Clearing up Misconceptions of Chapter 674

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For those who did not understand the content,

Summary

Madara used a pure yin technique that shot lighting and Naruto used his gudou stick as a lightning rod to counter it. Sasuke gained a speed technique that rivals or succeeds Madara's speed as well as the power to see Limbo, a shadow world where another Madara exists and fights. He observed, used trial and error and formed strategies to counter Madara with Naruto after Naruto was hit with Limbo and his gudou rod was broken by Madara's storm release.

Limbo Madara appears to be vulnerable to Naruto's physical attacks and Naruto can sense but not see him. Madara attempted to take Sasuke's eye after realizing they may have more than just a clan relation and wishing he had been born before Obito so he could have used him, but using his new technique, Sasuke was able to flicker away and stab him with his Kusanagi.

Naruto tried to use Shikaku's seal-based Magnet release to bind Madara while Sasuke used Chidori infused with Hagoromo's chakra. Madara used his limbo form as a substitution to escape the combo, dashed across the battlefield in an instant and stole a weakened Kakashi's sharingan before being cut in half by Sasuke's chidori spear and gaining access to the Kamui dimension to retrieve his other Rinnegan before Sakura could destroy it. The chapter ended with he shooting a gidou rod at she and Obito.

For those believing they have found mistakes in the illustration,

Sasuke's Missing Tomoes
-At the moment, stating Sasuke's tomoes disappearing is invalid. This is a new eye and we do not know its properties. He using its powers may be causing them to disappear, especially when gazing in the Limbo dimension.

FTG kunai without a formula
-The formula may not be visible because that portion of it may be in Naruto's mouth.

Eyes of the characters darkened
-That was a scanlation mistake. Check other sources and you will see the eyes are clearer. Furthermore, those panels are not closeups of the characters.

Sasuke's crescent moon turning white
-May be caused by he using sage's chakra as he stated and as was shown when his chidori turned black like it was when he used curse mark 2, as well as the light from the technique reflecting off his hand.

For those who believe there were plot holes,

Madara instantly taking and inserting Kakashi's eye without surgery.
-Itachi and Shisui were skilled at instantly removing eyes as well and Madara does not require long term healing because he possesses Hashirama's clone and the Juubi that both regenerate him.

Madara using Kamui as the jinchurki when Obito could not
-Obito sealed the Juubi into the Kamui dimension while Madara sealed it into his body. Obito using Kamui implied releasing the juubi or parts of Obito contending with it with no defense. Another belief is that Kamui is inside of Obito and no one else.

Sasuke cleaving Madara
-Sasuke's chidori and lighting element have been stated and shown by him to be able to cut through anything. The only thing that has stopped it as of yet is Killer's bee's own lighting streaming and Itachi's Yata Mirror. Furthermore, Sasuke has been boosted by Hagoromo's blessing and his lighting element may be Yin based now just like Madara's Yin lightning. The most plausible theory is that his new speed technique allowed him to cut him in half.

Kakashi not reacting to Madara
-Kakashi as was shown is panting, slumped over and worn out from fighting and using kamui for eighty some chapters. He also stated he was going blind. Furthermore, with Madara able to dodge and block FTG slash while flickering across the battlefield in an instant, Kakashi does not possess the speed to react to him.

Hopefully this clears things up, or at least objectifies them and I won't have to read another ten confusion and or rant threads about each one. Cheers.
 
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When did he seal the Juubi into the dimension. When the Juubi was going into him Naruto realized he was using a different thing the whole time to become a Jinchuuriki. And he could not move through Kamui because the Juubi was too large to move dimensions.
 

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The Madara kamui part makes no sense. How did Obito seal it in the Kamui dimension? Obito also sealed it in his body but just didnt have full control.
 

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So many manga facts you stated here that people deny
 

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Very good, you forgot to add sasuke slicing madara in recap thou :p
The Madara kamui part makes no sense. How did Obito seal it in the Kamui dimension? Obito also sealed it in his body but just didnt have full control.
Obito's sealing was interrupted by minato's blow, he later resorted to sealing juubi with his kamui, thus kamui acted like seal and couldnt be used.
If you compare them both sealing juubi you will see.
 

