you guys live in a wonderworld... you highly overrate Sakura and underrate Kimimaro.
first of all Lee was only able to hit Kimi because he was unpredictable and fast. which Sakura is not. neither of them. she is slow and straight. all of her attacks are obvious.
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second. Kimi's primary defense is not his own body, but his bone sword, spikes and ability to dodge or block the attack... if Sakura want to throw him off balance by destroying the ground, it's useless. he just jumps back and land safely.
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third he has some unexpected ability. bone bullets and spike from his palm is unpredictable.
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also son't forget his cursed seal and improved abilities. like against Gaara, his spinal column around Sakura and then a stab from his other hand.
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and if we are here I wanna see Sakura dodging these.
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but this is a 2v1 fight so let's speak about it. while Sakura is murdering herself in close combat, Temari just standing behind because she can't attack if Sakura is there. and once Sakura is down it's a 1v1 fight again.
you guys live in a wonderworld... you highly overrate Sakura and underrate Kimimaro.
first of all Lee was only able to hit Kimi because he was unpredictable and fast. which Sakura is not. neither of them. she is slow and straight. all of her attacks are obvious.
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second. Kimi's primary defense is not his own body, but his bone sword, spikes and ability to dodge or block the attack... if Sakura want to throw him off balance by destroying the ground, it's useless. he just jumps back and land safely.
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third he has some unexpected ability. bone bullets and spike from his palm is unpredictable.
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also son't forget his cursed seal and improved abilities. like against Gaara, his spinal column around Sakura and then a stab from his other hand.
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and if we are here I wanna see Sakura dodging these.
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but this is a 2v1 fight so let's speak about it. while Sakura is murdering herself in close combat, Temari just standing behind because she can't attack if Sakura is there. and once Sakura is down it's a 1v1 fight again.
Yeah Sakura would get owned by those bones coming out of Kimimaro's chest. During that time though Temari can sacrifice Sakura and use a wind cast net which could hurt him severely.
Joki is the only one who says Sakura can solo and as for the earthquake she can create. It isn't unavoidable or else Kakashi would be in the hospital.
Sakura is very smart and her skills are underrated but Kimimaro was one of the strongest non kage level characters in part 1. His bones are stronger than tempered steel and Sakura has never shown she can destroy tempered steel.
She will manage to hurt him but will be impaled by one of Kimimaro's various dances.
Temari has actually shown the ability to destroy defences though so I don't think Kimimaro can fully tank that. If people are saying that Kimimaro can fully tank Temari's fuutons than I guess he can tank chidori and rasengan too?
This would mean even Kakashi without kamui doesn't stand a chance but that is not true.
I'm not saying he can tank Temari's fuuton, I'm just not sure how to compare his ability to withstand brute force(one of the most powerful attacks in the manga, no less), without any damage being done to him, to a "cutting", I guess you could call it, technique.
The raiton defense has been shown to be weak to piercing techniques(chidori from Sasuke) and slicing, though Wind > Raiton, so that gave it an advantage.
I have no clue if Kakashi could beat him or not. It would depend on if his raiton is capable of penetrating Kimi. Kakashi is skilled enough to compete with him in taijutsu, but we have no clue if he has anything capable of actually killing Kimi(well, there's kamui, but that's Kakashi's last resort).
I'm not saying he can tank Temari's fuuton, I'm just not sure how to compare his ability to withstand brute force(one of the most powerful attacks in the manga, no less), without any damage being done to him, to a "cutting", I guess you could call it, technique.
The raiton defense has been shown to be weak to piercing techniques(chidori from Sasuke) and slicing, though Wind > Raiton, so that gave it an advantage.
I have no clue if Kakashi could beat him or not. It would depend on if his raiton is capable of penetrating Kimi. Kakashi is skilled enough to compete with him in taijutsu, but we have no clue if he has anything capable of actually killing Kimi(well, there's kamui, but that's Kakashi's last resort).
