[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

[OG sama]

I don't think Cracker will get the Chinjao treatment, but because characters like Chinjao exist, I know to calm down when Oda hypes up new characters at the beginning of arcs. I've seen it too many times to jump to conclusions, I will wait.

Personally he seems to be very strong, like bare minimum Doflamingo level from the "looks" of it. But that means absolutely nothing knowing Oda, he could turn out to be a bum.

I'm done assuming things as well, I think I know where oda is going with this but some things just aren't always clear. From now on, I'm just looking at feats and portrayal.

Like you said, it should mean something but It could not.

 

[KCN]

Cracker is most definitely very, very strong based on the simple fact he's one of BM's top 3 commanders.

Does that mean he's > Doflamingo? Hell no.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

When did he sleep?

Luffy never "slept" when after the g4 effects he was at the very best unconscious. Nor is sleeping a factor for haki regeneration as far as we know, especially not sleeping for only 10 minutes lol

 

[Dannie]

I really do hope Luffy doesn't have to resort to G4 everytime he faces a strong opponent because that would be like he is desperate and doesn't have any other tricks to fighting the big boys, but at the same time I want to see G4 more since it is his newest skill.

 

[Bogard]

I really do hope Luffy doesn't have to resort to G4 everytime he faces a strong opponent because that would be like he is desperate and doesn't have any other tricks to fighting the big boys, but at the same time I want to see G4 more since it is his newest skill.

Well this is the new world and one of Big Mom's top3 after all. If he isn't desperate while fighting such a hot shot, when will he? When fighting Roger? I know the strawhats were supposed to train to become stronger. That doesn't mean however that they were supposed to crush everyone they encounter like flies. The Strawhats(well mainly Luffy and Zoro) already grew stronger beyond my initial expectations), so hopefully it doesn't just become a walk in the park now

With his design, i wasn't that sure at first, but with the way Cracker was portrayed in latest chapter, i have high hopes especially after reading the viz translations of his words in the final page

Cracker: "Do not even dream that you can defeat me."

Sounds promising...

 

[-Akuma-]

To be fair, Doflamingo made Jozu his chair. So the Yonko commander position alone doesn't guarantee superiority.

You make it sound like Doffy straight up dominated Jozu and didn't sneak attack him :lmao

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

You make it sound like Doffy straight up dominated Jozu and didn't sneak attack him :lmao

It was a war if he wasn't aware that is his fault .... That still doesn't take away the feat that doffy immobilized someone who could fend off akoiji for period of time and block mihawk slash etc...

 

[-Akuma-]

It was a war if he wasn't aware that is his fault .... That still doesn't take away the feat that doffy immobilized someone who could fend off akoiji for period of time and block mihawk slash etc...

Getting owned by a sneak attack means absolute shit in OP. The feat is not impressive unless you want to tell me the Yeti Cool Bros are stronger than Zoro?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Getting owned by a sneak attack means absolute shit in OP. The feat is not impressive unless you want to tell me the Yeti Cool Bros are stronger than Zoro?

See the thing is the yeti did sneak attack

As for the yeti taking out zoro again that's his fault he knew he was on enemy territory etc it makes common sense to be alert etc... If e wasn't again that is his fault same with Jozu ur in middle of war common sense is to be on look out while your fighting so u don't get stabbed in the back or in Jozu case get used as furniture ...

But doffy legitimately had a conversation while using Jozu as a foot stool unless ur saying he was interested in the two pirates alliance why would he stay there .... Majority of doffy attacks with his strings could be considered sneak attacks if u don't look for them take Sanji for example he was too busy attacking to realize doffy moving his fingers which then caught him in the strings ...


I'm not saying doffy is def stronger then Jozu (I believe he is but that is my own opinion ) but due to Portryal and his feats and how important he was to the new world etc he can def contend with and be a yonko' first mate easily

 

[Punk Hazard]

You make it sound like Doffy straight up dominated Jozu and didn't sneak attack him :lmao

Even if it was a sneak attack, once Jozu was caught he was unable to escape. Even if the didn't expect the strings coming, he still had more than enough time to break free on his own, but at the end of the day he did not. Luffy was caught unexpectedly by Jozu's string as well, but he managed to get out. Jozu couldn't figure out a way?

There is also the fact that Dofi broke a stronger version of the ice that Aokiji took out Jozu with, and both were caught in the ice while not paying attention to Aokiji.

