Clearing up Misconceptions of Chapter 674

[ComplexCity]

When is Draphsin going to solo again?

 

[Draphsin]

9 bijuus arent juubi, its different entity all together. He didnt seal them either he was just having their chakra.

How were they sealed into naruto? Through hagoromo's seal, the same seal used to seal the juubi.

Naruto only gets seal on his back when he is entering senjutsu mode opposed to juubi jins.

Juubi jins are always in senjutsu mode, plus naruto's seal appears in KCM/BM too. We don't know if naruto has a seal on his bare back like madara & obito, but we do know that naruto's mode makes his seals appear over his clothes.

Sage levitation could be due to rinnegan solely.

I havent seen madara or obito levitating before being jins, plus he still has gudo-damas.

People arent made of chakra thus obito cant incorporate them via absorption like chakra.

The juubi isn't pure chakra, it's chakra from the bijuu plus the gedo mazou, so this is irrelevant.

Once again, naruto was sensing bijus while obito held the seal, its little relevance to after minato's strike.

Once again, you're implying that obito used a seal & then used kamui on the rest of the juubi wich makes less sense than obito using one jutsu to seal it. I'm believing the more likely outcome & this isn't it by any stretch of the imagination.

Sun/moon staff could be references to different personalities for all we know.
Madara still has different staff from hagoromo while supposedly same seal. Wasnt you the one saying its only emulation of sage staff?
Then what would be a proper explanation for different seal design?

Madara & obito have less power than hagoromo, thus they have an incomplete staff. Obito had the least amount of power of the jins so the slight variation in the seal can be an indication of his power, like the staff.

Im saying that obito had to use kamui as sealing was interrupted thus juubi was far from sealed.

So he started sealing, it got interrupted, & he used kamui on the rest? First of all that would mean that only part of the juubi is in the kamui dimension, & secondly the juubi didn't enter madara's body until after he finished the seal, [

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] so how do you know that minato interrupted it? Obito could have been finished even before minato slashed him.

Clearly obito's eyes is blocked. Spiral lines are clearly displayed in the scan all around, the dust follows bended by kamui space and juubi is getting absorbed unevenly just like it happens with person via kamui.
Shall you request the scan i'll give them, but as obito fan yourself you should know well.

The scan I posted shows the juubi spiraling into madara's back, dust clouds are present, & so are the lines indicating movement. The only difference is that the lines in

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are slightly spiraling, but as I said before it's because the juubi had to twist itself around obito's body, rather than getting sucked straight into his back like it did with madara.

If kamui was being used then kamui lines would be present around obito in the last two panels of that scan, but instead we see the juubi just merge with his body. & He's grabbing the left side of his face because that's where black zetsu was.

Yet madara clearly used kamui now, so contradiction to your trade off.

No because that's obito's ability, not madara's. The trade off could only apply to the juubi jin's eyes.

Except kamui lines and absorbtion patterns?

Nothing of the sort, the juubi gets sealed into the back & obito was facing down, so the movement lines are slightly distorted [which matches with obito's theme but doesn't mean it's kamui].

For example the scar on obito's face is the same pattern as his kamui, that doesn't mean they're related, it's just part of his "spiral" theme.

Clearly kakashi hasnt displayed ability to absorb any1's chakra like obito neither had such intention in 1st place.

Doesn't matter, going by your logic if a bijuu gets transferred via kamui then the kamui user will become it's jin. All obito did was use kamui on it since he wasn't able to slip through dimensions. If obito actually absorbed it instead of using kamui to keep it there then he should still be able to use his ability.

 

[ComplexCity]

How were they sealed into naruto? Through hagoromo's seal, the same seal used to seal the juubi.



Juubi jins are always in senjutsu mode, plus naruto's seal appears in KCM/BM too. We don't know if naruto has a seal on his bare back like madara & obito, but we do know that naruto's mode makes his seals appear over his clothes.



I havent seen madara or obito levitating before being jins, plus he still has gudo-damas.



The juubi isn't pure chakra, it's chakra from the bijuu plus the gedo mazou, so this is irrelevant.



Once again, you're implying that obito used a seal & then used kamui on the rest of the juubi wich makes less sense than obito using one jutsu to seal it. I'm believing the more likely outcome & this isn't it by any stretch of the imagination.



Madara & obito have less power than hagoromo, thus they have an incomplete staff. Obito had the least amount of power of the jins so the slight variation in the seal can be an indication of his power, like the staff.



So he started sealing, it got interrupted, & he used kamui on the rest? First of all that would mean that only part of the juubi is in the kamui dimension, & secondly the juubi didn't enter madara's body until after he finished the seal, [

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] so how do you know that minato interrupted it? Obito could have been finished even before minato slashed him.



The scan I posted shows the juubi spiraling into madara's back, dust clouds are present, & so are the lines indicating movement. The only difference is that the lines in

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are slightly spiraling, but as I said before it's because the juubi had to twist itself around obito's body, rather than getting sucked straight into his back like it did with madara.

If kamui was being used then kamui lines would be present around obito in the last two panels of that scan, but instead we see the juubi just merge with his body. & He's grabbing the left side of his face because that's where black zetsu was.