Kimimaro could beat part 1 Kakashi with high difficulty although current Kakashi would own him without kamui mid difficulty.
Anyway the Raikage did not use lightning armour when he fought Temari or else he could probably overwhelm Temari with his speed. She was able to deeply cut the third's metal skin which imo is much harder than Kimimaro's bones.
Only definite way that happens is by Kakashi outlasting him. We can't for sure say raikiri penetrates Kimi's bone defense.
Anyway the Raikage did not use lightning armour when he fought Temari or else he could probably overwhelm Temari with his speed. She was able to deeply cut the third's metal skin which imo is much harder than Kimimaro's bones.
Really? I could have swore it was him using his raiton armor...but maybe I'm misremembering. Everything that far back seems like a blur after all this Itachi/Kabuto, Orochimaru, Edo Madara and Juubi stuff, lol.
Yeah Sakura would get owned by those bones coming out of Kimimaro's chest. During that time though Temari can sacrifice Sakura and use a wind cast net which could hurt him severely.
First of all Sakura would destroy the hell out of his effing bones. Also, Sakura is a highly medical expert meaning she has knowledge about all the crap kimimaro uses. Whether you say they have no knowledge of kimimaro's ability.. but the fact is Sakura is better or on the same level as Lady chio in Medical ninjutsu.
And Temari is just boss.
Advice is Don't underrate Sakura.
Note: Kimimaro was no stronger then Gaara part 1. OR naruto part 1. he was tied with them.
Here are a few of the times Kimimaro openly clashed attacks with Lee.
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Replace Lee with Sakura. Sakura's punches are building busters. Kimimaro wouldn't be the wiser. GG Kimi.
I was going off of your scenario of your "make him jump in to the air then attack" strategy.
And Kimi only clashed with Lee because Lee was close to him in taijutsu prowess and speed. Kimi should have no issue dodging Sakura, not in the slightest. He's 2 tiers above her in taijustu and a tier and a half above her in speed. There's not a single, possible way she can beat Kimi in taijutsu, unless Kimi decides he wants to be beaten.
Anything else other than numbers? Because last I checked Sakura was maneuvering around 100 entities controlled by a 4.5 in speed with ease.
And going back to your attacking him in mid air strategy, like I said, if Kimi saw her strength, he would simply use bone mask, and if Sakura ever does hit him, it won't do any damage.
Scans of Kimimaro ever hoping to tank something as powerful as
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? Didn't think so..Kimimaro has nowhere near the durability to tank that, it's on you to prove it.
Lee couldn't even manage to touch Kimi until he became intoxicated, and Lee was a tier better than Sakura in taijutsu and speed before being intoxicated, so what makes you believe Sakura can?
Because Sakura kept up with and effectively evaded one of the most powerful Akatsuki, Lee was severely injured and not allowed to use any gates past the first for an instant(that severely outclassed Kimi), and Kimimaro specifically dodged despite on multiple occasions when he fought 1k Naruto clones.
He aint tanking building busters, and Sakura is smart enough to pull off a feint. Sleep bombs, + earthquakes are more than enough to kill him, you'd have realized this if you read the scans of the posts I linked...but of course, being one to back up the other side you ignored them, what else is new.
I was thinking the same but I do believe Kimimaro would most likely beat Temari especially if he is healthy because his defence may be weaker but he could avoid vital hits and then impale Temari with a bone. On the other hand, Temari could just blow Kimimaro back and he won't get a chance to do that.
How is Sakura a drawback for Temari? If anything she will heal Temari if she gets hurt and Sakura can be good for a cqc fight with Kimimaro while Temari retreats to blast Kimimaro.
Sakura is indeed underrated but I don't think she is on his level yet. Her punches, if they make contact, will hurt Kimimaro significantly but I do believe he can avoid getting his vitals damaged. With what difficulty will they win with?
