[Theory] Could Itachi and Pain break free?

[Cyborg]

I have a theory which i sincerely hope turns out to be true for the sake of the dignity of 2 of the strongest characters in the Narutoverse. I believe, that it is possible for Pain and Itachi to overcome Kabuto's hold on them and set their souls free from the IWR technique.

I say this is possible because:
1. There have been instances of shinobi who managed to break free shown on a few occasions so far. There was Sasori:

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You can tell he literally willed himself free there. Then after that what i thought was a pretty epic moment in this current arc:

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Hanzo frees himself from Kabuto's hold too.(You can see Kabuto saying' He's contradicting the orders from my talisman'.

2. All of the resurrected jinchuriki(a total of 7) have yet to go into battle, as have the four kages against Gaara, while 6 swordsmen are still fighting Kakashi's squad. The more shinobi there are, the tougher it would be for Kabuto to manipulate them all 100%. It would be a strain on his chakra to keep it going perfectly.

3. Itachi and Nagato are uniquely powerful characters and if set to a task, their will to carry out that task is immense. Before dying, they were both revealed to be on the side of the good guys, fate just put some hard choices for both of them.

4. I think its possible, last and most important point, that they might already be thinking about freeing themselves. What Itachi says here:

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See, first Nagato says " we'll be forced to act according to the technique user's will.' Then after that Itachi says ' with your rinnegan and my Mangekyuo sharingan , we could do almost anything'......Get it? As in, i think by 'anything' Itachi meant in this case to get free from this technique! It seems to fit, especially due to the timing at which he said it.

Well, what do you think? Well Nagato and Itachi follow Sasori and Hanzo's path and free themselves from the shackles of IWR?? Discuss.

P.S: Don't forget to 'thank', plus rep this if you like it.

 

[Karmolo]

What about if Kabuto decide let them go beserk like Haku and Zabuza?

 

[Cyborg]

What about if Kabuto decide let them go beserk like Haku and Zabuza?

Then they're screwed lol jk, no itachi and Pain have more ability to resist then Zabuza and Haku did.

 

[1st NinjaKage]

1 thing to remember is that according to Kabuto it is no risk to the user of this technique

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2 the reason why the others were freed from IWR is because of their souls being sealed

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All that said, it is interesting to see what will happen. Because whose to say that Kabuto doesn't go to see them and they use their eye tech on him to release IWR or that they run into Naruto or Sasuske. But I am with you, I don't want to see them go down as pawns.

 

[Yugure]

well, I like your theory rep for that. and it could be really good possible, but I think they don't know who is controlling them, so that could be a problem.

 

[Amanwithnoplan]

Those two are absurdly powerful so I would imagine Kabuto would give them more of his attention to ensure that they don't break free.

 

[Cyborg]

@ 1st Ninja Kage: Did i say IWR poses a risk to the user? No i did'nt so what's the point of showing those pics? I'm saying that IWR could possibly be overcome by strength of will. About the souls being sealed bit: Bull. Re-read the link i pasted, Sasori disintegrated before his soul was sealed, or why was'nt Deidara also sealed then?

@ yvje94: Thanks, appreciate it.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Nice thread, i thought so myself

 

[1st NinjaKage]

The more shinobi there are, the tougher it would be for Kabuto to manipulate them all 100%. It would be a strain on his chakra to keep it going perfectly.

No Risk to user would insinuate that there is no strain on the user's chakra to maintain IWR. Kabuto even states that if you kill the user IWR will still remain in effect, in affect meaning no chakra is need to maintain. In other words, it is cost Kabuto no charka points.

 

[~+h0lLy-cRab+~]

I would say its impossible to believe that with the facts you have shown ... Sasori was never out of Kabuto's control it was that he can speak what he thinks but cant control his body as Kabuto is blocking him ... the same goes for Hanzo and maybe Kabuto released the control when he sensed that they had no chance of going on (releasing control he preserves chakra for longer sustain of the technique) and according to my info you theory breaks here ... nothing personal thats from my point of view

 

[Cyborg]

No Risk to user would insinuate that there is no strain on the user's chakra to maintain IWR. Kabuto even states that if you kill the user IWR will still remain in effect, in affect meaning no chakra is need to maintain. In other words, it is cost Kabuto no charka points.

Lol, i was hoping you would challenge that. Here, see this link:

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Or read it from here:

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He clearly states chakra is needed to strengthen the binding power of the technique, which is exactly what i was saying.

