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He wasn't holding back, it's just that most of his jutsu were harmless to kaguya and he can't do a chibaku tensei strong enough to seal her on his own which is why the sage stepped in to do so.
 

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Thats what im saying, he knew his techs were useless yet he never gave up fighting. During that fight he had no choice but to play a supportive role for Naruto.
How are you so sure that he was not trying to conserve stamina and try to exhaust Naruto by letting Naruto fight and playing a "supportive role" to deceive everyone? He gave up fighting as he thought that Naruto could handle it and just used the supportive role excuse to not do anything until when it came to seal Kaguya. Sasuke fooled all of you and all of you are still in the dark. He evidently gave up fighting as he didn't use the Chibaku Tensei. If he really knew his techs were useless but never gave up fighting, he would still use it.
He wasn't holding back, it's just that most of his jutsu were harmless to kaguya and he can't do a chibaku tensei strong enough to seal her on his own which is why the sage stepped in to do so.
Sasuke already knew what the seal was for, evidently he would use the most efficient way to defeat Kaguya. That doesn't mean that he is not holding back, just that the seal is a more efficient way.
 
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Well he was technically handicapped in the battle against Kaguya since she could suck up chakra. Obviously he couldn't use his jutsu on her.

Naruto can't absorb chakra, so we finally get to see Sasuke's power.
 

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How are you so sure that he was not trying to conserve stamina and try to exhaust Naruto by letting Naruto fight and playing a "supportive role" to deceive everyone? He gave up fighting as he thought that Naruto could handle it and just used the supportive role excuse to not do anything until when it came to seal Kaguya. Sasuke fooled all of you and all of you are still in the dark. He evidently gave up fighting as he didn't use the Chibaku Tensei. If he really knew his techs were useless but never gave up fighting, he would still use it.

Sasuke already knew what the seal was for, evidently he would use the most efficient way to defeat Kaguya. That doesn't mean that he is not holding back, just that the seal is a more efficient way.
I disagree, she could not be defeated without it.
 

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I disagree, she could not be defeated without it.
It depends on your interpretation then. In my view, Naruto and Sasuke could probably have defeated Kaguya eventually without the seal, especially with the revelation that Sasuke has more Rinnegan techs that he was showing. It would have just taken longer. It's just that the seal was a more efficient way of doing things.
 

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How are you so sure that he was not trying to conserve stamina and try to exhaust Naruto by letting Naruto fight and playing a "supportive role" to deceive everyone? He gave up fighting as he thought that Naruto could handle it and just used the supportive role excuse to not do anything until when it came to seal Kaguya. Sasuke fooled all of you and all of you are still in the dark. He evidently gave up fighting as he didn't use the Chibaku Tensei. If he really knew his techs were useless but never gave up fighting, he would still use it.
Yeah because exhaustion is known to toll juubi jins, lol get real. Naruto had the chakra of all nine tailed beast + yang seal, you really think that was sasukes motive? When fighting kakashi told them to always fight with the intent to kill or they'd lose. Thats a basic rule, if sasuke didn't go all out he'd be dead. During the kaguya fight when he was trapped in the desert, he tried everything in his power to escape, when he was rescued he stated he was getting used too his eye and its power.
 

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It depends on your interpretation then. In my view, Naruto and Sasuke could probably have defeated Kaguya eventually without the seal, especially with the revelation that Sasuke has more Rinnegan techs that he was showing. It would have just taken longer. It's just that the seal was a more efficient way of doing things.
No, the yin/yang CT is the ultimate seal, the only one powerful enough to seal Kaguya.
 

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It depends on your interpretation then. In my view, Naruto and Sasuke could probably have defeated Kaguya eventually without the seal, especially with the revelation that Sasuke has more Rinnegan techs that he was showing. It would have just taken longer. It's just that the seal was a more efficient way of doing things.
It took the two of her sons to beat her the first time. The chibaku tensei that did imprison her was on a scale that makes all other seem small. clearly the author implies that she can not be defeated without the seals. Had she remained lose without the seals they would have been destroyed.
 
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It took the two of her sons to beat her the first time. The chibaku tensei that did imprison her was on a scale that makes all other seem small. clearly the author implies that she can not be defeated without the seals. Had she remained lose without the seals they would have been destroyed.
Exactly +Rep
 

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It took the two of her sons to beat her the first time. The chibaku tensei that did imprison her was on a scale that makes all other seem small. clearly the author implies that she can not be defeated without the seals. Had she remained lose without the seals they would have been destroyed.
Hamura is still featless as of now. Naruto and Sasuke may not necessarily be weaker than Hamura and Hagoromo, and if they are, who's to say that Hagoromo and Hamura couldn't have beaten Kaguya without the seal?I may be underrating Kaguya, but her feats are not really inspiring when Naruto managed to fight on equal ground with her for a period of time, but maybe its PIS.
 

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Hamura is still featless as of now. Naruto and Sasuke may not necessarily be weaker than Hamura and Hagoromo, and if they are, who's to say that Hagoromo and Hamura couldn't have beaten Kaguya without the seal?I may be underrating Kaguya, but her feats are not really inspiring when Naruto managed to fight on equal ground with her for a period of time, but maybe its PIS.
Kaguya was nerfed to hell and back, She could have warped them into separate dimensions a second time and without obito's/kakashi's help and sakura's yin seal they would be done. Kaguya also could have thrown sasuke in the acid dimension outright insta-killing him and not once did she think to retreat into a dimension to get away from the dynamic duo to recuperate and strategize.
 