Im not trying to underrate her or anything but with kimi's taijutsu skills he would pawn her no difficulty lee managed to hit him because of his speed and unpredictable drunkness..and even after he managed to land a strike kimi will just grow bones from his body..also kimi can just grow bones from underground n gg girls.
All of these are AFTER Lee became intoxicated. Sakura's taijutsu and speed aren't even on Lee's base level, much less his intoxicated level. Kimi is elite in taijutsu and borderline elite in speed. Sakura is average in both.
GG Sakura.
Anything else other than numbers? Because last I checked Sakura was maneuvering around 100 entities controlled by a 4.5 in speed with ease.
You wanna show me where she maneuvered around hundreds of entities? She jumped above like 7 of their swords or whatever they were and threw what Chiyo gave her at Sasori, lmao.
If she had fought off all 7 of those by herself, you may have a point, but she simply jumped. Nothing more, nothing less.
Scans of Kimimaro ever hoping to tank something as powerful as
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? Didn't think so..Kimimaro has nowhere near the durability to tank that, it's on you to prove it.
Because Sakura kept up with and effectively evaded one of the most powerful Akatsuki, Lee was severely injured and not allowed to use any gates past the first for an instant(that severely outclassed Kimi), and Kimimaro specifically dodged despite on multiple occasions when he fought 1k Naruto clones.
I have proof that Kimi can tank a technique that obliterates a normal human without even getting a scratch. You have no proof that Sakura's punches can break through his bone defense/that it'll do any different than what Gaara's sand did.
And you're using Kimi making easy work of Naruto's clones against him? What?
He aint tanking building busters, and Sakura is smart enough to pull off a feint. Sleep bombs, + earthquakes are more than enough to kill him, you'd have realized this if you read the scans of the posts I linked...but of course, being one to back up the other side you ignored them, what else is new.
lol @ Sleep bombs. I guess Sakura can beat everyone, she'll just put them to sleep. lmfao
Also, I'm getting really tired of this "earthquake" crap. Kakashi wasn't even hurt by it, just stunned by it. Is there a reason to believe this move would kill someone? Someone who survived a move that obliterated a human? Someone who was completely covered by, and crushed by a waterfall of sand, but was still not hurt? Then someone who was dragged 200m underground and was stated that "with the pressure of sand clinging to your body, you'll immediately be unable to move even a finger"? Then goes on to use his strongest technique?
How about also a person who was stated by Kabuto to be someone who cannot be beat? Which was true, after facing Naruto, Lee then Gaara, all in succession, the only thing that beat him, despite Gaara using 3 of his most powerful attacks, was his sickness.
Sakura can't touch him in taijutsu, anyway, as she's no where near as good as an intoxicated or 1st Gate Lee, so her strength is irrelevant, even if you do believe she can hurt him.
And I love how you're resorting to insulting remarks. Shows you've lost this debate.
All of these are AFTER Lee became intoxicated. Sakura's taijutsu and speed aren't even on Lee's base level, much less his intoxicated level. Kimi is elite in taijutsu and borderline elite in speed. Sakura is average in both.
GG Sakura.
You wanna show me where she maneuvered around hundreds of entities? She jumped above like 7 of their swords or whatever they were and threw what Chiyo gave her at Sasori, lmao.
If she had fought off all 7 of those by herself, you may have a point, but she simply jumped. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have proof that Kimi can tank a technique that obliterates a normal human without even getting a scratch. You have no proof that Sakura's punches can break through his bone defense/that it'll do any different than what Gaara's sand did.
And you're using Kimi making easy work of Naruto's clones against him? What?
lol @ Sleep bombs. I guess Sakura can beat everyone, she'll just put them to sleep. lmfao
Also, I'm getting really tired of this "earthquake" crap. Kakashi wasn't even hurt by it, just stunned by it. Is there a reason to believe this move would kill someone? Someone who survived a move that obliterated a human? Someone who was completely covered by, and crushed by a waterfall of sand, but was still not hurt? Then someone who was dragged 200m underground and was stated that "with the pressure of sand clinging to your body, you'll immediately be unable to move even a finger"? Then goes on to use his strongest technique?
