Chapter 571 Eliminates Another Tobi Possibility.

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Well, I agree with you.
Plus, from what Madara has stated, Tobi was most probably his accomplice or creation.
We still might not have an exact explanation for who Tobi is, but at least now, we have some boundaries we can fit him in.
And being the son of the Sage is in no way inside those boundaries.

But I'll have to correct you on one point.

THIS IS... THE SAGE OF THE SIX PATHS'...

First of all; check out the apostrophe at the end of the sentence. It means that the fox is referring to something that belonged to the sage.
Under that circumstances, it's certain that it was referring to the fuinjutsu Naruto was using, not Naruto himself.

Second of all, Tobi stated that the Sage had passed down the fuuinjutsu he used to seal the Juubi in himself.

I've covered that
 
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Great thread! I agree with you =DD
I was too busy wiping the drool off my chin to even think about Tobi's identity during this chapter xD

So we've got...

Tobi's ID:
Danzo
Madara
Elder Son
Ramen Guy


Hmm, it all goes down to this...
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didn't read it all, just the OP since I'm gonna start dinner soon, just wanted to say that since tobi does not even want to be anyone there are just 2 options.
either he once was someone with a name and chose to abandon that life due to a serious change (probably involving madara) or he never was anyone and was just created with something like izanagi (still madara's involvment is required since he had the rinnegan)
I'm going with being created, and through a technique of binding madara's and hashirama's dna into one being, ginving him the abbility to use the sharingan to its full, and durability in life. I'm guessing wood element didn't get fully transmitted although he does have earth but never displayed more then that, and his quick recreation of limbs looks alot like zetsu's. since it's been hinted that zetsu is close to hashirama's dna and those white clones were created from that hashirama-tree. I'm going to assume that zetsu was madara's first experiment (creation of the 2 part zetsu, from one shinobi loyal to his cause, capable of using wood and have extended life) and tobi was his second experiment bread completly from dna, no orriginal and izanagi to give it life.
this would explain also why tobi is so loyal to madara and why zetsu is so loyal to tobi
 
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I've read your points and I'll just say that it's not enough to completely rule out this possibility, it's not even close to that.
Even after Madara was ressurected by Edo Tensei and Tobi admited he's not Madara, alot of people still believe he is and you were/are one of them, yet you claim this "evidence" completely eliminates the possibility of Elder son of being Tobi.



If he did that it would immedietly spoil his identity. It's not the first time Kishimoto does this to save the identity of Tobi. There's a page where Tobi tells Kabuto he fought Hashirama and took an tissue with his cells after the battle. At that page Tobi admited to be Madara after seeing the real Madara ressurected in front of his eyes. Do we rule out everyone because of this "evidence" and claim him to be Madara?



We do not know how SO6P looked so this statement is invalid and even if he did looked like SO6P, Tobi was expecting him to achieve this power. Not once did he flinch at the sight of his new powers. How would you explain that?



Are we talking about the same man here? When did Tobi respected anyone? The only man he respected was Hashirama and we don't even know if that was part of his Madara act. In any case, Tobi would never respect or acknowledge these beasts that stand in the way of his plan, he threats them as weapons and all he cares about is ressurecting Juubi. I don't see why he should call them by their names and spoil his identity.



It's not a very strong point and in no way does it eliminate this possibility. You kind of sound like trolling, I am not sure if you are serious with this thread.

Answer me this. Kyuubi recognized Tobi. Who else could have made Kyuubi to flip out and say "You..."? Kyuubi was sealed in Jinchuuriki for about 80 years and no one had access to him. This narrows the possibility of Tobi's identity to just few people and elder son of the Sage is one of them.
I see why NvG hates you lol. But how am I trolling? This thread is serious. Tobi would have definitely recognized Naruto's resemblance to the Sage. If he truly knew the So6p, he would have made an instant connection to it, especially with the new transformation. It's one thing to read my thread and challenge my ideas but to actually say I'm trolling?

It was a serious thread with ideas from a logical standpoint. I can make other cases as to why Tobi is not the elder son and can't be the elder son. I stated some of the main reasons and I'll give you another one that I've said in many other threads. If he was the elder son he would never pretend to be Madara. Someone who has a weaker from of his dojutsu. His eyes came directly from the Sage himself, not generation after generation. Why would he need to pretend to be a descendant of himself, when he can strike more fear by saying he is the Sage of 6 Paths elder son... Think about it.

Also I never said Tobi never mocked someone. But I'm used that as an example of how he didn't show any recognition to Naruto's resemblance to the Sage. Meaning he has no idea what the Sage of 6 paths looks like which ultimately rules out the possibility of Tobi being his son.

