[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

[ToshiZO]

Except this is a Yonko Top 3 commander, not some old ass man. Cracker should be the Marco/Jozu/Vista equivalent of the Big Mom pirates.

Ok and to me Vista is a nobody. Chinjao was said to bust continents and fight Younger Garp, that > Any horseshit Cracker hype.

You speak as if being a Yonkou top 3 is unachievable by the likes of Doflamingo.

 

[Dannie]

Lmao, will this reach 40 pages too?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Except this is a Yonko Top 3 commander, not some old ass man. Cracker should be the Marco/Jozu/Vista equivalent of the Big Mom pirates.

To be fair, Doflamingo made Jozu his chair. So the Yonko commander position alone doesn't guarantee superiority.

 

[Bogard]

Lmao, will this reach 40 pages too?

Assuming it doesn't get locked eventually, it has good potential depending on this week's chapter

 

[OG sama]

You're right. It was only his organs. Just his organs, what was I thinking? It's not like organs are vital and very vulnerable and damage to them can result in a lot of pain.

Doflamingo stitching up the organs wouldn't remove the damage and pain they are in, that would just prevent further bleeding and restore function. They'd still be bruised and he'd still be in immense pain, plus the pain that comes from moving strings through his organs and forcing them back together with no anesthetics.


This just shows to me that you're missing the point. The fact that at one point he can outmaneuver and blitz Gear Fourth and then get blitzed by it at another point shows the inconsistency and fluctuations on his fighting abilities during that fight.


I...I called the clone weak...what are you arguing against here? This just proves my point more. That same clone that got one-shotted by fodder was able to casually swat a Gear Second attack, which has been portrayed as not that strong anymore(Gladius took a Jet Stamp and was fine; a fodder Fishman took a Gear second attack and was fine; Gear Second was unable to injure Mingo), and then Doflamingo was unable to react to it at one point is another testament that his strength was dipping and rising.


I said there are no indications on Doffy's max strength. The fact that Gear Fourth couldn't put him down implies that at his max it would still fail, but that's all we have to go on. All we know is that Gear Fourth couldn't put down a weakened Doflamingo. We don't know how much damage he could do at max to Luffy, or how much longer he'd last. Hence why I said his max is inconclusive.


You think having bruised and damaged organs wouldn't give you problems moving and fighting? El oh el. We have seen that injuries affect Haki. Whitebeard was unable to use his Haoshoku Haki because his heart gave him trouble. We've seen that Haki is directly correlated to physical energy, as Luffy was unable to move when his Haki was drained and regained the ability to move when it was regenerated. It's highly Doflamingo's Haki was weakened with his body.



Outlasts it, kills Luffy while he can't move. Luffy might have more brute offensive power, but Doflamingo being able to withstand it until Luffy is at his mercy is what makes him overall stronger.

Fine I'll concede to this but those last two sentences are what's going to come back to haunt you, maybe. Luffy already has the form and power necessary to be above Mingo, he just needs to improve on the time limit. And hell, maybe some new and stronger techniques would help, as that gives him more in his arsenal to work with.

Wanna know what's so great about that? It can all happen this arc against a foe maybe even stronger than Mingo, like perhaps Cracker? With DDs defeat only being two arcs ago, that's quick power progression right?

^This is what I've been trying to get people to realize this entire time.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Ok and to me Vista is a nobody. Chinjao was said to bust continents and fight Younger Garp, that > Any horseshit Cracker hype.

You speak as if being a Yonkou top 3 is unachievable by the likes of Doflamingo.

What do you mean Vista is a nobody? He is the 3rd mate of a Yonko, which puts him above people like Ace.

 

[ToshiZO]

What do you mean Vista is a nobody? He is the 3rd mate of a Yonko, which puts him above people like Ace.

Huh? You sure seem to be pulling random facts out of your ass of late. Who, why, what, where, and when was this stated?

Doflamingo might even have superior portrayal over Jozu, no time to talk about scrubs like Vista.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What do you mean Vista is a nobody? He is the 3rd mate of a Yonko, which puts him above people like Ace.

It's funny because Ace was the second division commander, making him likely the second make while Marco was the first if this is the logic you're going by.

