Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.
Funny how despite the all the revolution and stuff ... Sasuke has no bright idea other than killing the Kage and becoming one himself .... where is the great 'change' in the system in that?
Not to mention Sasuke has abosolutely zero experience in administration and implementing change, where as Tsunade revolutionized Medicine and Troop deployment system to reduce fatality , Gaara brought together 5 Villages together with his leadership and actually known how to win over hearts and public opinion, and Mei changed the Bloody Mist to a more peaceful state ..... While Ay is technically expendable, Oonoki proved his will to better future for all mutiple times durring the War and his experience would be of great help. While Sasuke very recently didnt give crap about the whole Alliance possibly dieing, bad mouthed comrades etc. Very poor revolutionary leader imo.
He is still a juvenile with naive and childish dreams. Everything Itachi tried to teach him went right in one ear and out the other.
Trying to defeat Naruto and kill the Kage is all the proof we need that Sasuke has learned nothing and not grown a bit in neither stature or wisedom in the last 600 chapters.
Kishi has pretty much ruined this character, i dont know why but he has.
My opinion, you dont have to like it.
naive? childish? he wants to correct this system that has caused so many pains and bloodshed over the years, thats not naive let alone childish. now ive seen many people try to compare itachi and sasuke saying how sasuke is not listening to itachi nor caring about him and going against him or stuffs like that. first thing you all need to know is that sasuke is not itachi, they are two different characters with two different mindsets and ideology. they are brothers does not mean sasuke is obligated to follow his ideals to the letter, no, sasuke has his own ideals and is willing to achieve it. this panel greatly distinguishes the two
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"while the village does have its inconsistencies am still the villages uchiha itachi"
he acknowledges the villages fault but as long as he is a shinobi of it he reamins loyal. he is loyal soldier who doesnt mind working under a broken system as far as his territory is safe. sasuke on the other doesnt have any limitation as that, he doesnt want to just accept thingd as it is(if left more horrors would keep repeating), his character goes beyond that. he wants to change it, to remove it and rebuild what he feels would be suitable to prevent situations like he and his brother passed through. take for example the uchiha massacre, why did it happen?? because the uchihas planned a coup, why did they plan that? because they felt cheated as co founders they felt they had more political rights and they were secluded which all boils down to the government in place, they system which sasuke wants to abolish in order words sasuke has identified the true source of everything and wants to correct it. sasukes character is that once he has his sight on something, he is prepared to do whateva he feels its necessary to achieve it. it differenciates him from itachi and i wish people would stop judging him using itachi as they are not the same nor is sasuke obligated to do what he says or thinks.
now for whether sasuke has grown, you say hes still the same as before but you couldnt be more wrong.
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he explicitly says that he doesnt desire revenge or pure destruction like he once did before but now wants to unify and reform the shinobi world that has experienced so much darkness from years passed. that shows he is not doing what hes doing based purely on revenge no, he has a plan, a way to make things better than what it is currently. thats extreme growth brought about by different conditions he experienced along his way
at first he didnt know why itachi mudered his clan hence he wanted revenge, then he found the truth about how konoha higher ops were responsible so he directed his revenge at them. but then hes meeting with itachi confused him as he was unaware why itachi is ever willing to protect the village despite whats it done so he spoke to the past leaders and now identifies the system as the true fault for everything, as long it remains in place shinobis would keep falling into dark paths as he did and wars would still break out so he wants to remove it and in its place build a more stable one. hows that not growth? he is not doing this to be an evil guy or anything, he actually has a plan.did you expect him to just follow naruto and his ways and be all lovy dovy fairy tail? because that would go a bit against his character and what hes been hinting ever since he joined this war.
he mentions a bit of what he plans to do
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, at near death he refrences it
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, also he wanted the bijjus to burn etc. if you have been noticing you would know sasuke has some new hidden goal to achieve. he helped aginst obito, madara and kaguya because what they planned to do clashed with his so now that they are gone he now wants to begin his "revolution" as he says it. sasuke has learned a lot, hes spoken with the hokages and itachi and has made a decision that the current system needs to go, he knows what he and his brother passed through so hes willing to make sure it doesnt happen again.this is just sasuke revealing his own ideals with of course differs from narutos hence a clash. hes grown a lot.
however i dont agree with his methods though as i feel it might cause more conflicts but thats what this current clash is meant to solve.
Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.
Naruto was able to made the different shinobis trust each other, he was starting to create the ideal base for a new friendly future until sasuke turned evil.
Even in the new system of sasuke, there would be also the ones who are avengers, sasuke killing the 5 cage and naruto will born a new hater generations and new wars, sasuke controlling the people isn't revolution.
Did I touch a nerve?
