting yourself,,

If the persons destiny was to lose that fight and die that day, would they have to accept that?

no, it works on imperfections of people and accepting things

And as itachi said noone is perfect.... I brought up the point with the savior naruto, and his manner in thinking he could handle everything on his own and he needed no help from others..
^Perfect line up to get naruto in izanami..

 

[kit]

You still don't get it, Kabuto didn't have any one path...Kabuto has many flaws.. he's arrogant and thinks he's above everyone.. That to could have been used izanami... His one big problem that Itachi noticed, was that he was attempting to become other people by implanting dna... Itachi used that against him to make him accept himself and not others..

He could have very well used it to make him accept that he wasn't the best at everything and not all powerfull

etc..

There are many ways to use izanami depending on each person... Back then it was just used on uchihas to stop running from their mistakes, whether is be injury or death (through izanagi) and accept their destiny..

I agree. So far, Izanami has only been used against a person who has a negative flaw or belief. In theory, can't Izanami be used against a person who has a positive flaw or belief. For example, couldn't Izanami be used against Naruto for his belief that he will bring Sasuke back to the Leaf Village without fail (good, positive belief) the same way Izanami can be used against Tobi for his belief that he will carry out his Moon Eye plan without fail (negative belief)? If this is true then just about anything is up for grabs.