 

[OG sama]

Ok and to me Vista is a nobody. Chinjao was said to bust continents and fight Younger Garp, that > Any horseshit Cracker hype.

You speak as if being a Yonkou top 3 is unachievable by the likes of Doflamingo.

Im saying Chinjao is pass his Prime he isn't busting continents at his age, who knows if he even really did? Not a good counter.

Horseshit hype? Lol you DD wankers must really be scared Cracker may actually be stronger than your precious flamingo, all in your feelings and shit. Im not even going to show you how Crackers hype is great, as I already have on the first page.

Im not saying that, if anything, he is Jozu level if you ask me.

To be fair, Doflamingo made Jozu his chair. So the Yonko commander position alone doesn't guarantee superiority.

There you go again Riker, using short instances to justify how a whole fight would play out. Jozu wasn't even focused on Doflamingo and didn't seem that bound for long anyway. That doesn't suggest he can beat Jozu, and as a matter of fact, DD didn't want none of the dude that beat him.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

It's funny because Ace was the second division commander, making him likely the second make while Marco was the first if this is the logic you're going by.

Wtf are you talking about? Division number doesn't equal authority in the WB crew, so Ace isn't the 2nd mate (Jozu is). Vista is the 5th division commander so I don't see how you could think I was calling him 3rd mate based on his divison number.

 

[LBeezy]

If luffy is able to regain all the haki that fuels g4 in 10 minutes then the little bits that he used pre the fight had more than enough time to regenerate.

When did he sleep?

 

[Bogard]

Talking about yonko top3, assuming Cracker is the weakest of Big Mom's top3 like i think he is, a 550millions berry feels really low now for a top3 where they seem to range around 800-1billion berry range

Edit: Lmao why did Macho suddenly got banned xd

 

[Punk Hazard]

Im saying Chinjao is pass his Prime he isn't busting continents at his age, who knows if he even really did? Not a good counter.

Horseshit hype? Lol you DD wankers must really be scared Cracker may actually be stronger than your precious flamingo, all in your feelings and shit. Im not even going to show you how Crackers hype is great, as I already have on the first page.

Im not saying that, if anything, he is Jozu level if you ask me.




There you go again Riker, using short instances to justify how a whole fight would play out. Jozu wasn't even focused on Doflamingo and didn't seem that bound for long anyway. That doesn't suggest he can beat Jozu, and as a matter of fact, DD didn't want none of the dude that beat him.

It's all we have to go on. This, plus the fact that Dofi broke out of a stronger version of the ice that incapacitated Jozu is superior portrayal for Dofi.

 

[ToshiZO]

Im saying Chinjao is pass his Prime he isn't busting continents at his age, who knows if he even really did? Not a good a good counter.

Horseshit hype? Lol you DD wankers must really be scared Cracker may actually be stronger than your precious flamingo, all in your feelings and shit. Im not even going to show you how Crackers hype is great, as I already have on the first page.

Im not saying that, if anything, he is Jozu level if you ask me.




There you go again Riker, using short instances to justify how a whole fight would play out. Jozu wasn't even focused on Doflamingo and didn't seem that bound for long anyway. That doesn't suggest he can beat Jozu, and as a matter of fact, DD didn't want none of the dude that beat him.

You haven't provided one thing of note here, literally just empty talk.

Chinjao had all the hype in the world going for him,

Just like Cracker Chinjao had the second highest bounty known at the time.

Except everything else surrounding him (which is exactly what hype is, hype aren't feats) exceeded that of Crackers, having battles with a younger Garp, busting an ice continent >> any hype Cracker has going for him.

Turned out Chinjao was just a bum.

Stop using the shitty excuse of being old because every single legend we know is still a top tier at an old age, and please stop saying stuff like "who knows if he even did" that is what my point is exactly. We don't know it until we see it, hype of these meaningless "built up in 2 chapters" characters means jack all.

Talking about yonko top3, assuming Cracker is the weakest of Big Mom's top3 like i think he is, a 550millions berry feels really low now for a top3 where they seem to range around 800-1billion berry range

Edit: Lmao why did Macho suddenly got banned xd

Dude was speaking so much horseshit, someone probably had enough LOL.

ng short instances to justify how a whole fight would play out. Jozu wasn't even focused on Doflamingo and didn't seem that bound for long anyway. That doesn't suggest he can beat Jozu, and as a matter of fact, DD didn't want none of the dude that beat him.