Notice how everytime Naruto gains speed Kakashi sees the resemblance between him and his father? This is where I'm getting at. I'm not saying Tobi should have been like "OMG it's dad" but any slight recognition would have meant that he knew the Sage and knows what he looks like. Not to mention the tailed beast point I brought up was a good example. Why wouldn't the elder son know the names too? He was there when they were split into 9 different beasts, yet he still calls them by their moniker, what every one from the 1st hokage to the current generation calls them (according to their tails). 1 tail, 2 tails, 3 tails, so on and so forth.


Well, I agree with you.
Plus, from what Madara has stated, Tobi was most probably his accomplice or creation.
We still might not have an exact explanation for who Tobi is, but at least now, we have some boundaries we can fit him in.
And being the son of the Sage is in no way inside those boundaries.

But I'll have to correct you on one point.

THIS IS... THE SAGE OF THE SIX PATHS'...

First of all; check out the apostrophe at the end of the sentence. It means that the fox is referring to something that belonged to the sage.
Under that circumstances, it's certain that it was referring to the fuinjutsu Naruto was using, not Naruto himself.

Second of all, Tobi stated that the Sage had passed down the fuuinjutsu he used to seal the Juubi in himself.

I've covered that
I agree with you, and thank you for pointing that out I did not notice the ' when re reading it. It changes some things but still kind of supports my overall point.
Great thread! I agree with you =DD
I was too busy wiping the drool off my chin to even think about Tobi's identity during this chapter xD

So we've got...

Tobi's ID:
Danzo
Madara
Elder Son
Ramen Guy


Hmm, it all goes down to this...
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I see why NvG hates you lol.
What's that supposed to mean?

But how am I trolling? This thread is serious. Tobi would have definitely recognized Naruto's resemblance to the Sage. If he truly knew the So6p, he would have made an instant connection to it, especially with the new transformation. It's one thing to read my thread and challenge my ideas but to actually say I'm trolling?
Why did I say you are trolling? Because I don't feel like you're being serious with this thread. You made few weak points and you claim to have "completely ruled out" or "eliminated" the possibility of Tobi being Elder son. To me that's intentionaly provoking or simply trolling.

I can make other cases as to why Tobi is not the elder son and can't be the elder son.
Doubt that.

I stated some of the main reasons and I'll give you another one that I've said in many other threads. If he was the elder son he would never pretend to be Madara. Someone who has a weaker from of his dojutsu. His eyes came directly from the Sage himself, not generation after generation. Why would he need to pretend to be a descendant of himself, when he can strike more fear by saying he is the Sage of 6 Paths elder son... Think about it.
Strike fear..? Let me ask you this - how many people knew Sage had two sons or how many people knew ANYTHING about them? Aside from few villains - no one. Why would he claim to be someone who nobody knew of? What would he gain from that?

Let's weight it out. What would be more beneficial to Tobi. Pretend to be someone unknown to the whole world or preted to be someone that most of the shinobi, even the most powerful ones, feared of?

You know there's a whole manga page devoted to your question?


It's not even just that. He has more chance of making people believe he's hundred years old Madara rather than 1000 years old mythical person from the times of legendary Sage. You think everyone is just going to buy whatever he has to say? How many people believed he was Madara? Except for Itachi no one believed he's Madara at first. How the hell would he prove or convince anyone he is Sage's son? Why not go for Sage himself? Why didn't he claimed he's the legendary God and creater of Shinobi world? That should strike fear in anyone, right?

Also I never said Tobi never mocked someone. But I'm used that as an example of how he didn't show any recognition to Naruto's resemblance to the Sage. Meaning he has no idea what the Sage of 6 paths looks like which ultimately rules out the possibility of Tobi being his son.
Do we have any idea of how Sage looks like? Why are you claiming that Naruto looks like Sage? All we saw were couple of shadowed pictures with sage in his base mode, without any chakra floating or shit like that while Naruto only slightly looks like him when using KCM. That shit means nothing.

Notice how everytime Naruto gains speed Kakashi sees the resemblance between him and his father? This is where I'm getting at. I'm not saying Tobi should have been like "OMG it's dad" but any slight recognition would have meant that he knew the Sage and knows what he looks like.
Why are you comparing Kakashi to Tobi? These are two completely different characters.
What reaction did you expect from Tobi? He already said Naruto looked like Hashirama, the only man he ever respected. What more do you expect from a guy who doesn't even give a shit when his enemy suddenly powers up to god-tier?

Not to mention the tailed beast point I brought up was a good example. Why wouldn't the elder son know the names too? He was there when they were split into 9 different beasts, yet he still calls them by their moniker, what every one from the 1st hokage to the current generation calls them (according to their tails). 1 tail, 2 tails, 3 tails, so on and so forth.
Nowhere it was said he doesn't know their names. He just doesn't acknowledge them as real beings. He thinks of them as weapons, he uses them as weapons and he's ultimetly planning to destroy all 9 of them. Why would he call them by their names if to him they are nothing but tailed weapons?