 

[Cyborg]

I would say its impossible to believe that with the facts you have shown ... Sasori was never out of Kabuto's control it was that he can speak what he thinks but cant control his body as Kabuto is blocking him ... the same goes for Hanzo and maybe Kabuto released the control when he sensed that they had no chance of going on (releasing control he preserves chakra for longer sustain of the technique) and according to my info you theory breaks here ... nothing personal thats from my point of view

Dude, get your head straight(for a very mild derogatary term). No offense, but what the f'uck are you babbling about?? I've done my homework on this topic, so clearly tell me why you disagree otherwise what you are doing is as good as spamming. Sasori was never out of kabuto's control??ROFL!! Then why did'nt Deidara crumble away hmm? If kabuto was blocking him he would'nt have disintegrated or why did Deidara shout about art being a vanishing flash to Sasori? You clearly don't understand anything.
Maybe Kabuto released the control....? Instead of flaming you for saying that(its what you deserve), i'll show you this and recommend that you read it, if you can pull your head out of your ass that is(nothing personal but this is what your comment deserves as response):

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And then:

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Only an idiot would say kabuto had control there.

 

[1st NinjaKage]

Lol, i was hoping you would challenge that. Here, see this link:
He clearly states chakra is needed to strengthen the binding power of the technique, which is exactly what i was saying.

Understood, yes he says to strengthen the binding power but I don't think he was referring to it the way that you are. By strengthen the binding power it just makes it hard for the "puppet" to break free from IWR. Remember with Zab, he went to turn him into a complete puppet void of feelings and emotions. Up to point, only those who had their original memories in tact where able to be freed from IWR without being sealed by a jutsu.

Anyways, that is my interpratation of that part. But on the other hand I could see where you could be right as well.

 

[Everyonetookthegoodnames]

Of course they'll break free, do you think that Kishimoto would just let the two most popular characters in the series be controlled the entire time? He would have to have some great purpose for them.

 

[Cyborg]

Understood, yes he says to strengthen the binding power but I don't think he was referring to it the way that you are. By strengthen the binding power it just makes it hard for the "puppet" to break free from IWR. Remember with Zab, he went to turn him into a complete puppet void of feelings and emotions. Up to point, only those who had their original memories in tact where able to be freed from IWR without being sealed by a jutsu.

Anyways, that is my interpratation of that part. But on the other hand I could see where you could be right as well.

Fair enough, but just to clarify my position, i'm saying that if there are more shinobi it would be more of a strain for him(read my 2nd point) and this link, i interpret it to mean chakra is needed, and that more IWR summons means more binding power and hence more chakra.

 

[~Lumos~]

Man they are both most talented most powerful characters n also one of them is So6P's manipulation and other decedent of So6P they will become free xd

 

[Cyborg]

Man they are both most talented most powerful characters n also one of them is So6P's manipulation and other decedent of So6P they will become free xd

Yeah , man that's what i'm saying it'd be a real shame to see them be simple puppets to a guy who's vastly inferior to either of them in ninja skills.

 

[yondaimeminato]

Great theory by the way. I like it

Kabuto is plotting to gain control of nine tail demon fox and killer bee so that he has something to trade with. Kabuto will ask madara to give sasuke's power (eye) to him or he will not get the nine tail demon fox (naruto) or killer bee (eight tail) if his plans succeed. Madara won't be able to refuse if kabuto has naruto in his power or killer bee since they are essential for madara's moon eye plan. Thus the reason why kabuto is keeping them in a safe place and just waiting for a chance. Naruto and killer bee are coming to war and only itachi who was able to defeat naruto many times and nagato with his rinnegan. Both can defeat naruto and killer bee.

But kabuto is already aware of the consequences. He already knows that his summoned souls can break free. So he is going to put extra attention to itachi and nagato when the times comes. I don't think it will be easy for nagato and itachi to break free but they could.

 

[Narutosixpaths]

Personally I totally agree with you Cyborg, they will break free, I believe through collaboration jutsu they will combine, there two eye techniques, and use the perfect Izangi to not only break Kabuto's control, but to also possibly restore there only lives to help the allied shinobis. Just a theory, but maybe it could happen.

 

[bboyhurricane]

I like the thought cyborg. and I hope it happens. period.

also, to help fuel a debate.....Kabuto needs Anko alive for Orochimaru's chakra to help fuel it right? So.......three things.

1. If there were no more Oro chakra in the world what happens? It WAS his jutsu after all....Kabuto just made it better because he has some of Oro's chakra....

2. Itachi is back to the field....with all of his known powers.....he is the one who sealed Oro for "good". Can he just do that to Kabuto with Susano'o? Of course, if they can't break free it won't matter, though they should, to help against Madara....(that'd be epic!) Powerful eye techniques for a HUGE battle......

3. Let's not forget that Pain has the power of Rinnegan to revive dead people like he did with the Leaf ninja......he has another shot here too......