Lmao are you for real right now? This is hype and portrayal where two characters being compared goddamn interacted and now this is going too far for your standards? The same person who sees any hype of any new character and starts shouting stronger than Doflamingo?

Keep it consistent.

 

[OG sama]

It's all we have to go on. This, plus the fact that Dofi broke out of a stronger version of the ice that incapacitated Jozu is superior portrayal for Dofi.

Lol did Macho just get banned right before my very eyes.

True.

How strong do you think Cracker really will be?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol did Macho just get banned right before my very eyes.

True.

How strong do you think Cracker really will be?

Dunno. Haven't given it any real thought. I don't really like making assumptions like that with so little info, but I'm honestly hoping he pushes Gear 2 and 3 Luffy. Maybe Luffy is about to go Gear 4th, and is stopped by some interruption to build Cracker's hype.

 

[OG sama]

You haven't provided one thing of note here, literally just empty talk.

Chinjao had all the hype in the world going for him,

Just like Cracker Chinjao had the second highest bounty known at the time.

Except everything else surrounding him (which is exactly what hype is, hype aren't feats) exceeded that of Crackers, having battles with a younger Garp, busting an ice continent >> any hype Cracker has going for him.

Turned out Chinjao was just a bum.

Stop using the shitty excuse of being old because every single legend we know is still a top tier at an old age, and please stop saying stuff like "who knows if he even did" that is what my point is exactly. We don't know it until we see it, hype of these meaningless "built up in 2 chapters" characters means jack all.




Dude was speaking so much horseshit, someone probably had enough LOL.




Lmao are you for real right now? This is hype and portrayal where two characters being compared goddamn interacted and now this is going too far for your standards? The same person who sees any hype of any new character and starts shouting stronger than Doflamingo?

Keep it consistent.

You think Cracker, a Top 3 Yonko commander, who Big Mom trusts to beat a guy she believes beat Doflamingo 1v1 is going to get the Chinjao treatment? Same guy who should be on the same level a WBs Top 3?

Realize what oda is doing, he wants us to know Cracker isn't a joke. Luffy looking serious saying he's strong and then after one attack realizing he needs to go all out to win. Can you not see what Oda is conveying to us readers?

Well I do kinda think Doflamingo is > Jozu. But I wonder sometimes.

 

[Dannie]

Wtf are you talking about? Division number doesn't equal authority in the WB crew, so Ace isn't the 2nd mate (Jozu is). Vista is the 5th division commander so I don't see how you could think I was calling him 3rd mate based on his divison number.

why u banned mate?

 

[ToshiZO]

You think Cracker, a Top 3 Yonko commander, who Big Mom trusts to beat a guy she believes beat Doflamingo 1v1 is going to get the Chinjao treatment? Same guy who should be on the same level a WBs Top 3?

Realize what oda is doing, he wants us to know Cracker isn't a joke. Luffy looking serious saying he's strong and then after one attack realizing he needs to go all out to win. Can you not see what Oda is conveying to us readers?

Well I do kinda think Doflamingo is > Jozu. But I wonder sometimes.

I don't think Cracker will get the Chinjao treatment, but because characters like Chinjao exist, I know to calm down when Oda hypes up new characters at the beginning of arcs. I've seen it too many times to jump to conclusions, I will wait.

Personally he seems to be very strong, like bare minimum Doflamingo level from the "looks" of it. But that means absolutely nothing knowing Oda, he could turn out to be a bum.

 

[OG sama]

Dunno. Haven't given it any real thought. I don't really like making assumptions like that with so little info, but I'm honestly hoping he pushes Gear 2 and 3 Luffy. Maybe Luffy is about to go Gear 4th, and is stopped by some interruption to build Cracker's hype.

Yeah I'm about to just put this whole everybody is > Doflamingo thing people say I do and just look at feats and portrayal. Never again am I assuming this or that. Its just too stressful and doesn't allow you to enjoy what One piece is really about, its more than just fighting.