And why would Kishimoto spoil Tobi's identity this way? Why did he fought Hashirama, implying he was Madara even after Kabuto showed him the coffer with real Madara in it? You didn't answer this question but we both know why Kishi did it and the same could apply to "beast names" situation. Though I am sure he wouldn't call them by their names even if he knows them, given his personality and agenda.

Now to nail this shit :

1)Why didn't any tailed beast - Kyuubi (he only recognized Sage's sealing technique), Hachibi or Son Goku recognize Naruto as Sage?

2)Kyuubi recognized Tobi's presence/chakra. He was sealed in Jinchuurikki for about 80 years. That person has to be atleast from the time when villages were established. This narrows the possibilities to just few characters and Elder son is one of them. How many people can actually control Kyuubi and know so much about everything in the world?

3)Tobi never flinched at any of Naruto's power ups. Not once was he impressed. He even mocked Naruto for being too weak. What villain has this kind of reaction? Even Madara acknowledged Naruto but Tobi just doesn't give a shit. You think that some random guy would be so apathetic?
Only someone powerful and confident enough would have this kind of reaction. Someone who perhaps has seen more and better to not be impressed or moved in any way by Naruto.

Well said man! But he wont understand any of this man. Theres too much logic and valid reasoning. What you gotta do is post gay porn and sprinkle some crack n he will understand.

Nah but he will come bak n try to argue, fail n later on say he pwned u.
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Go away already. Your offtopic posts are annoying and unnecessarily.


tl;dr - Why didn't any of the tailed beasts recognize Naruto's resemblance to Sage? Obviosly they knew him. He created them and gave them their names. So why don't they recognize this resemblance? I mean, by your unflawed and unarguable logic they should have done this because obviosly Naruto resembles someone we haven't seen yet, right?

You can close this thread now. There's nothing to argue about anymore
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What's that supposed to mean?



Why did I say you are trolling? Because I don't feel like you're being serious with this thread. You made few weak points and you claim to have "completely ruled out" or "eliminated" the possibility of Tobi being Elder son. To me that's intentionaly provoking or simply trolling.



Doubt that.



Strike fear..? Let me ask you this - how many people knew Sage had two sons or how many people knew ANYTHING about them? Aside from few villains - no one. Why would he claim to be someone who nobody knew of? What would he gain from that?

Let's weight it out. What would be more beneficial to Tobi. Pretend to be someone unknown to the whole world or preted to be someone that most of the shinobi, even the most powerful ones, feared of?

You know there's a whole manga page devoted to your question?


It's not even just that. He has more chance of making people believe he's hundred years old Madara rather than 1000 years old mythical person from the times of legendary Sage. You think everyone is just going to buy whatever he has to say? How many people believed he was Madara? Except for Itachi no one believed he's Madara at first. How the hell would he prove or convince anyone he is Sage's son? Why not go for Sage himself? Why didn't he claimed he's the legendary God and creater of Shinobi world? That should strike fear in anyone, right?



Do we have any idea of how Sage looks like? Why are you claiming that Naruto looks like Sage? All we saw were couple of shadowed pictures with sage in his base mode, without any chakra floating or shit like that while Naruto only slightly looks like him when using KCM. That shit means nothing.



Why are you comparing Kakashi to Tobi? These are two completely different characters.
What reaction did you expect from Tobi? He already said Naruto looked like Hashirama, the only man he ever respected. What more do you expect from a guy who doesn't even give a shit when his enemy suddenly powers up to god-tier?



Nowhere it was said he doesn't know their names. He just doesn't acknowledge them as real beings. He thinks of them as weapons, he uses them as weapons and he's ultimetly planning to destroy all 9 of them. Why would he call them by their names if to him they are nothing but tailed weapons?

And why would Kishimoto spoil Tobi's identity this way? Why did he fought Hashirama, implying he was Madara even after Kabuto showed him the coffer with real Madara in it? You didn't answer this question but we both know why Kishi did it and the same could apply to "beast names" situation. Though I am sure he wouldn't call them by their names even if he knows them, given his personality and agenda.

Now to nail this shit :

1)Why didn't any tailed beast - Kyuubi (he only recognized Sage's sealing technique), Hachibi or Son Goku recognize Naruto as Sage?

2)Kyuubi recognized Tobi's presence/chakra. He was sealed in Jinchuurikki for about 80 years. That person has to be atleast from the time when villages were established. This narrows the possibilities to just few characters and Elder son is one of them. How many people can actually control Kyuubi and know so much about everything in the world?

