Confirmed: Obito can use the Deva path's abilities.

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

This. This. This. This. and This. Is all I have to say.

-Obito flies in the air for as long as he wants and how he wants.

-Deva didn't. Every single time without fail when he levitated in the air, he dropped back down to earth. Every. Single. Time.

-Is it a coincidence that he displayed this only and

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getting the Juubi? lol. Obviously not. You'd be crazy to say otherwise.

Obito hasn't shown Deva's abilities. His flight is obviously a Juubi thing.

Already discussed this with you. And when you had no rebuttal. You said "Explain all this irrelevant BS or I'm right" And that is pretty much what you are doing, again. Me not being able to name the technique doesn't change the fact that its not the Deva Path. Using that logic to come to this conclusion makes no sense at all.

Your analogy would make sense if the sea water looked blue on its own, and if sea water wasn't salt water, which is different from the water that runs in houses.




Yeah, I changed my mind.

I suppose that's all there is to it then.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Already discussed this with you. And when you had no rebuttal. You said "Explain all this irrelevant BS or I'm right" And that is pretty much what you are doing, again. Me not being able to name the technique doesn't change the fact that its not the Deva Path. Using that logic to come to this conclusion makes no sense at all.

Your analogy would make sense if the sea water looked blue on its own, and if sea water wasn't salt water, which is different from the water that runs in houses.

When was I talking about drinking water?

Your arguement is so biased, it's giving me a damn cancer. There's no other explanation, and furthermore he has only shown the abilites of Jinton and Sensing. And that Barrier. Jinton turns people into damn dust. So no. Flight with sensing? No. Barrier flight? Never seen such a damn thing.

Biased posts, so damn biased.

 

[KidGamer65]

When was I talking about drinking water?

Your arguement is so biased, it's giving me a damn cancer. There's no other explanation, and furthermore he has only shown the abilites of Jinton and Sensing. And that Barrier. Jinton turns people into damn dust. So no. Flight with sensing? No. Barrier flight? Never seen such a damn thing.

Biased posts, so damn biased.

I never said you were talking about drinking water. Drinking Water clearly isn't the same as the Water that runs through the pipes of people's houses. (Tap Water) Unless you drink Tap Water. I don't though.

There is an explanation, but in favor of wanting to give Obito the Deva Path's abilities despite the evidence that points towards the opposite direction. That is a perfect representation of bias.

-Juubi gave him flight. Deva gives levitation. Not active flight like Obito has. How can Deva give him something that Deva can't use? Oh wait, it can't.

Juubi lets Obito fly. Simple as that. Reply again when you have gotten the bias out of your system.

I mean, a second after becoming the Juubi's Jin he's flying. How is that not a Juubi ability? Especially when at that time all he did was make use of Juubi abilities since he was pretty much under its control or almost under its control/ lmao. Some people.

 

[Xāvî1]

Finally, someone other than Nagato using more than 2 paths

madara already did use two paths

 

[BlacLord™]

I thought it was just Flight Technique like Oonoki uses, if he saw it, I don't see why he couldn't have copied it with the Sharingan.

 

[AGoodBoy]

No need

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Jumping up and raising your hands doesn't = levitation. Levitating people don't plummet to earth. Only people who jump up fall down.

 

[Draphsin]

Jumping up and raising your hands doesn't = levitation. Levitating people don't plummet to earth. Only people who jump up fall down.

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He was suspended in mid air...

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He didnt drop until naruto entered the battlefield...

You mean to propose that deva was in mid air for his entire shinra tensei from a simple jump? Even after it was confirmed that pein can manipulate gravitational forces?

Sorry but the evidence is against you, Its more than confirmed.

 

[AGoodBoy]

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He was suspended in mid air...

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He didnt drop until naruto entered the battlefield...

You mean to propose that deva was in mid air for his entire shinra tensei from a simple jump? Even after it was confirmed that pein can manipulate gravitational forces?

Sorry but the evidence is against you, Its more than confirmed.

The scan you showed clearly shows him falling.

No evidence is against me if you know physics...

He jumped up.
Reached pinnacle and used shinra
force of shinra helped delay his fall(upward force >= weight)
He instantly started to fall the second the jutsu finished.

Even someone using a grand fireball could do that if they could somehow muster enough force to counteract their weight.

The fact is that naga to has never levitated, nor has madara or rinnegan obito. Only juubito has. it's complete contradiction of manga to state otherwise and no I don't know what jitsu allows that, he did say "your logic and reasoning no longer applies to me"...

 

[Draphsin]

The scan you showed clearly shows him falling.

No evidence is against me if you know physics...

He jumped up.
Reached pinnacle and used shinra
force of shinra helped delay his fall(upward force >= weight)
He instantly started to fall the second the jutsu finished.

