[VS] CM2 Sasuke vs SM Jiraiya
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Make an argument or gtfo.
-Sasuke has vastly superior speed.
-Sasuke wins CQC with ease. His Raiton enhanced Kusanagi range makes Frog kata's slight range increase a non-factor. Sasuke would destroy after his 3T pre-cognition is factored in. One touch numbs Jiraiya's body and allows Sasuke to end.
-Snakes bind Jiraiya and can poison him with a single bite in the case he doesn't instantly use his hair shield--which is easily penetrated by Sasuke's chidori spear.
-Katon's will all be in Sasuke's favor, since a few of Jiraiya's Katons and some of Sasuke's dragons fired into the sky will create some massive thunderstorms. And no, Amateratsu isn't a prerequisite due to the fact that the DB itself states the Katon dragons could replicate the clouds. Kirin ends.
I don't think base Jiraiya would take it easily. It would be a high-diff fight for him with his summons.
However, SM Jiraiya simply mid-diffs. I wouldn't call SM Jiraiya in another league necessarily, but
he would be on the higher spectrum of the league, with Sasuke being on the lower spectrum. Sasuke's
speed is overhyped. All shinobi seem extremely fast in front of fodders. He's faster than Jiraiya, but
definitely nowhere near the speed required for Jiraiya to be unable to react.
However, SM Jiraiya simply mid-diffs. I wouldn't call SM Jiraiya in another league necessarily, but
he would be on the higher spectrum of the league, with Sasuke being on the lower spectrum. Sasuke's
speed is overhyped. All shinobi seem extremely fast in front of fodders. He's faster than Jiraiya, but
definitely nowhere near the speed required for Jiraiya to be unable to react.
How does Sasuke counter Toad Mouth Trap? How does he counter Toad Gourd Barrier? You want to use the databook? DB says Jiraiya is superior to Sasuke in CQC. DB says they are equal in base, so cut the vastly superior crap because SM and CS2 Sasuke are not equal in speed, its obvious who is faster. Snakes bind Jiraiya? Lmafo. Toad battalion crushes Sasuke and Manda. Do you not remember Ma + Pa are on Jiraiya shoulders? CQC is a death wish for Sasuke. He gets hit point blank range with fire styles wind styles and corrosive acid. Ma shoots her Dust Cloud to blind him and Jiraiya kill him with Sage Rasengan from his blind side. Sasuke stands no chance.
The only reason Jiraiya does not win neg difficulty is because Sasuke can fly up a bit with his wings to evade his attacks, but its going to only delay the inevitable. Jiraiya wins low difficulty.
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The wank is real
- Hebi Sasuke and Jiraiya both have a 4.5 in speed in the databook, your "vastly superior" comment is fanfic.
-4.5 in Tai, while Sasuke has a 3.5, Jiraiya can manhandle Sasuke in a CQC, sharingan, or not.
- Snakes bind Jiraiya lmfao, base Jiraiya is not going to get caught by Sasky, let alone SM Jiraiya.
Did you forget that one lf Jiraiya's greatest rivals had a snake fetish?
-Sasuke will be dead before he can fire off a Kirin.
-Hmm?.. Only base capabilities are considered in the DB. Things like chakra enhancements aren't accounted for i.e. shunshin/CM2. One of the reasons why Sakura's strength is only 3 (if I recall correctly) yet easily a 5 would chakra enhancement. It's just your misinterpretation, not my fan-fic.
-Then again Kenjutsu is vastly superior to taijutsu in terms of lethality and range, and sharingan isn't being accounted for when we are speaking taijutsu.
Sure he will die.
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Jiraiya is good at shunshin as well, you should realize. And even if Sasuke were to go CM2, his speed would still not overwhelm Jiraiya.-Hmm?.. Only base capabilities are considered in the DB. Things like chakra enhancements aren't accounted for i.e. shunshin/CM2. One of the reasons why Sakura's strength is only 3 (if I recall correctly) yet easily a 5 would chakra enhancement. It's just your misinterpretation, not my fan-fic.
-Then again Kenjutsu is vastly superior to taijutsu in terms of lethality and range, and sharingan isn't being accounted for when we are speaking taijutsu.
Sure he will die.
Jiraiya would still shit on Sasuke in CQC. At the bridge, Naruto was able to match Sasuke's raiton enhanced sword, with a kunai.