 

[A v i]

The wank is real.:yeah:

 

[Punk Hazard]

The wank is real.:yeah:

Refute it.

 

[A v i]

Refute it.

Before I do, How about you present the proofs of Jozu making visible attempts to break free??? While you're at that, you might as well try explaining how and why how the attack used on Jozu was weaker than the one used on Joker, and how Jozu got out of parasite when the conversation was over!???

 

[MasqueradeNX]

DD would win a 1v1 with luffy all out so....

 

[Punk Hazard]

Before I do, How about you present the proofs of Jozu making visible attempts to break free???

Jozu choosing not to attempt to break free would mean that, while Jozu's comrades fought to the death around him, he instead preferred to be immobile and listen in on a conversation between Doflamingo and Crocodile.

Now, what seems more likely: Jozu chose to stand there and listen in to Dofi and Croco chat about teaming up while his comrades died around him, or Jozu would choose to break out if he could.

While you're at that, you might as well try explaining how and why how the attack used on Jozu was weaker than the one used on Joker, and how Jozu got out of parasite when the conversation was over!???

Kuzan created more ice when he froze Doflamingo than when he froze Jozu. Being that the indicators of the strength of his ice has always been volume, it stands that the version used on Jozu was weaker.

 

[A v i]

Jozu choosing not to attempt to break free would mean that, while Jozu's comrades fought to the death around him, he instead preferred to be immobile and listen in on a conversation between Doflamingo and Crocodile.

Now, what seems more likely: Jozu chose to stand there and listen in to Dofi and Croco chat about teaming up while his comrades died around him, or Jozu would choose to break out if he could.

What if they join together and decide to jump on WB together? Crocodile was already planning on killing WB and was being blocked by WB's crew. So, the chances are Croc might have joined hands with DD to go after WB. It's not like Jozu knew how he'd respond or anything. There were 0 sings of resistance from Jozu.

Kuzan created more ice when he froze Doflamingo than when he froze Jozu. Being that the indicators of the strength of his ice has always been volume, it stands that the version used on Jozu was weaker.

So more Ice means the attack is stronger? Yeah, he created more ice to freeze Buggy too.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What if they join together and decide to jump on WB together? Crocodile was already planning on killing WB and was being blocked by WB's crew. So, the chances are Croc might have joined hands with DD to go after WB. It's not like Jozu knew how he'd respond or anything. There were 0 sings of resistance from Jozu.

This doesn't justify Jozu choosing to stand there and is a very poor excuse. Doflamingo is only there to fight against Whitebeard for the World Government, as he's a Shichibukai, and Crocodile has already made it clear he's here to kill Whitebeard. Jozu needs for them to officially declare they're teaming up before he decides they need to be eliminated? I guess that's why he DIDN'T attack Crocodile when he saw an opening. Oh wait..

Think about what you are saying. The Shichibukai who is there to prevent Whitebeard from succeeding is restraining him, and is asking the man who tried to attack Whitebeard to team up with him, and Jozu CHOOSES to NOT resist as his friends engage in war around him, where many of them are dying. THAT makes sense to you? You rather go with THAT over Jozu just being unable to break out?

So more Ice means the attack is stronger? Yeah, he created more ice to freeze Buggy too.

He did that because he was freezing a group of people and needed to freeze the transponder snails as well.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Talking about yonko top3, assuming Cracker is the weakest of Big Mom's top3 like i think he is, a 550millions berry feels really low now for a top3 where they seem to range around 800-1billion berry range

Edit: Lmao why did Macho suddenly got banned xd

Lol did Macho just get banned right before my very eyes.

True.

How strong do you think Cracker really will be?

why u banned mate?

I got banned for trolling since I was speaking like minamoto in NDS, which is weird since Minamoto himself is never banned...

 

[Lawlermelon]

There is also the fact that Dofi broke a stronger version of the ice that Aokiji took out Jozu with, and both were caught in the ice while not paying attention to Aokiji.

Lol what? Where is your proof that it was stronger? Captain fapfic is at it again.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol what? Where is your proof that it was stronger? Captain fapfic is at it again.

Kuzan created the same amount of ice on their bodies. However, he only created enough ice to freeze Jozu, while the ice he created against Dofi spread all across the platform they were on and into the sea, indicating it was a grander version of the same technique that froze Jozu.