Naruto changed the world, sure. And going by Naruto's strategy right now, nothing will change. Sure for a few years people will want to follow Naruto's example and be nice to one another. But, inevitably, something will happen and everyone will be fighting again. Naruto has no plan and has really changed nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.
Nobody is saying that the system doesn't need to be changed. We are just saying that Sasuke is blaming and trying to eliminate all of the wrong people and he wouldn't be a good leader. Quite frankly, infinite tsukuyomi would solve all of the world's problems difinitively if it wasn't for that stupid white zetsu thing. Infinite tsukuyomi is the best solution for peace. Sasuke's way is just stupid.
Nobody is saying that the system doesn't need to be changed. We are just saying that Sasuke is blaming and trying to eliminate all of the wrong people and he wouldn't be a good leader. Quite frankly, infinite tsukuyomi would solve all of the world's problems difinitively if it wasn't for that stupid white zetsu thing. Infinite tsukuyomi is the best solution for peace. Sasuke's way is just stupid.
Well even without the zetsufying factor IT has its drawbacks. The Humans were pulled to the Tree but the animals wasnt and after a while possibly the whole Animal kingdom would starve to death and that would bring a host of problems soon. Not to mention since there is no guarantee that people inside IT wont starve, age or catch disease ... that combined with impossibility of reproduction means extinction of Humanity at most cases and a the best case scenario it total stagnation with no 'future'.
Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.
This manga already foretold there will be a revolution. Whether Sasuke wins or losses even if it is not by Sasuke's hands, Sasuke's desire for revolution will come to pass.
IMO, Sasuke's ambition+Naruto's concern for others it the way peace will be achieved
This manga already foretold there will be a revolution. Whether Sasuke wins or losses even if it is not by Sasuke's hands, Sasuke's desire for revolution will come to pass.
IMO, Sasuke's ambition+Naruto's concern for others it the way peace will be achieved
Danzo wanted to kill the Uchiha to stop war and did it. Hiruzen and others wanted to try a different approach. Sasuke it is doing th same thing. Sasuke = New Danzo. HL3 confirmed. Naruto Juubi Jin confirmed. Sasuke dies confirmed. Kaskashi gets sharigans confirmed.
But, it won't be that easy. According to Gamamaru Naruto's revolution will be something that has the potential to destroy the world. Naruto gaining support from the Kages is probably the best thing, but the Kages don't move one their own accord, the are in subjection to their Daimyo
But, it won't be that easy. According to Gamamaru Naruto's revolution will be something that has the potential to destroy the world. Naruto gaining support from the Kages is probably the best thing, but the Kages don't move one their own accord, the are in subjection to their Daimyo
Ofc it wont be easy .... if it was easy Sage could have done it. But I would actually put my faith on people like Mei, Tsunade, Gaara and Naruto than Sasuke, Orochimaru, Seigetsu, Juugo and Karin.
BTW whats the anime in ur sig? I need it for research purposes.
If anyone is juvenile and childish in their dreams it's Naruto. He believes the system can still work, while Sasuke the realist has identified that it's failed and is actually taking action. Naruto was going to do the same crap over again.
I'm not gonna lie. I was pretty sure Sasuke was going to work with Nads after the war bc after witnessing what happened to Mads and meeting the damn sage and saving the world with Naruto, what reasonable person would turn around and create conflict? Lord Sasuke. LOL.
I can't believe it, but now that it's here I'm riding with Lord Sauce. He saves this god forsaken manga and the world again.
Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.
No one is saying change is not needed. So what would Sasuke tell the SA after he has killed their beloved Kages and Naruto?, for his so called revolution.
With such wicked intensions, he would end up killing everone and rule over stones (that is not happening either since Naruto is going to stop him right in his tracks).
It seems Sasuke needs to learn of pain, something he has lacked from the beginning since he thinks he is the only one who has suffered.
Well even without the zetsufying factor IT has its drawbacks. The Humans were pulled to the Tree but the animals wasnt and after a while possibly the whole Animal kingdom would starve to death and that would bring a host of problems soon. Not to mention since there is no guarantee that people inside IT wont starve, age or catch disease ... that combined with impossibility of reproduction means extinction of Humanity at most cases and a the best case scenario it total stagnation with no 'future'.
You missed some details in the manga. The genjutsu does get the animal kingdom. There was a panel showing cats getting caught in it. Sasuke's hawk was simply unexplained and even the wiki notes it as a plot hole. Furthermore, the tree was said to keep you alive, so starvation or disease would not be an issue. As for reproduction, it would not be necessary because people wouldn't die. If you still want a baby, you can make one in the dream.
Re: Sasuke’s revolution is of crucial importance, and the only solution to peace.
Who said Sasuke will do it all alone? People need to open they're eyes and realise the world they live in is hell and contribute with Sasuke's revolution U_U
