Conceled carried GUN OK???

[The Necromancer]

Average American citizens arent the ones trying to obtain guns for illegal purposes in the first place. The average American citizens are majority of the time the victims that youre taking the guns away from. The reason my experiences make me more right than you are because the kind of people from my experiences are exactly the people that would be the ones trying to get the guns.
Also this is not the way I live.

So you believe 100% of crime oriented guns are illegal, and 100% of guns for protection are legal?

 

[SpiderRider89]

Guns are bad period,

I agree but bad people with guns > unarmed good people..

Bad people with guns = good people with guns

 

[Fair Warning]

I agree but bad people with guns > unarmed good people..

Bad people with guns = good people with guns

How about, get this


​no guns

 

[SpiderRider89]

How about, get this


​no guns

Because criminals freely give up their guns.

I'm not trying to debate.

Guns saved me and my bothers life, against an armed and dangerous man. Enough said

your point is invalid to me.

 

[Sir Blades]

I know a girl who's ex boyfriend threatened her life and followed her around for about a year. She placed a restraining order on him but she kept seeing him, and she could never prove it because she didn't take pictures. He denied it and kept doing it. She bought a gun and told him about it, and she hasn't seen him in almost two years now. She used to come into work and tell me to watch for his car because he might drive past.

I have some stories of my own but Narutobase isn't the place to tell them.

Tell me now, what was preventing that guy from also buying a gun? That logic doesnt play well. Cause technically both that guy and girl were not criminals. They both could get a gun, and would have been and uglier situation.

 

[The Necromancer]

It's 4:25 AM here. I'm going to bed. Good luck defending yourselves from all of those attacks coming your way apparently.

Tell me now, what was preventing that guy from also buying a gun? That logic doesnt play well. Cause technically both that guy and girl were not criminals. They both could get a gun, and would have been and uglier situation.

Exactly.

 

[Sir Blades]

Louisiana actually xD

Ok, Lousiana, "Land of good seafood"

 

[Roby]

Oh ok, the moral implication is that you die if attacked by a vicious criminal if you don't carry a gun. That is a huge moral implication since most likely, you have family and have a obligation to survive for them. Heck, most guys have kids. Do I really need to connect the dots?

If someone pulls a gun at you, odds are you'll be dead before you reach for yours.

 

[SpiderRider89]

Tell me now, what was preventing that guy from also buying a gun? That logic doesnt play well. Cause technically both that guy and girl were not criminals. They both could get a gun, and would have been and uglier situation.

He wont be obtaining one legally. Also she is very skilled, I have watched videos of her destroying targets.

He is larger than her and a easier target to hit. She is small, quick and skilled. She's actually in training to become an officer.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Wrong! If you don't have a gun when someone attacks you, you are stupid, as stupid as someone that didn't wear a seat belt when their car crashes.


Obviously people can abuse guns more than seat belts, but guns are so easy to get, perhaps almost as easy as weed. Criminals aready have them. If someone is going to mug someone, they are 100% positive to bring a gun.

So many logical fallacies for such short sentences.

If someone is going to mug someone, they are 100% positive to bring a gun. There are many muggings that occur with a knife or even no weapon at all simply the presentation of what should be conceived as a weapon(for every 5 gun robbery videos there is 1 where the robber only pretends to have a gun in his pocket only to pull his hand with his thumb and index finger shaped like a gun. For every 10 there is 3 videos of a robber using a bat/knife/tree etc. not all robbers are smart, in fact most are strung out on their drug of choice at the moment of the crime. And lastly for every 3 gun robbery videos there is 1 where the robber never lifts the gun above their waste despite being hit by the attempted victim you know why? Because most robbers don't want a murder/attempted murder charge and go in with an empty gun hoping fear will get them results)

but guns are so easy to get, perhaps almost as easy as weed. Where to begin, there's not a gun dealer on every corner, stores have a waiting period and no convicted felon can get one that way without first getting false paperwork.

As for your other posts about needing to protect yourself let me give you a much more realistic and likely scenario than any of the hyperbole's you've presented.

Guy A wants to rob Guy B and get away from the scene as quick as possible.

Guy A has a gun Guy B does not, A walks to B holds his gun in front of B and says I want your money, B gives him the money in his pocket,totaling less then 2% of his entire savings,(Because he has a family to go home to) while A runs away.

Now your version.

Guy A and Guy B have a gun

Scenario 1
A goes to rob B, pulls out his gun and says I want your money. B reaches for what looks like his money and pulls out a gun of his own. Guy A gets scared and pulls the trigger shooting Guy B.

Scenario 2
A goes to rob B, pulls out his gun and says I want your money. B reaches for what looks like his money and pulls out a gun of his own. Guy A gets mad and shoots Guy B for resisting.

Scenario 3
A goes to rob B, pulls out his gun and says I want your money. B reaches for what looks like his money and pulls out a gun of his own. Guy B starts shooting at A and A returns fire but since both of them(like most gun wielding people) didn't actually do any training with their guns because they believe Hollywood that anyone can fire a gun accurately under duress, they shoot 5-6 innocent civilians injuring most and possibly killing 1.