How about also a person who was stated by Kabuto to be someone who cannot be beat? Which was true, after facing Naruto, Lee then Gaara, all in succession, the only thing that beat him, despite Gaara using 3 of his most powerful attacks, was his sickness.
Sakura can't touch him in taijutsu, anyway, as she's no where near as good as an intoxicated or 1st Gate Lee, so her strength is irrelevant, even if you do believe she can hurt him.
And I love how you're resorting to insulting remarks. Shows you've lost this debate.
Where exactly is the proof for Kimi that you so loosely claim you have? I haven't seen any. But anyway, waiting for you to actually read my first post.
Where exactly is the proof for Kimi that you so loosely claim you have? I haven't seen any. But anyway, waiting for you to actually read my first post.
Not sure exactly what difficulty, but my logic was this:
Sakura is a strategical ninja and smart, medical ninja were trained in evasion and Sakura has ridiculous power and was trained by Tsunade. This is one of the main methods of their fighting and what Sakura could pull off.
First, Sakura's punches:
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This is obvious, that's ridiculous strength. Do you honestly see Kimimaro surviving that? Well anyway, as you said yourself he'd be "hurt significantly" but not dead, this is exactly what Sakura can jump on.
Yes, Kimi easily survives that. But we've been over that ad-nauseum.
He is going to stagger or get knocked off balance even if he's grazed with punches of that level, well that's fine because then Sakura can follow up with more barrages of those building busting punches. It's no one-time jutsu, the best part is she can keep punching over and over just like regular punches. He also likes to parry with Lee and actually defend against his taijutsu, without knowledge vs Sakura that's a big mistake.
Let me post more things to back this up:
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Naruto was using rasengan towards Tsunade, she created a fissure underneath him and he completely lost his balance and was helpless, contrary to a second ago, Tsunade could just follow up and punch forward and kill the helpless Naruto. It's obvious anyone standing on the ground when Sakura punches an earthquake woould lose their balance and fall under the same scenario. The best thing to do to avoid that would be to jump or similar, Kimimaro has never shown Kage Bunshin or any form of defense like that, so that'd be actually falling right into her trap.
Because that is exactly what Sasuke did, it s a basic battle tactic.
Kimi only parried with Lee because he had to. Lee intoxicated was skilled enough(and more importantly, as Kimi stated himself, was unpredictable) to combat him. When Lee was sober he avoided him each time.
Kimi's taijutsu and speed is too far above Sakura, in stats and feats, to even be grazed by her, so that's no issue, so on to the next:
So Kimi jumps in to the air to avoid this(which you agreed would be the likely scenario). Show me a feat where Sakura has jumped in to the air as quickly as Sasuke did to engage someone? And who says Kimi has to jump high up in to the air? What's stopping him from just jumping far enough to the side to not be effected by that "earthquake"?
One way or the other, he's more than capable of reacting to Sakura in mid air, as she's shown no feats that's capable of reaching Kimi immediately as he's in the air.
To further support this though, here's Tsunade doing it in action:
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After using her jutsu to scramble Kabuto's nerves she jumps on the chance to follow up and punch him. Obviously if he hadn't already torn her muscles to make her punches weak he'd have been dead, but yeah I think you get the point lol.
That's Tsunade doing what you just described? Lol...
First of all, Kabuto thought he had the fight won, and his defenses were down, as shown here:
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Shown in that same page, she hits Kabuto and messes up his central nervous system while he's off-guard. Then she hits him.
How is that ANYTHING like what you described?
Edit: I'd also like to add, for what reason to you want to be an ass while debating this? There's absolutely no reason for it. I've not insulted you at all, it's just a debate regarding Naruto, it's not like it's some personal problem between us. I have no problem with you, and I don't assume you have any problem with me, so I see no reason to be insulting.