No because that's obito's ability, not madara's. The trade off could only apply to the juubi jin's eyes.



Nothing of the sort, the juubi gets sealed into the back & obito was facing down, so the movement lines are slightly distorted [which matches with obito's theme but doesn't mean it's kamui].

For example the scar on obito's face is the same pattern as his kamui, that doesn't mean they're related, it's just part of his "spiral" theme.



Doesn't matter, going by your logic if a bijuu gets transferred via kamui then the kamui user will become it's jin. All obito did was use kamui on it since he wasn't able to slip through dimensions. If obito actually absorbed it instead of using kamui to keep it there then he should still be able to use his ability.

/solo'ed Lol

 

[AlphaScythian]

How were they sealed into naruto? Through hagoromo's seal, the same seal used to seal the juubi.

They werent, they got there by own will, and the seal purpose is defeated all together if they dont brake free.
I didnt see sage sealing anything in naruto btw, all bijuus were there already.

Juubi jins are always in senjutsu mode, plus naruto's seal appears in KCM/BM too. We don't know if naruto has a seal on his bare back like madara & obito, but we do know that naruto's mode makes his seals appear over his clothes.

How about the fact that he has to request bijuu chakra opposed to already accessing it in mode itself? Seems like seals appears due to sage mode.

I havent seen madara or obito levitating before being jins, plus he still has gudo-damas.

But we've seen nagato.

The juubi isn't pure chakra, it's chakra from the bijuu plus the gedo mazou, so this is irrelevant.

Its raw nature energy unlike bijus. But yeah irrelevant as obito never wanted any one's abilities.

Once again, you're implying that obito used a seal & then used kamui on the rest of the juubi wich makes less sense than obito using one jutsu to seal it. I'm believing the more likely outcome & this isn't it by any stretch of the imagination.

Since i believe 1st seal was interrupted, then he had no other choice.

Madara & obito have less power than hagoromo, thus they have an incomplete staff. Obito had the least amount of power of the jins so the slight variation in the seal can be an indication of his power, like the staff.

They never had sheer size of chakra from fruit via kaguya. Staff is formed manually anyhow. That's weak assumption on obito's seal imho, but with my complementation it makes more sense

So he started sealing, it got interrupted, & he used kamui on the rest? First of all that would mean that only part of the juubi is in the kamui dimension, & secondly the juubi didn't enter madara's body until after he finished the seal, [

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] so how do you know that minato interrupted it? Obito could have been finished even before minato slashed him.

Nothing goes into kamuiland. I think obito blocked the way there with his body and used suction power to force juubi in and keep it there.

Well if bijuu chakra was entering obito, did he or did he not finish the seal? Cuz it sorta started but then it stopped? Hence i assume it was successfully interrupted.

The scan I posted shows the juubi spiraling into madara's back, dust clouds are present, & so are the lines indicating movement. The only difference is that the lines in

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are slightly spiraling, but as I said before it's because the juubi had to twist itself around obito's body, rather than getting sucked straight into his back like it did with madara.

Wrong. Juubi enters in fron of obito. Its seen in next scans

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In 1st you can see that Obito starts falling face down, means that some chakra already got absorbed and it wasnt into the back.
In 2nd scan 3rd panel smoke trail that has distinct spiral shape and spiral lines projected out wards to where juubi was already gone a seal doesnt do that.
Its very different from madara's and lastly obito holds his hand next to eye (for no reason?)

If kamui was being used then kamui lines would be present around obito in the last two panels of that scan, but instead we see the juubi just merge with his body. & He's grabbing the left side of his face because that's where black zetsu was.

In there last scans you can nicely note that juubi isnt entering through the back either and there was no zetsu but remains of madara's will and why would it make him hold to the eye anyway? Usually uchiha hold their eyes after strain from use.

No because that's obito's ability, not madara's. The trade off could only apply to the juubi jin's eyes.

Sharingan is but tool, it shouldnt make difference U_U

Doesn't matter, going by your logic if a bijuu gets transferred via kamui then the kamui user will become it's jin. All obito did was use kamui on it since he wasn't able to slip through dimensions. If obito actually absorbed it instead of using kamui to keep it there then he should still be able to use his ability.

Doesnt matter how chakra gets transferred it then can be used, fodders with kyuubi chakra are proof of that, or kin/gin brothers or SM of hashirama. The only real problem with bijuus is that they are hard to control and can brake free.

No because kamui force was actually the one to act like a seal constantly thus couldnt be used. Even thou Obito assumed control over juubi but so did hagoromo yet it was still hostile and seal was a must.

 

[MightGai]

There is no proof whatsoever that Obito sealed the Juubi with Kamui.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto sensed the Bijuu enter Obito's body.

-Fans say Kamui sucked the Juubi into another dimension, not Obito's body.

Naruto says that he used a sealing jutsu.

-Fans say that Kamui sucked the Juubi into another dimension.

Lol, my sides.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Naruto sensed the Bijuu enter Obito's body.

-Fans say Kamui sucked the Juubi into another dimension, not Obito's body.

Naruto says that he used a sealing jutsu.

-Fans say that Kamui sucked the Juubi into another dimension.

Lol, my sides.

Naruto doesn't know where Kamui is, and I believe it's inside Obito.