Wrong

Pein was in the air for multiple moments before he used that jutsu

Also, show me a ninja who can jump as high as mountains (yes he was as high as mountains)

If you follow physics then you would know that the ability to control gravity = levitation, no matter what you say to try to discredit it, you will still be incorrect. Unless the ability to control gravity =/= levitation then you are wrong. & if you believe such a statement to be true then prove to me with physics why it would be impossible for him to do so..

Also explain why he stopped his trajectory in the middle of the village, someone who cannot control their trajectory in mid air (aka if they jump) cannot come to a complete halt at the peek of their jump either;

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The scan of him jumping clearly shows him moving in a diagonal motion then the next scan shows him in the middle of the village, perfectly. If your logic held true then his trajectory would've landed him in a completely different area, not directly downward. That would be the force of gravity bringing him back down to the ground, whereas he wasn't being hindered by such a thing before his attack...

Even someone using a grand fireball could do that if they could somehow muster enough force to counteract their weight.

As I said this is merely an excuse which you are trying to use to contradict the manga's statements.

The fact is that naga to has never levitated, nor has madara or rinnegan obito. Only juubito has. it's complete contradiction of manga to state otherwise and no I don't know what jitsu allows that, he did say "your logic and reasoning no longer applies to me"...

As I said, you blatantly ignore the manga scans which state deva's ability to control gravity (gravity is what keeps us cemented to the ground!) & the obvious scans which precede & follow the first scan I showed you. The evidence is substantial yet you're choosing to ignore it & believe it to be something else.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Wrong

Pein was in the air for multiple moments before he used that jutsu

Also, show me a ninja who can jump as high as mountains (yes he was as high as mountains)

If you follow physics then you would know that the ability to control gravity = levitation, no matter what you say to try to discredit it, you will still be incorrect. Unless the ability to control gravity =/= levitation then you are wrong. & if you believe such a statement to be true then prove to me with physics why it would be impossible for him to do so..

Also explain why he stopped his trajectory in the middle of the village, someone who cannot control their trajectory in mid air (aka if they jump) cannot come to a complete halt at the peek of their jump either;

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The scan of him jumping clearly shows him moving in a diagonal motion then the next scan shows him in the middle of the village, perfectly. If your logic held true then his trajectory would've landed him in a completely different area, not directly downward. That would be the force of gravity bringing him back down to the ground, whereas he wasn't being hindered by such a thing before his attack...



As I said this is merely an excuse which you are trying to use to contradict the manga's statements.



As I said, you blatantly ignore the manga scans which state deva's ability to control gravity (gravity is what keeps us cemented to the ground!) & the obvious scans which precede & follow the first scan I showed you. The evidence is substantial yet you're choosing to ignore it & believe it to be something else.

Deva controls attractive and repulsive forces. He pushes and pulls objects to and from himself( acting as a center). He doesn't control gravity in the sense you assume. Pushing and pulling forces can't make you levitate, they can only propel you. Nothing suggest naga to can remotely control the weight of anything. Without controlling weight he can't levitate, that ends your argument.

Now, you also make the claim that he came to a hault directly in the center of the village.
1) the angle he jumped at was skewed by the point of view of the camera. You can't just assume he jumped diagonally when as far as we know he jumped straight up.
2) the angle he jumped at didn't need to be great. It could've been 5degrees to the vertical .

Deva didn't stop himself at the height of his jump, he naturally stopped due to deceleration. Like I said before, it could've been aST boosted jump seeing as guy jumped into the clouds with gates.

Like I said nothing suggest deva path can levitate or fly. There is zero evidence. There is also zero evidence for deva controlling weight, he can only control attractive and repulsive gravitational forces around him. That can only propel you, it's the same as setting off TNT under your feet and calling it flying/levitation. It's not.

The nail in the coffin is obi to only flying after gaining juubi.

Obitos never used anything but outer path, he's not using any other path abilities without 6 pop

 

[Zexion~]

Wait what is this BS

nagato could not walk with his injuries when he was revived, how else do you think he fought that battle against Naruto Bee and Itachi

 

[Luamek]

i mean he does have the rinnegan -_-

 

[Draphsin]

Deva controls attractive and repulsive forces. He pushes and pulls objects to and from himself( acting as a center). He doesn't control gravity in the sense you assume. Pushing and pulling forces can't make you levitate, they can only propel you. Nothing suggest naga to can remotely control the weight of anything. Without controlling weight he can't levitate, that ends your argument.

He controls the weight of the objects he attracts & repels, he did it to the boulder he sent flying towards naruto

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He simply repelled himself from the ground. Have you ever seen two magnets with opposite forces touch each other? No, they stay suspended. He repels himself from the ground, thus keeping himself suspended.

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Kakashi explains that deva controls gravity & repulsion forces. Not only that but he confirms my statement by saying that he can push objects from his center (the object being the ground).