No we haven't. Prove it. If "going over it ad-nauseum" means you just saying "Nah, Kimi wouldn't even feel that and I already gave proof" without backing it up or actually posting proof in any way, then yeah, we've been over it ad nauseum.
He has never tanked anything even close to a building buster. He used his bones to survive a pressure based attack which is perfect for. Scans of Gaara's sand creating a giant earthquake with that kind of power?
Kimi only parried with Lee because he had to. Lee intoxicated was skilled enough(and more importantly, as Kimi stated himself, was unpredictable) to combat him. When Lee was sober he avoided him each time.
That's just blatantly untrue, well you're right about the "he had to" part or else he'd have been hurt, but the fight never waged long enough to find that out.
This is irrelevant, he has absolutely no way to move in mid-air, it isn't a matter of dodging or speed. She punches the ground and he jumps up. She follows him. What now? Building buster to the face.
Kimi's taijutsu and speed is too far above Sakura, in stats and feats, to even be grazed by her, so that's no issue, so on to the next:
Yes it is. Because pleeeeeeeeeeeeenty of characters have simply touched character far beyond their level.
It is not that hard to touch characters faster, it's weird how everyone but Kishi thinks that if a character is even .5 faster than someone in the DB they're somehow untouchable. That's nice, because as long as Sakura touches Kimimaro with even 1 finger he is a goner. You agreed yourself to that fact. So with that said..
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Would you like me to post one of dozens or multiple dozens of times a character has landed an extremely decent hit let alone touched someone of higher DB tier?
So Kimi jumps in to the air to avoid this(which you agreed would be the likely scenario). Show me a feat where Sakura has jumped in to the air as quickly as Sasuke did to engage someone? And who says Kimi has to jump high up in to the air? What's stopping him from just jumping far enough to the side to not be effected by that "earthquake"?
Hmm, really? This is fairly close to me saying "proof of Kimimaro ever moving to avoid an earthquake based attack" which is obviously un provable. Anyway, most basic genin are capable of that.
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So there's that proof, and as for "jumping to the side", you sure we're looking at the same Sakura? Well, unfortunately, if he does that, he will be running into Sakura's fist.
One way or the other, he's more than capable of reacting to Sakura in mid air, as she's shown no feats that's capable of reaching Kimi immediately as he's in the air.
Because she takes advantage of being hit and jumps on the chance to beat him before he gets up. This has happened multiple times in the manga and Kimimaro is extremely susceptible to it. Actually, I'd like to add something from Part 1 and also while I'm at it, add that Kimimaro isn't the smartest person out there.
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Of course, that'd be replaced with a building buster nowadays.
Anyway, Kimimaro is extremely susceptible to the above and basic bunshin feints. How do you supposed he will counter this assuming Sakura punches? He's not exactly the smartest guy, he'd fallen to a trap before:
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Just a simple distraction and he fell to the trap, Sakura with bunshin feints can replicate the same thing like she and many others have done before.
As to your other comments about sleep boms or similar, they're strategic tools for a reason. She's not going to throw one at Kimi then say "Lulz let's just sit here". A good place to use one would be in your example. She punches the ground and proceeds to follow up with a punch, Kimimaro jumps away to avoid, then boom, sleep bomb. While he dodges that that's just a further distraction he has to deal with to avoid getting blasted in the face with a building buster.--Again, it's in no means required to get a solid hit, just being literally touched will suffice to knock him down or backwards so Sakura can follow up and barrage him.
I'd also like to add that Sasori, an akatsuki member who is a 4.5 was unable to dodge a simple thrown object from Sakura and pay close attention to Chiyo's words above.
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Edit: I'd also like to add, for what reason to you want to be an ass while debating this? There's absolutely no reason for it. I've not insulted you at all, it's just a debate regarding Naruto, it's not like it's some personal problem between us. I have no problem with you, and I don't assume you have any problem with me, so I see no reason to be insulting.