Jiraiya wins this mid diff
--he can send the 3 boss toads to fight off manda, as the latter would get outnumbered and outclassed by the 3 gama trio
--he can use his katon+oil combo with gamabunta to attack sasuke, and his SM reflexes easily enable him to fight off sasuke,
--he can use Yomi Numa to sink off Hydra, and can also use Frog Call to momentarily immobilise sasuke which would allow jiraiya to land a good SM rasengan on him,
--he can break off Sasuukes 3T genjutsu thanks to partnership through Ma&Pa,
--He can also use his Frog Song which would certainly give jiraiya the win, and if he lands a rasengan, (which will overpower Sasukes chidori variants) then jiraiya would also win
--he can send the 3 boss toads to fight off manda, as the latter would get outnumbered and outclassed by the 3 gama trio
--he can use his katon+oil combo with gamabunta to attack sasuke, and his SM reflexes easily enable him to fight off sasuke,
--he can use Yomi Numa to sink off Hydra, and can also use Frog Call to momentarily immobilise sasuke which would allow jiraiya to land a good SM rasengan on him,
--he can break off Sasuukes 3T genjutsu thanks to partnership through Ma&Pa,
--He can also use his Frog Song which would certainly give jiraiya the win, and if he lands a rasengan, (which will overpower Sasukes chidori variants) then jiraiya would also win
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a guy would a cheap knock off of sage mode vs a real sage mode user
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lol at idiots saying sasuke would win cqc, sage mode enhances all skills exponentially, including speed [
sasuke gets close, he and his weak chidori variants get destroyed by chou oodama rasengan which can be formed nigh instantly
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]sasuke gets close, he and his weak chidori variants get destroyed by chou oodama rasengan which can be formed nigh instantly
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I don't recall anything notable so I have no reason to assume it's on par with Sasuke's. You're simply going by that belief because you want to, not because you have evidence to support it. It would still be vastly superior to Jiraiya's, and that's al that counts. Deidara had a 4.5 in speed and was getting overwhelmed to the point he had to switch from C1 bird to C2.
No he wouldn't lmao. Never happened, bring scans of this fan-fic. Last I checked Yamato's kunai got chopped like it was butter, but then again I don't expect you to use common logic judging by the way you line up your half-assed arguments. Lol
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This is what im saying the jiraiya fanboys everywhere he gets smacked
How does toad mouth trap even catch sasuke also if he's caught chidori spear slices right through it or he kills jiraiya who hands are on the ground.
Cant say i know what the toad barrier jutsu is but i bet its useless. When did DB ever say that Jiraiya is superior to sasuke in Cqc witch is insanely false also the databook is an extremely unreliable source as it said Hebi sasuke has god like speeds that cannot be matched yata mirror invincibility. Sasuke is always praised for his speed while jiraiya didnt have one what speed feats did sm jiraiya have? none at all stop the wank sasuke would drag him in CQC superior speed + Sharingan pre-cog not even debatable. Bring down the house isnt happening sasuke will be paying attention to when he makes the summoning seals so he dodges it before it even comes close. Manda is to fast also can surface undergroung like a groundhog and even if they do fall on him manda swallows bunta and if he jumps on his face he contricts him with the lower half of the body. Why would Sasuke commit in CQC if the frogs are on his shoulder especially when he can fight better a long distance to prep kirin.
The only reason Jiraiya does not win neg difficulty is because Sasuke can fly up a bit with his wings to evade his attacks, but its going to only delay the inevitable. Jiraiya wins low difficulty.[/QUOTE]
Tsk slap yourself jiraiya cannot neg him anyshape or form
Manda would still stomp he was about to finish Bunta in seconds. He speed blitz all three also sasuke owns them with sharingan genjutsu. Who said jiraiya has the chakra to summon all 3 boss toads.
Manda already counterd that Sasuke does it in a similar fashion goes underground. Or Bunta is one shotted with sharingan genjutsu also that only helps sasuke use kirin GG Jiraiya.
Chidori neutralize the swamp the couldnt even sink fodder sankes let alone a boss summoning snake. Frog call is evaded easily also if they frogs hop off jiraiya shoulder genjutsu gg or katons.
Agreed........
Frog song is broken by curse mark. by this time kirin is ready to end him.
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Both have 4.5's, so foot speed is of no consequence.
CQC is meaningless in this fight. Jiraiya's Taijutsu is superior anyway.
Kusanagi will do nothing to inhibit Frog Kata. Don't know where you got that from.
That would require Sasuke to blitz, which isn't happening here. I know you're referring to the situation where Sasuke almost killed Suigetsu and Juugo. Key differences? Jiraiya won't have his back turned like those two did, and he's much quicker, experienced, and more skilled than those two.
Lol
Sasuke's not getting Kirin off.