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This is pretty much what I gathered from it. But I have been seeing threads about Sasuke moving faster than 8th gate gai because he cut Madara in half. I figured it was a simple and well timed body flicker and not an act of super speed.

Aside the part about Obito sealing the Juubi in the Kamui Dimension (I have no idea what ou were talking about there lol) Everything else you summed up quite nicely. +rep dude. You earned it. :win:
 

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This is just damage control. All you're doing is making up POSSIBILE explanations for what happened in this chapter.


Obito sealed the Jubi in the Kamui dimension to become a jinchuriki? That makes absolutely no sense...
 

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This is just damage control. All you're doing is making up POSSIBILE explanations for what happened in this chapter.


Obito sealed the Jubi in the Kamui dimension to become a jinchuriki? That makes absolutely no sense...

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Madara sealing Juubi is very straight forward. He summoned it, all the chakra directly entered madara.

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Obito sealing Juubi. Spiral lines, in 3rd panel dust/smoke follows spiral path like katon in bakufu ranbu, Obito holding his hand next to the eye when he's done.
All these are clear indications of kamui.
It sorta explains why Jin Obito couldnt use kamui in a fight, it was acting as a seal for juubi.
 

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Madara using Kamui as the jinchurki when Obito could not
-Obito sealed the Juubi into the Kamui dimension while Madara sealed it into his body. Obito using Kamui implied releasing the juubi or parts of Obito contending with it with no defense.

I Don't agree with this.

Obito didn't use kamui on the juubi, he had the same seal on his back that madara & naruto do, & naruto noticed that obito was using a sealing jutsu. [ ]
 
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Altho these would be slowly explained in the manga,this thread explained it in a simple way,thanks.
 

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Madara sealing Juubi is very straight forward. He summoned it, all the chakra directly entered madara.

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Obito sealing Juubi. Spiral lines, in 3rd panel dust/smoke follows spiral path like katon in bakufu ranbu, Obito holding his hand next to the eye when he's done.
All these are clear indications of kamui.
It sorta explains why Jin Obito couldnt use kamui in a fight, it was acting as a seal for juubi.

Obito used a sealing jutsu for sealing the Jubi. Naruto even said it...just because it looked like kamui doesn't mean it was. Also of course the first person we witness becoming the Jubi jin would be more dramatic than the second time around, that's why Madara's sealing wasn't a big deal.
 

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Really nice effort !! +Rep for you .

Although nearly most of them was an answer to my thread , later today ! but o totally accept your answers for most of them , i was wrong !!

but I have objections on some cases :

1) formula on kunai : it's a bit lazy to think the formula portion was in naruto's mouth , it's more believable that it was a mistake !! we know the formula is a part of that kunai's design ! although if it's a mistake , it is NOT a big deal i would say !

2)Sasuke's Missing Tomoes : I accept that we don't know a lot about his new eye yet , but the problem is more than just disappearing by using it ! it's about becoming 6 tomoe from 9 tomoe between 2 chapters without anything done ! and then going of and on many times , specially in limbo vision ! that's a bit confusing !

3)Madara using Kamui : with all respect , I can not remember anywhere stated that Obito stored 10tails in kamui dimension !! I would be happy if you show me link for that !!

thanks again for this nice thread , realy great job mate !
 

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I Don't agree with this.

Obito didn't use kamui on the juubi, he had the same seal on his back that madara & naruto do, & naruto noticed that obito was using a sealing jutsu. [ ]

That seal has no stated meaning and was different in Obito.

Further more Obito's sealing process was interrupted by minato, as you can see there is no delay time when madara seals juubi and the process itself is visually different with one resembling kamui vortex.

Its far better explanation then "oh juubi makes obito too fat for kamui" or "he couldnt control it" when he clearly did U_U

Obito used a sealing jutsu for sealing the Jubi. Naruto even said it...just because it looked like kamui doesn't mean it was. Also of course the first person we witness becoming the Jubi jin would be more dramatic than the second time around, that's why Madara's sealing wasn't a big deal.
Sealing was interrupted by minato.
Nothing else but kamui looks like kamui, what kind of argument is this?
What do you find so dramatic in sealing juubi process? o_O

Unfortunately manga gives us no light on this, but its most plausible explanation imho.
 
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