There isn't a reason, I didn't think I wanted to be an ass or was being one, sorry if I came off that way. I kind of figure it's ridiculously pointless to reply to long posts in the first place when I know that manga panels prove what I say. I don't exactly think wasting my time getting a bunch of panels only to be ignored because the opposition convinced themselves that red is blue is exactly a productive activity if you know what I mean.
@Elite Kakashi, I know Lee is better in speed and taijutsu than Sakura but you are comparing part 1 Lee who just came out of the hospital to current healthy Sakura.
Anyway why did this thread become Sakura VS Kimimaro? It is obvious Kimimaro defeats her. I was hoping we'd see if people think Temari can beat Kimimaro but I guess you guys are willing to debate Sakura VS Kimimaro.
Temari is the bigger threat so Kimimaro would have to go for her first.
@RikeSenju, yes Kimimaro has much better taijutsu than Temari but she can just blow him away and force him to retreat.
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If he does retreat Temari can bust all his cover with kirikiri mae.
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Then Temari finishes him off with a wind cast net.
man this Sakura fanboyism is now boring. get real she would never touch Kimimaro.
she is:
- slow
- predictable
- only uses her superhuman strength with a straight punch
- her "earthquake" only affected Kakashi because he was underground
- she never used gas bombs in fights. never...
and what's this bullshit about the "earthquake"? for god's sake do you really believe this is enough to stop Kimi? there are plenty ways to avoid that "earthquake"... btw that's not even an earthquake as you state. she destroyed the ground in a mid ranged area. that's all. a lot of other character could do that.
also read my previous post already. I love how everyone ignore that...
btw that fight with Chyio is pure plot. Sakura never showed any feat afterward. not against Sasuke or that fodder Zetsu clone...
she is:
- slow
- predictable
- only uses her superhuman strength with a straight punch
- her "earthquake" only affected Kakashi because he was underground
- she never used gas bombs in fights. never...
1. If Sakura is slow why was she able to keep up with Sasori? If Sakura is slow why did Kishi give her a 0.5 speed advantage over Hinata? If Sakura is slow how come she is an expert when it comes to dodging.
2. True but Sakura is smart and can fool an opponent to create an opening.
3. If she uses it with a straight punch then does that really matter?
4. She didn't use gas bombs against Sasori because he is a human puppet and puppets don't breathe. Just because she hasn't used them doesn't mean she can't.
and what's this bullshit about the "earthquake"? for god's sake do you really believe this is enough to stop Kimi? there are plenty ways to avoid that "earthquake"... btw that's not even an earthquake as you state. she destroyed the ground in a mid ranged area. that's all. a lot of other character could do that.
She didn't have a fight after the one with Chiyo. Her fight with Sasuke was a joke because she still had feelings for him. She outsmarted and owned the Zetsu clones so I don't know what you are talking about.
If Gaara could not kill Kimimaro, what makes you think Temari can one shot him that easily? Unless you think current Temari>part 1 Gaara which I do believe to be the case but I think you may disagree.
If Gaara could not kill Kimimaro, what makes you think Temari can one shot him that easily? Unless you think current Temari>part 1 Gaara which I do believe to be the case but I think you may disagree.
gaara's attacks at that time only dealt with pressure and crushing,which arent very useful against kimimaro,gaara didnt take up to 3 minutes to catch kimimaro,but his attacks at that time werent very useful.temari uses penetrating attacks,and she is a wind user,the highest element in cutting. The third raikage is obviously more durable than kimi,he is also stronger and fasrer than kimi in base,temari hit him with a cast net tech,and it cut him into pieces,she is also a long range fighter which gives her an advantage.her wind sythe can als cut down trees,as well as intercept sound waves,quick beheading dance is also an option.kimimaro can't beat temari,not the current one.