Btw dont tell me that he cant do it for a long period of time because of the interval, because that interval only comes into play after deva is finished repelling or attracting an object. There's nothing stating that he can't keep the objects repelled until he decides to send them back. The interval comes into play after that.

Now, you also make the claim that he came to a hault directly in the center of the village.
1) the angle he jumped at was skewed by the point of view of the camera. You can't just assume he jumped diagonally when as far as we know he jumped straight up.
2) the angle he jumped at didn't need to be great. It could've been 5degrees to the vertical .

First of all the angle was not skewed as much as you like to think, look at tsunade jumping

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deva.

Secondly, they were standing on top of the hokage's building, at the back of the village. The angle was incredibly great, stop denying the manga.

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Deva didn't stop himself at the height of his jump, he naturally stopped due to deceleration. Like I said before, it could've been aST boosted jump seeing as guy jumped into the clouds with gates.

He jumped normally & then stopped in the middle of the village, even with your example he wouldnt be able to directly hit the center of the village, something like that requires precision. You dont get precision unless you can control yourself in mid air (which he does via the control of repulsion forces).

Like I said nothing suggest deva path can levitate or fly. There is zero evidence. There is also zero evidence for deva controlling weight, he can only control attractive and repulsive gravitational forces around him. That can only propel you, it's the same as setting off TNT under your feet and calling it flying/levitation. It's not.

Wrong, setting off TNT? Really? No, its the same thing as having two magnets with an opposite attraction trying to repel off of each other. He controls that force, which in turn means he can control what repels off of him, & in this case its the ground, therefore he can levitate.

The nail in the coffin is obi to only flying after gaining juubi.

So what? How do you know that having the juubi's chakra allows obito to use deva path? He only trained in using the outer path but how do you know that the juubi's chakra didnt immediately gain him mastery over that ability? Sorry but this isnt relevant evidence.

Obitos never used anything but outer path, he's not using any other path abilities without 6 pop

He stated himself that he can use human path, you dont know what path abilities he has so this assumption is baseless..

Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

 

[Crossroads]

It's actually more safe to assume that flying/levitating is a perk given to those who wield the power of the Juubi.

Why didn't Obito levitate fighting Naruto/Kakashi/Guy/Bee??

Or any other time in the Manga, lol.

 

[AGoodBoy]

He controls the weight of the objects he attracts & repels, he did it to the boulder he sent flying towards naruto

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He simply repelled himself from the ground. Have you ever seen two magnets with opposite forces touch each other? No, they stay suspended. He repels himself from the ground, thus keeping himself suspended.

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Kakashi explains that deva controls gravity & repulsion forces. Not only that but he confirms my statement by saying that he can push objects from his center (the object being the ground).

Btw dont tell me that he cant do it for a long period of time because of the interval, because that interval only comes into play after deva is finished repelling or attracting an object. There's nothing stating that he can't keep the objects repelled until he decides to send them back. The interval comes into play after that.



First of all the angle was not skewed as much as you like to think, look at tsunade jumping

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deva.

Secondly, they were standing on top of the hokage's building, at the back of the village. The angle was incredibly great, stop denying the manga.

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He jumped normally & then stopped in the middle of the village, even with your example he wouldnt be able to directly hit the center of the village, something like that requires precision. You dont get precision unless you can control yourself in mid air (which he does via the control of repulsion forces).



Wrong, setting off TNT? Really? No, its the same thing as having two magnets with an opposite attraction trying to repel off of each other. He controls that force, which in turn means he can control what repels off of him, & in this case its the ground, therefore he can levitate.



So what? How do you know that having the juubi's chakra allows obito to use deva path? He only trained in using the outer path but how do you know that the juubi's chakra didnt immediately gain him mastery over that ability? Sorry but this isnt relevant evidence.



He stated himself that he can use human path, you dont know what path abilities he has so this assumption is baseless..

Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Half of this just solidifies my Statements, the others are tailored real world applications.

This desperate attempt to prove obi to can use deva is just silly.

>obi to was going p use human path.
Yes, this totally debunks my.statement that he can only use path abilities with 6 paths... Seriously?
Posting scan of kakashi saying he controls attractive and repulsive forces, then highlighting the word gravity when all gravity is is a force attracting on mass to the center of a greater mass.

The only useful thing you said was his jumpangel which honestly changes nothing. The mere force of that ST would change his trajectory. The ffunniest thing is that out of all those scans you posted, naga to was either moving with a velocity upward or downward. The only 'stationary' scan is that of him using ST.

Your example of magnetics hold no merit because magnets don't release a burst of energy and then have a cool down effect. Hence, my example with TNT is more valid. ST and BT are completely different.

Finally, I'm not using abs sense of evidence. I'm using the evidence thatno rinnegan user ever used flight and always resorted to jumping or other means.

