Chapter 692 Sasuke's Revolution

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Re: Chapter 692 proves Sasuke has not grown

If anyone is juvenile and childish in their dreams it's Naruto. He believes the system can still work, while Sasuke the realist has identified that it's failed and is actually taking action. Naruto was going to do the same crap over again.
naruto plan succeded, where sasuke`s didn`t even started. if the problem is solved, why bother doing things ur way ? because he doesn`t give a shit, he just wants things his way, that`s all that cares for him, these are uchihas. after he found the fact that madara was used, obito was used, he was used, he still is a blind ****head. naruto should manipulate him like black zetsu.. he deserves this.. all his life, then when he`s old he should find out he was used and manipulated, to see how ****ing stupid and useless he is.
 
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Re: Chapter 692 proves Sasuke has not grown

He went from crazed psychopath wannabe murderer to a man who actually wants to help the world, but he hasn't grown? At least he has a plan unlike Naruto. It's your opinion, and I don't respect it.
oh, sasuke has a plan. but naruto already changed the world, u brainless monkey. go fap at ur sasuke`s pics/
 

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Re: Chapter 692 proves Sasuke has not grown

If anyone is juvenile and childish in their dreams it's Naruto. He believes the system can still work, while Sasuke the realist has identified that it's failed and is actually taking action. Naruto was going to do the same crap over again.
realist? Lol

That's funny

What makes u think changing a system will stop wars and fighting
If anything Sasuke is equally naive to think he can stop such things

A change is needed , but the end result will not change that drastically
at first people will be happy maybe ye, that's human nature.. change is .

But on the longer term.. It's just like an election. they promise a lot of stuff so everyone is all happy but in the end.. well I guess u know where I am getting at
My point is also Sasuke is just a human like everyone before him he is not better than Hashirama, Minato or all the rest. He makes mistake , he is not some divine figure unlike many of his fans seem to think
 
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Re: Chapter 692 proves Sasuke has not grown

in all seriousness however, each individuals has a different perspective, opinion and thought. no one is right and thus no one is wrong. But in sasuke's sense.... it tends to be wrong, reason being that he himself was evil and had a hand to commencing the war. So the question is, why doesnt sasuke punish himself? Why is he blaming others for something that is out of "Natural" control?
 

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Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.

It has come to a time when it should finally be accepted that the current system has no reason to be kept. It has brought nothing but pain, and nothing good is to come from it.

“Trust takes years to build, seconds to break, and forever to repair.” - Unknown

The system failed many times, innocent people had to suffer under corruption and extremist people who apparently had good intentions.

It deserves no trust. A system that failed from the very start, and continued to fail despite all the efforts of the genuinely well intended ninja, has no reason to be kept.

It allowed people with bad intentions or with good ones, but a twisted way of doing things to obtain power, make important decisions and be seen as heroes.

“If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders.” - George Carlin

Sasuke may not be a democratic person, but judging by the people from the village, he is what they need.

The majority of people are ignorant, blind to the truth, and care only about their well-being.

The leader they might get after Naruto’s end of career would probably greatly resemble them.

The leader has to be chosen wisely, else they will not get more than they deserve.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

The current system allowed horrible events to unfold, and it kept them in the dark.

It was said that it was done for the best of the village, but what best when the village itself has to die from these actions.

The village was created by people for people. A system that allows the village to kill its own people and lies to its own citizens is veil, as it hurts the ones whom it had to protect.

“Being considered ‘crazy’ by those who are still victims of cultural conditioning is a compliment.” - Jason Hairston

Sasuke may seem plain mad, but what is really clear about him is that he is different.

The Konoha people already have a mindset imposed by their leaders.

They already have in their minds how things should be, how a village has to be run, and how ninja shall interact.

Sasuke is not brainwashed by the village, he can clearly see how the things progress and can unbiased take decisions.

“You can give a person knowledge, but you can’t make them think. Some people want to remain fools, only because the truth requires change.” – Unknown

People do not want to keep the system as it is because they are proud of it.

They do not educate themselves enough, and they do not want to.

They do not have the power and courage to change, and they will be back at their past deeds and habits pretty soon if the old system is kept.

“If there is no struggle, there is no progress.” - Frederick Douglass

You may condemn Sasuke for making such a fuss by not simply talking with others, but the reality is that this thing is of no use.

If he makes what other want, there can be no progress.

These people have no problem to kill others for their well-being, leading the village as they want will probably create another war.

“You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.” - Malcolm X

Naruto may be a good person, but this does not mean that the system can be changed or that is a good idea to keep it.

We may trust Naruto because he is the child of prophecy, but so were his father and Nagato.

The system will get abused by others and it will continue to be vulnerable, as Naruto cannot last for eternity.

What the village needs is a system that guarantees that a rational person takes the lead.

This system made people comfortable with the idea that for their own good their compatriots should be killed.

Even if it looks reasonable, it is only a false impression created by the need of survival.

The will of fire has caused causalities, hypocrisy and dehumanization.

“It takes chains of steel to enslave a rational human, but all the rest may be enslaved by a belief.” - Unknown

Sasuke was safe from the village’s corrupt influence.

Others just want the system because they think that it is the right thing to be.

This is merely a belief. Maybe Hashirama and Naruto are trustworthy, but what the system had brought upon others is unacceptable.

The villagers were indoctrinated by the will of fire and they know only this. They cannot escape from the system’s darkness as they are blind to change.​
 
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Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.