Scenario 4
A goes to rob B, pulls out his gun and says I want your money. B reaches for what looks like his money and pulls out a gun of his own. Guy A and Guy B shoot each other and they both die.

 

[UchihaKira]

So you believe 100% of crime oriented guns are illegal, and 100% of guns for protection are legal?

Nothing is 100% obviously but Im saying the majority are. You say you dont know youre being a douchebag then you ask me a stupid question like that. Im saying that its not worth it to reduce the number of gun crimes by 3% when at the same time that reduces the civilians who protect themselves from robbery,murder, etc by 4%. It may only be 1% but even if its one extra innocent life lost its not worth the gain. There are just more negatives than positives.

Also I feel like I must specify when talking to you, those are not actual %s. Its an example.

 

[UchihaKira]

Ok, Lousiana, "Land of good seafood"

Its the best xD thats about the only aspect of Louisiana that I love.

 

[Sir Blades]

He wont be obtaining one legally. Also she is very skilled, I have watched videos of her destroying targets.

He is larger than her and a easier target to hit. She is small, quick and skilled. She's actually in training to become an officer.

You didn't answer my question, what is preventing him from getting one "legally"? Is he a person with a criminal record?
She could be skilled, but she is physically weaker, one gun shot my take a couple of seconds for reaction, more that enough time for the guy to do some damage as well. But whatever i'm out, too tired to discuss.

 

[Typhon Uchiha]

Look at this from an economic point of view, if you make it illegal to own, possess, make and distribute a firearm of any sort in the US alone, that immediately takes out about 7 billion dollars worth of firearms out of circulation.

Lets say at an average of 1000 per gun, that means their is 7 million weapons, which cant be accessed each year!
You say you can just go to Mexico or import them, who supplies Mexico with their weapons, America.

Who else makes enough weapons to import from in vast enough quantity to make them so accessible to the average buyer? Russia... Good luck trying to get something from there.

The cost of getting a firearm would be so expensive, that alone would deter most criminals. Purchasing narcotics and a firearm are completely different ballparks, a firearm would cost like 5-10 times more than the current price. How many petty criminals have 5k+ to drop on a gun?

If you honestly think that making it illegal will not make it safer, you are deluded.
Its illegal in Australia and New Zealand, and I dont have to worry about some crook carrying a concealed firearm, and thats with all of the USA's guns in circulation.

 

[j1388686]

How about, get this


​no guns

You sound like a sheeple, is that what you are?

so what happens if guns are illegalized, then everyone turns in their guns right? Problem solved?
Plot twist: The government goes on a rampage and starts taking peoples rights, properties, liberties and freedoms away. What would stop them?

"The people should not be afraid of the government, The government should be afraid of the people." -V for Vendetta

 

[Sir Blades]

You sound like a sheeple, is that what you are?

so what happens if guns are illegalized, then everyone turns in their guns right? Problem solved?
Plot twist: The government goes on a rampage and starts taking peoples rights, properties, liberties and freedoms away. What would stop them?

"The people should not be afraid of the government, The government should be afraid of the people." -V for Vendetta

1. You obviously dont know how the government works.
2. You are quoting a movie......a MOVIE. Its not helping your case.

 

[SpiderRider89]

You didn't answer my question, what is preventing him from getting one "legally"? Is he a person with a criminal record?
She could be skilled, but she is physically weaker, one gun shot my take a couple of seconds for reaction, more that enough time for the guy to do some damage as well. But whatever i'm out, too tired to discuss.

Obviously background checks.......

You don't know very much about guns do you? There are low recoil pistols, that are made for smaller people. She's not carrying around a shotgun lol.

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She has law enforcement training, he has none. He doesn't even know how to use a gun (or didn't in the past).

Regardless of what you think, it worked for her and it's over now.

 

[EnDash]

why not have a concealed pepper spray or non lethal gun? they are just as effective and don't kill anyone. just because you are worried about your safety doesn't mean we need to hand you a tool that is designed and meant to kill. a gun is more offensive then defensive, and you want to protect yourself right?

 

[UchihaKira]

You sound like a sheeple, is that what you are?

so what happens if guns are illegalized, then everyone turns in their guns right? Problem solved?
Plot twist: The government goes on a rampage and starts taking peoples rights, properties, liberties and freedoms away. What would stop them?

"The people should not be afraid of the government, The government should be afraid of the people." -V for Vendetta

Im pretty sure hes saying no guns, period. Like at all, nonexistant. Which I agree, every gun in the world should disappear and everyone should forget about them forever. Along with all other unnecessary weapons. This would be the only true and permenant solution. Thats just a fairy tale though.

 

[UchihaKira]

why not have a concealed pepper spray or non lethal gun? they are just as effective and don't kill anyone. just because you are worried about your safety doesn't mean we need to hand you a tool that is designed and meant to kill. a gun is more offensive then defensive, and you want to protect yourself right?

I wanted to agree with this, but the fact is gun>pepperspray in 99.9% of situations. Most people in that situation are pretty unqualified to defend themselves in that situation with just that and against a gun. If someones kicking down your door you cant pepper spray them through a peep hole, but you can blow a hole straight through the door and them.