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Well it seems as if Sasuke has 6path jutsu, but he did not use it against Kaguya, since he planned fighting against Kaguya it would make sense if he did not use his full power, so he is not exhausted afterwards. Otherwise how do you explain that he did not use it earlier?
he was exhuasted throughout the fight
 

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Kaguya was nerfed to hell and back, She could have warped them into separate dimensions a second time and without obito's/kakashi's help and sakura's yin seal they would be done. Kaguya also could have thrown sasuke in the acid dimension outright insta-killing him and not once did she think to retreat into a dimension to get away from the dynamic duo to recuperate and strategize.
But the fact remains that she doesn't have that many good feats honestly. Naruto could actually stalemate her for a while.
 

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But the fact remains that she doesn't have that many good feats honestly. Naruto could actually stalemate her for a while.
Fact also remains we've seen nothing that can hurt her barring the sun and moon seals. stalemating her for awhile means nothing if you get creamed in the end anyways. and as I said, all she had to do was toss sasuke in the acid dimension to basically win. As obito and Sakura opened the dimension up it poured acid in front of them. basically this means that even if sasuke wasn't killed as he was tossed in there they still wouldn't be able to retrieve him from the dimension since any attempts would drench them in acid.
 

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Yeah because exhaustion is known to toll juubi jins, lol get real. Naruto had the chakra of all nine tailed beast + yang seal, you really think that was sasukes motive? When fighting kakashi told them to always fight with the intent to kill or they'd lose. Thats a basic rule, if sasuke didn't go all out he'd be dead. During the kaguya fight when he was trapped in the desert, he tried everything in his power to escape, when he was rescued he stated he was getting used too his eye and its power.
Why not? Unless you think Sasuke is the most intelligent person around. When has Sasuke listened to Kakashi anyway? How do you know Sasuke tried everything to escape? Sasuke was wearing a mask all along and trolling Naruto Sakura and Obito.


Fact also remains we've seen nothing that can hurt her barring the sun and moon seals. stalemating her for awhile means nothing if you get creamed in the end anyways. and as I said, all she had to do was toss sasuke in the acid dimension to basically win. As obito and Sakura opened the dimension up it poured acid in front of them. basically this means that even if sasuke wasn't killed as he was tossed in there they still wouldn't be able to retrieve him from the dimension since any attempts would drench them in acid.
How do you know that they would get creamed? Stalemate doesn't mean being defeated. Her feats doesn't show that. I could even make a case for her being weaker than Juudara and I'm sure Naruto and Sasuke together can beat Juudara.
 

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Why not? Unless you think Sasuke is the most intelligent person around. When has Sasuke listened to Kakashi anyway? How do you know Sasuke tried everything to escape? Sasuke was wearing a mask all along and trolling Naruto Sakura and Obito.



How do you know that they would get creamed? Stalemate doesn't mean being defeated. Her feats doesn't show that. I could even make a case for her being weaker than Juudara and I'm sure Naruto and Sasuke together can beat Juudara.
Kishi out his own mouth said he didn't know how to defeat Madara and after he makes that statement Madara has a forced *** change some chapters later. Juubi jins are immune pretty much to physical damage since they can regrow lost limbs with no effort, Maddy had regrown an entire torso and kaguya easily replaced her entire arm. it's pretty much confirmed that physical attacks won't work, not only that but they can also absorb ninjutsu.

Nothing I have seen in any type of way even hints at them being able to be taken down in combat. Anytime we saw a juubi jin you either had to remove the beast from them, like they did juubito, or they sealed them. Not once have we seen any on the verge of dying barring Maddy with 8 gate gai but he promptly received a power up right after Naruto hit him with the lava rasenshuriken.

Amaterasu is worthless and she tanked 9 different bijuu rasenshuriken without a scratch. plz tell me how either Naruto or sasuke can stop her before she envelopes the world in a giant truth seeking orb.
 

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Kishi out his own mouth said he didn't know how to defeat Madara and after he makes that statement Madara has a forced *** change some chapters later. Juubi jins are immune pretty much to physical damage since they can regrow lost limbs with no effort, Maddy had regrown an entire torso and kaguya easily replaced her entire arm. it's pretty much confirmed that physical attacks won't work, not only that but they can also absorb ninjutsu.

Nothing I have seen in any type of way even hints at them being able to be taken down in combat. Anytime we saw a juubi jin you either had to remove the beast from them, like they did juubito, or they sealed them. Not once have we seen any on the verge of dying barring Maddy with 8 gate gai but he promptly received a power up right after Naruto hit him with the lava rasenshuriken.

Amaterasu is worthless and she tanked 9 different bijuu rasenshuriken without a scratch. plz tell me how either Naruto or sasuke can stop her before she envelopes the world in a giant truth seeking orb.
It is possible that Sasuke can genjutsu then Chibaku Tensei her, which would go the same way as the seal.
 
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