Confirm, Minato always as fast as Raikage without FTG

[Gold Lightning]

He's still fast without it but his speed hype is mostly because of his FTG and I'm sure he needs it to battle Ay or he wouldn't have teleported away and back just to try and slice V2 Ay.

He needs FTG to give him the advantage. Doesn't mean he needs it to be able to take on Ay. Minato is in no way slower than Ay in any department.

FTG > shunshin. So yes, any sane person would use the technique that gets the job done quicker. Why's he gonna use shunshin which will only get him away from Ay, doesn't allow him to counter as efficiently as he would with FTG. Plus using shunshin against Ay means minato is risking engaging him in Taijutsu/CQC, minato will lose. So FTG is safest and fastest method. We already saw KCM Naruto unable to do anything to Ay, and only got past him once due to the head start that Naruto got. Minato was static and had no head start, and had never seen Ay's speed before, so his speed was a surprise, hence the last minute FTG counter.

 

[Narutimate Storm]

Minato's speed with FTG=RCM
Minato's speed without FTG=RCM?

Lol You can't be as fast as FTG with just body flicker alone. Plus, Yellow Flash was given to both Body Flicker and Hiraishin. Ei praised Minato because he was able to react to his RCM's full speed the first time. Give FTG to someone with less reflexes and they can't perform the same feat.

Plus, it doesn't specify that he's as fast as Minato without FTG.

FTG>>>>>>>>>>RCM

Databook says Raikage RCM as fast as yellow flash, which impossible if they talking of ftg. So obviously it mean:

Minato with not FTG = RCM Raikage.

Space time ninjutsu not make you the fastest. Otherwise obito would have to be known as fastest, or tobirama and minato would be the same (which of course not true).

Minato was known as greatest in god like speed among all shinobi (databook). Raikage confirms this as well. Take away ftg, would minato become slower than Ei? Course not, fastest shinobi cannot lose to Ei in speed. Defeat the point of being called fastest.

 

[YellowFang]

He needs FTG to give him the advantage. Doesn't mean he needs it to be able to take on Ay. Minato is in no way slower than Ay in any department.

FTG > shunshin. So yes, any sane person would use the technique that gets the job done quicker. Why's he gonna use shunshin which will only get him away from Ay, doesn't allow him to counter as efficiently as he would with FTG. Plus using shunshin against Ay means minato is risking engaging him in Taijutsu/CQC, minato will lose. So FTG is safest and fastest method. We already saw KCM Naruto unable to do anything to Ay, and only got past him once due to the head start that Naruto got. Minato was static and had no head start, and had never seen Ay's speed before, so his speed was a surprise, hence the last minute FTG counter.

Good work there, you put it in the right words...

 

[VongolaX]

Last time I saw "god-like," was when Hebi Sasuke attempted to blitz Tobi.
I don't think it's anything to get excited about.

 

[Narutimate Storm]

Last time I saw "god-like," was when Hebi Sasuke attempted to blitz Tobi.
I don't think it's anything to get excited about.

That early shippuden,/hebi sasuke. Back when raikge not even exist yet.

Hebi sasuke a snail compare to ei.

 

[YamatoWho]

OrganicDinosaur was asked to clarify the translation on NF, and this is what she said:

My version of this is:

尾獣チャクラモードのナルトにも追いつけ、”黄色い閃光”にも劣らない神速を誇る。

"Even catching up to Naruto in bijyuu chakra-mode, boasting Godspeed that is even equal to the “Yellow Flash”. "


The problem is that the words are ambiguous.

追いつけ= to catch up to, but can also mean to overtake (catchup+ beyond). “Catching up to” is the way more common usage, IMHO, if it had been something like 凌駕 or 追い抜き, that would indicate to me that it is surpassing.

劣らない= not inferior to, but colloquially it means more like “equal to”.

神速= Godspeed/extreme swiftness

誇る = boast, be proud of, take pride in oneself in

 

[Dockinabix]

Raikage overspeed edo-madara forcing him to lunch susan'oo.

And Itachi fappers saying he is faster. It seems that fapping turns you blind like your fav.