So can't we say the system has progressed since there was a struggle already. Either way peace by might works well :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.

It has come to a time when it should finally be accepted that the current system has no reason to be kept. It has brought nothing but pain, and nothing good is to come from it.

“Trust takes years to build, seconds to break, and forever to repair.” - Unknown

The system failed many times, innocent people had to suffer under corruption and extremist people who apparently had good intentions.

It deserves no trust. A system that failed from the very start, and continued to fail despite all the efforts of the genuinely well intended ninja, has no reason to be kept.

It allowed people with bad intentions or with good ones, but a twisted way of doing things to obtain power, make important decisions and be seen as heroes.

“If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders.” - George Carlin

Sasuke may not be a democratic person, but judging by the people from the village, he is what they need.

The majority of people are ignorant, blind to the truth, and care only about their well-being.

The leader they might get after Naruto’s end of career would probably greatly resemble them.

The leader has to be chosen wisely, else they will not get more than they deserve.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

The current system allowed horrible events to unfold, and it kept them in the dark.

It was said that it was done for the best of the village, but what best when the village itself has to die from these actions.

The village was created by people for people. A system that allows the village to kill its own people and lies to its own citizens is veil, as it hurts the ones whom it had to protect.

“Being considered ‘crazy’ by those who are still victims of cultural conditioning is a compliment.” - Jason Hairston

Sasuke may seem plain mad, but what is really clear about him is that he is different.

The Konoha people already have a mindset imposed by their leaders.

They already have in their minds how things should be, how a village has to be run, and how ninja shall interact.

Sasuke is not brainwashed by the village, he can clearly see how the things progress and can unbiased take decisions.

“You can give a person knowledge, but you can’t make them think. Some people want to remain fools, only because the truth requires change.” – Unknown

People do not want to keep the system as it is because they are proud of it.

They do not educate themselves enough, and they do not want to.

They do not have the power and courage to change, and they will be back at their past deeds and habits pretty soon if the old system is kept.

“If there is no struggle, there is no progress.” - Frederick Douglass

You may condemn Sasuke for making such a fuss by not simply talking with others, but the reality is that this thing is of no use.

If he makes what other want, there can be no progress.

These people have no problem to kill others for their well-being, leading the village as they want will probably create another war.

“You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.” - Malcolm X

Naruto may be a good person, but this does not mean that the system can be changed or that is a good idea to keep it.

We may trust Naruto because he is the child of prophecy, but so were his father and Nagato.

The system will get abused by others and it will continue to be vulnerable, as Naruto cannot last for eternity.

What the village needs is a system that guarantees that a rational person takes the lead.

This system made people comfortable with the idea that for their own good their compatriots should be killed.

Even if it looks reasonable, it is only a false impression created by the need of survival.

The will of fire has caused causalities, hypocrisy and dehumanization.

“It takes chains of steel to enslave a rational human, but all the rest may be enslaved by a belief.” - Unknown

Sasuke was safe from the village’s corrupt influence.

Others just want the system because they think that it is the right thing to be.

This is merely a belief. Maybe Hashirama and Naruto are trustworthy, but what the system had brought upon others is unacceptable.

The villagers were indoctrinated by the will of fire and they know only this. They cannot escape from the system’s darkness as they are blind to change.​
Itachi is that you?
 
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Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.

Revolution isn't always the only solution in every situation. The shinobi system was entirely reformed during this war. Kishi took the co-operation and their single aim to a whole different level where they performed quite extra-ordinarily.. They showed care and affection towards each other just like they were from same family.. having said that , Sasuke's idea of revolution in current situation seems rather unnecessary and imposed.
 

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Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.

No. The Kage and others realize the system needs to be changed.

Sasuke's best course of action would have been to wait and see how the shinobi world would change after the war. While doing this, he could work on gaining some credibility as a trustworthy person, having already taken part in saving the world. Then he'd actually have a chance at becoming a leader figure and making any necessary changes as he sees fit. Instead he chose to rush into his plan with a guaranteed end result of failure like a fool.
 

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Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.

No. The Kage and others realize the system needs to be changed.

Sasuke's best course of action would have been to wait and see how the shinobi world would change after the war. While doing this, he could work on gaining some credibility as a trustworthy person, having already taken part in saving the world. Then he'd actually have a chance at becoming a leader figure and making any necessary changes as he sees fit. Instead he chose to rush into his plan with a guaranteed end result of failure like a fool.
Obito and Madara too tried to entirely change the shinobi system.. Sasuke is trying that too.. See the point is you can't turn the whole world upside down just bcoz u think that. You have to go along with the flow. And then u can apply changes in smaller ways to make a big change, and that happens over time. Not in an instant, just like Sasuke is doing
 

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Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.

Obito and Madara too tried to entirely change the shinobi system.. Sasuke is trying that too.. See the point is you can't turn the whole world upside down just bcoz u think that. You have to go along with the flow. And then u can apply changes in smaller ways to make a big change, and that happens over time. Not in an instant, just like Sasuke is doing
Right. He didn't learn from their mistakes.
 

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Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.

Yeah exactly. In Itachi's words, "those who try to do everything on their own will invariably fail". How could Sasuke not learn that from him.
It's a way how kishi uses itachi to diss sasuke
 

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Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.

Okay... Or, before we cast judgment either way, let's see this revolution advance past the "declaration" phase :|
 
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