Obito using flightliterally the exact moment he becomes jin isn't a coincidence. Its literally an explanation from the offer of what gives him that ability. Otherwise, by your logic I should just give madara and nagato omnyoudon. For all we know, its Rinnegan's ability that nagato didn't feel like soloing with.

 

[Draphsin]

Half of this just solidifies my Statements, the others are tailored real world applications.

This desperate attempt to prove obi to can use deva is just silly.

I could care less if obito can use it or not, I'm proving you wrong that deva allows one the ability to fly/levitate, I simply debunked your obito example & because you peg me as a fanboy you think I'm trying to give obito abilities that he may not have. I never once said that it was confirmed yet you go on to say that becoming the juubi jinchuuriki allows for flight with absolutely zero proof to support it. I rebutted you while you make the desperate assumptions, you don't know if obito is using deva or not, because as I said you don't know what path abilities he possesses, end of story.

>obi to was going p use human path.
Yes, this totally debunks my.statement that he can only use path abilities with 6 paths... Seriously?

What does that even mean?? "he can only use path abilities with 6 paths"....? Lol Clarify your statements please.

Posting scan of kakashi saying he controls attractive and repulsive forces, then highlighting the word gravity when all gravity is is a force attracting on mass to the center of a greater mass.

Uhh okay, you're kind of agreeing with me here...lol. He can control attractive & repulsive forces along with gravity. He has the required prerequisites in order to levitate, I don't see what your point is.

The only useful thing you said was his jumpangel which honestly changes nothing. The mere force of that ST would change his trajectory.

And of course you disregard my rebuttal concerning the precision it takes to get to the absolute center of the village from where he was with just a simple ST. Also when has nagato used ST to propel himself across a battlefield? If such a thing was true then why was there no emphasis on it in the scan showing him jump? Obviously something like that wouldn't simply be ignored.

The ffunniest thing is that out of all those scans you posted, naga to was either moving with a velocity upward or downward. The only 'stationary' scan is that of him using ST.

Hilarious, what does his upward & downward velocity have to do with anything? He moved in a diagonal/upward direction & suspended himself directly above the village. The stationary scan which you keep on ignoring (LML) is the one with his arms raised as he's about to cast the jutsu. He didn't cast it yet & he was suspended in mid air directly above the village with no forward trajectory after the fact. All of these clearly imply that the force of gravity was not burdening him at that point. You can claim otherwise all you want but more proof suggests you are wrong.

Your example of magnetics hold no merit because magnets don't release a burst of energy and then have a cool down effect. Hence, my example with TNT is more valid. ST and BT are completely different.

Actually no my example of levitation is more accurate, as I guessed you believe that deva's repulsion ability works based on some sort of timer, well no. Deva can repel (by suspension) any object until he decides to release that repulsive force, along with the object in turn. After which he has to worry about the cooldown. My example is more accurate because that's whats happening before the force is released (unlike your TNT example which occurs during that release).

Finally, I'm not using abs sense of evidence. I'm using the evidence thatno rinnegan user ever used flight and always resorted to jumping or other means.

Wrong, I proved multiple times that deva can levitate because he not only possesses the prerequisites but he also clearly suspended himself in mid air before & for a few moments after he used CST. The trajectory of his jump, the fact that he controls both gravity & repulsion forces, & the fact that he's higher in the air than any other ninja has been seen to jump. With this proof I can safely lead to my conclusion however you saying that obito can only use outer path is based on the absence of evidence.

Obito using flightliterally the exact moment he becomes jin isn't a coincidence. Its literally an explanation from the offer of what gives him that ability. Otherwise, by your logic I should just give madara and nagato omnyoudon. For all we know, its Rinnegan's ability that nagato didn't feel like soloing with.

This point doesn't even make sense. I clearly said that we don't know the abilities of rinnegan obito, the fact that he can use human path proves that he hasn't shown us all of his rinnegan abilities. You don't know if obito had deva & simply didn't train himself how to use it properly. Obito obtaining the juubi's chakra & immediately getting the levitation ability can easily be explained as an enhanced deva path, what evidence is there to say otherwise??

Btw my logic doesn't suggest anything so foolish, we haven't seen another rinnegan user use omnyoudon. We have however seen another rinnegan user suspend themselves in mid air (deva), therefore my statement regarding levitation via deva is valid.

 

[Takos]

I'm also pretty sure it's a Juubi-jin thing.
It would just be a damn weird coincidence for Obito not to use it at ALL before becoming a jinchuuriki only to start using it all the time after that point.

It's just like with that fancy Sage's staff - it just popped out of nowhere. Being Juubi's jinchuuriki gives you many unexplainable perks.

 

[Pizcobaby]

who was arguing? i thought this was common knowledge...

 

[H a n]

Amazing how fast they learn moves.. He may have been watching Pain's fights or something to learn such things.