Could Itachi layer tsukuyomi over Izanami?

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Trap the foe in izanami, then use tsukuyomi to 72hr mind rape. is it possible?

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he used Izanami to trap kabuto into gen then use 3T:genjutsu to force him to show hand signs, so essentially kabuto is trapped in 2 genjutsus at once. so my question is can itachi use tsukuyomi right after using izanami. (if he uses izanami with his right eye)
 
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No. Izanami is not an Ocular Genjutsu. It simply uses the eyes to record a loop from reality. Tsukuyomi is an illusion that requires the Doujutsu to function. It cannot be recorded, hence, it cannot be used for Izanami.

Edit: Wait, nevermind, I misunderstood your question. Yes, he can.
 
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No. Izanami is not an Ocular Genjutsu. It simply uses the eyes to record a loop from reality. Tsukuyomi is an illusion that requires the Doujutsu to function. It cannot be recorded, hence, it cannot be used for Izanami.

Edit: Wait, nevermind, I misunderstood your question. Yes, he can.
so why was he able to user regular sharingan: gen on kabuto?

edit, okay
 

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Does that mean a 72 hours loop? I'm not really that sure what you mean with that question...
My fault. let me rephrase it. he uses izanami to capture the foe into the genjutsu. (say someone who avoids eye contact)
by successfully capturing the foe into his forbidden genjutsu, he uses tsukuyomi on the same person to do it's usual effect.

basically itachi is using izanami's advantage of requiring no eye contact to trap the foe, then follow up with tsukuyomi to GG.
 

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My fault. let me rephrase it. he uses izanami to capture the foe into the genjutsu. (say someone who avoids eye contact)
by successfully capturing the foe into his forbidden genjutsu, he uses tsukuyomi on the same person to do it's usual effect.

basically itachi is using izanami's advantage of requiring no eye contact to trap the foe, then follow up with tsukuyomi to GG.
Well, I suppose so. But wouldn't Izanami end it on itself if it even worked on the target?
 

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Well, I suppose so. But wouldn't Izanami end it on itself if it even worked on the target?
Honestly it doesn't matter if izanami end or not. itachi would just need that momentary vulnerability to sneak in his tsukuyomi. but yes, the fact he was able to even use genjutsu while kabuto was still trapped izanami is an odd ball and yet it happened. so I suppose it is possible to pull an inception by putting genjutsu on top of genjutsu. now if izanami doesn't end, will they still feel the "pain" of tsukuyomi? lol it's weird.
 

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No. Izanami is not an Ocular Genjutsu. It simply uses the eyes to record a loop from reality. Tsukuyomi is an illusion that requires the Doujutsu to function. It cannot be recorded, hence, it cannot be used for Izanami.

Edit: Wait, nevermind, I misunderstood your question. Yes, he can.
Izanami IS an ocular genjutsu, anything that involves controlling the mind is genjutsu
 

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It isn't redundant. Infinite loop of 72 hour torture will cause anyone to die. Anyone.
and even if they break izanami control, they still would need(can't) to break tsukuyomi

tsukuyomi strength: instant mental dmg
tsukuyomi weakness: requires eye contact

izanami strength: no eye contact
izanami weakness: could be escaped.

since genjutsu can stack, izanami will guaranteed he lands tsukuyomi in any situation. imo
 
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