Raikage and minato were the fastest shinobi that lived.

 

[Narutimate Storm]

OrganicDinosaur was asked to clarify the translation on NF, and this is what she said:

Still the same thing.

Just further of confirmation that Raikage was never faster than minato.

In Shunshin, they equal

In reaction, reflexes, striking speed, minato superior

With ftg, minato completely different league.

 

[Narutimate Storm]

People downrating my thread Lol

Why? Truth hurt or what. I only provide what databook say. Fact is fact.

 

[Haizaki]

He needs FTG to give him the advantage. Doesn't mean he needs it to be able to take on Ay. Minato is in no way slower than Ay in any department.

FTG > shunshin. So yes, any sane person would use the technique that gets the job done quicker. Why's he gonna use shunshin which will only get him away from Ay, doesn't allow him to counter as efficiently as he would with FTG. Plus using shunshin against Ay means minato is risking engaging him in Taijutsu/CQC, minato will lose. So FTG is safest and fastest method. We already saw KCM Naruto unable to do anything to Ay, and only got past him once due to the head start that Naruto got. Minato was static and had no head start, and had never seen Ay's speed before, so his speed was a surprise, hence the last minute FTG counter.

Nice point but when I said to battle Ay, I rather meant to have the overall edge...@Bold he did know about it when he teleported to Killer B the second time at the last minute. Plus Ay already saw his movements and attempted to get to the Kunai he was going to teleport to next which implies that the speed difference isn't much at least if Ay had much confidence in his full speed after what he saw.

Minato is superior anyways but not by a huge gap.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Nice point but when I said to battle Ay, I rather meant to have the overall edge...@Bold he did know about it when he teleported to Killer B the second time at the last minute. Plus Ay already saw his movements and attempted to get to the Kunai he was going to teleport to next which implies that the speed difference isn't much at least if Ay had much confidence in his full speed after what he saw.

Minato is superior anyways but not by a huge gap.

Yeah minato knew about it the second time, however minato was signalled to retreat, he was walking away with his back turned, with no intention to fight. By Minatos facial expression, we can see he wasn't really bothered, he already knew he was gonna surprise Ay by appearing at Bees location.

I don't deny their speed difference. This scan translation says Ay's speed is in no way inferior/equal to the yellow flash. Yet Ay already admitted inferiority to minato. So the db must be referring to foot speed, while Ay was referring to FTG. Because it's impossible to be equal to instant teleportaion and would contradict what Ay himself said.

I don't really take Ay seriously in his confidence in reaching Minatos next teleport. Because after mianto teleported the second time, Ay had to then look around to see exactly which Kunai minato could have moved to, even in his mind he had time to say "now which is it". Pretty sure minato had enough time to counter again, even if Ay did spot him. Besides, that was some crappy writing on Kishi's part, why would Ay try to blitz minato again after his previous failed attempt, what was stopping minato from replicating the same Kunai counter toss manoeuvre that he just did to Ay Lol. Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome...Insanity much Lol

 

[Great Master Minato]

I think Minato is faster, but I just can't see him winning against current A with just speed alone, even if he uses Hiraishin, and Kyubi Chakra Mode.

BM Minato Solos The Entire Hidden Cloud Village.

 

[Ambivalence]

I think Minato is faster, but I just can't see him winning against current A with just speed alone, even if he uses Hiraishin, and Kyubi Chakra Mode.

Why not? How does Minato lose to Ay when he outclasses him in Ay's pretty much only advantage - his speed? BM Minato has more than enough ''firepower'' to break through Ay's armour, so i really don't understand your post...

 

[Gold Lightning]

First of all, it's not Ay, it's just A...

Anyway, I'm just basing it on what he said about fighting Minato many times in the past; one could wonder why didn't Minato managed to kill him during that time.

Years passed since Minato's death, and A is probably stronger than before, and one thing that I especially count, A seems more bloodthirsty than Minato, and more ready to kill an opponent.

And Jinchuriki in general are kinda overrated.

You realise A and Bee were always a duo. It was probably always 2 v 1. Remember bee saved A the first time. Otherwise minato would have killed him.

@bold
You realise minato has like the largest body count in the entire manga right

 

[Great Master Minato]

First of all, it's not Ay, it's just A...

Anyway, I'm just basing it on what he said about fighting Minato many times in the past; one could wonder why didn't Minato managed to kill him during that time.

Years passed since Minato's death, and A is probably stronger than before, and one thing that I especially count, A seems more bloodthirsty than Minato, and more ready to kill an opponent.

And Jinchuriki in general are kinda overrated.

A Would End Up Vaporized If He Dare To Gallenge a Perfect Jin Lol

 

[Ambivalence]

Minato never aimed to kill A, that's why he didn't ''manage'' to do so.

Alive Minato is still stronger than A by feats, especially with A still missing an arm, let alone BM Minato.

''Bloodthirst'' hardly has anything to do with who's the superior one, and more often than not it's more of a liability than a helping factor. A's bloodthirst cost him an arm, would have possibly cost him even his life if Gaara hadn't stepped in at the Kage Summit.

I agree on your last point, but Minato's simply better. Still, i respect your opinion.

You realise minato has like the largest body count in the entire manga right

Whoa, there. Third Raikage says hello. Madara and Hashirama were also pretty much killing every day in the past. Obito indirectly killed 80k SA members.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato never aimed to kill A, that's why he didn't ''manage'' to do so.

Alive Minato is still stronger than A by feats, especially with A still missing an arm, let alone BM Minato.

''Bloodthirst'' hardly has anything to do with who's the superior one, and more often than not it's more of a liability than a helping factor. A's bloodthirst cost him an arm, would have possibly cost him even his life if Gaara hadn't stepped in at the Kage Summit.

I agree on your last point, but Minato's simply better. Still, i respect your opinion.



Whoa, there. Third Raikage says hello.

It was never said that Raikage killed anyone. He fought against many, but the number of those that he put down is unknown.

Minato was constantly wiping out platoons in seconds. Imagine doing that throughout the war on a daily basis. The databook said he did this too many times to count.

 

[Great Master Minato]

@Kviki This Is Your Opinion & None Of Us Can Change It...We Respect Your Opinion
But A Is Not Gonna Beat Minato Never...By Feats...By Hype...By Portrayal...Minato Is Clearly Superior.

 

[Ambivalence]

It was never said that Raikage killed anyone. He fought against many, but the number of those that he put down is unknown.

Oh, yeah, he faced 10 000 enemy shinobi and just sparred with them, right? The number isn't known, but 72 hours of non-stop fighting is more than enough of an evidence to the casualties.

There's only one scan in which i clearly remember Minato going up against a platoon (''don't even blink, not even for a second''), and the outcome wasn't even shown, so i could play your game as well. We've never even seen Minato actually kill anyone except those ninja Kakashi tried to test Chidori on (but that wasn't shown, so who knows, maybe he didn't kill them), so saying he has the highest body count sounds even more ludicrous.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Oh, yeah, he faced 10 000 enemy shinobi and just sparred with them, right? The number isn't known, but 72 hours of non-stop fighting is more than enough of an evidence to the casualties.

There's only one scan in which i clearly remember Minato going up against a platoon (''don't even blink, not even for a second''), and the outcome wasn't even shown, so i could play your game as well. We've never even seen Minato actually kill anyone except those ninja Kakashi tried to test Chidori on (but that wasn't shown, so who knows, maybe he didn't kill them), so saying he has the highest body count sounds even more ludicrous.

Minato told the konoha ninja to throw his Kunai and that he'd handle the rest, so of course he killed them all.

Raikage fought 10000 for 72 hours, but there's no indication of how many he killed or how many were left over. Hos only fought them to let his comrades escape, his intention was never to slaughter them all. For all we know, there could have been thousands remaining.

But anyway this is pointless, my point was minato has one of the highest body counts, by hype and feats. I'm sure third Raikage has more kills because he lived a much longer life than minato. But let's not forget that ninja were told to run if they ever saw minato, why do you think that is? Because that was the only option against minato, otherwise death.

I should have just said he had one of the highest body counts.