3)Tobi never flinched at any of Naruto's power ups. Not once was he impressed. He even mocked Naruto for being too weak. What villain has this kind of reaction? Even Madara acknowledged Naruto but Tobi just doesn't give a shit. You think that some random guy would be so apathetic?
Only someone powerful and confident enough would have this kind of reaction. Someone who perhaps has seen more and better to not be impressed or moved in any way by Naruto.



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Go away already. Your offtopic posts are annoying and unnecessarily.


tl;dr - Why didn't any of the tailed beasts recognize Naruto's resemblance to Sage? Obviosly they knew him. He created them and gave them their names. So why don't they recognize this resemblance? I mean, by your unflawed and unarguable logic they should have done this because obviosly Naruto resembles someone we haven't seen yet, right?

You can close this thread now. There's nothing to argue about anymore
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Do you read my posts before you respond to them?

EMR I'm not going to repeat myself. Although you seem to be the only one who says my points and opinion is invalid. Even those who disagreed with me saying it doesn't eliminate the possibility say I have valid points. Yet you're the only one who says I'm trolling? and my arguments are stupid?

You're the only one who thinks that it is the Sage's older son when I have proven time and time again that it's not logical...

I understood if you disagreed with my whole thread but to sit here and say I must be trolling because my arguments are stupid. GTFO I never made a comment on the amount of stupid threads, or posts you made...
 

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didn't read it all, just the OP since I'm gonna start dinner soon, just wanted to say that since tobi does not even want to be anyone there are just 2 options.
either he once was someone with a name and chose to abandon that life due to a serious change (probably involving madara) or he never was anyone and was just created with something like izanagi (still madara's involvment is required since he had the rinnegan)
I'm going with being created, and through a technique of binding madara's and hashirama's dna into one being, ginving him the abbility to use the sharingan to its full, and durability in life. I'm guessing wood element didn't get fully transmitted although he does have earth but never displayed more then that, and his quick recreation of limbs looks alot like zetsu's. since it's been hinted that zetsu is close to hashirama's dna and those white clones were created from that hashirama-tree. I'm going to assume that zetsu was madara's first experiment (creation of the 2 part zetsu, from one shinobi loyal to his cause, capable of using wood and have extended life) and tobi was his second experiment bread completly from dna, no orriginal and izanagi to give it life.
this would explain also why tobi is so loyal to madara and why zetsu is so loyal to tobi
That is a really good thought. You deserve a rep for this.
 

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Do you read my posts before you respond to them?
I could ask you the same because I adressed your whole post, all of the points you made while you gave me this crap...
This was like a spit in the face, and you wonder why I said you are trolling.

EMR I'm not going to repeat myself. Although you seem to be the only one who says my points and opinion is invalid. Even those who disagreed with me saying it doesn't eliminate the possibility say I have valid points. Yet you're the only one who says I'm trolling? and my arguments are stupid?
Because they are invalid and I refuted them. Can you prove that I am wrong?

Yet you're the only one who says I'm trolling? and my arguments are stupid?
Yes, I consider this trolling. You didn't say that your points lessens the possibility of elder son being Tobi you claim that this thread completely rules out and eliminates the possibility of him being Tobi, which to me is clearly trolling.

I understood if you disagreed with my whole thread but to sit here and say I must be trolling because my arguments are stupid. GTFO I never made a comment on the amount of stupid threads, or posts you made...
So you disregard everything I had to say and just concentrate on one completely unimportant thing I said? Wow, great way to avoid all my arguments. That's NvG's school right there
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You're the only one who thinks that it is the Sage's older son when I have proven time and time again that it's not logical...
Oh yes and Tobi being Madara after the real one was ressurected is very logical, right? And stop being delusional, you never proved anything in this case and I doubt you will as there's no evidence to support your wild claim.
 
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I could ask you the same because I answered your whole post, to all of the points you made while you give me this crap...
This was like a spit in the face, and you wonder why I said you are trolling.



Because they are invalid and I refuted them. Can you prove that I am wrong?



Yes, I consider this trolling. You didn't say that your points lessens the possibility of elder son being Tobi you claim that this thread completely rules out and eliminates the possibility of him being Tobi, which to me is clearly trolling.



So you disregard everything I had to say and just concentrate on one completely unimportant thing I said? Wow, great way to avoid all my arguments
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What about my whole post? Are you just going to ignore all the points I made and all my responses to your arguments? What the **** man. That's NvG's school right there.



Oh yes and Tobi being Madara after the real one was ressurected is very logical, right? And stop being delusional, you never proved anything in this case and I doubt you will as there's no evidence to support your wild statement.
Lol Yeah now I see why nobdy reps you on this site. I read all your posts but the crap that you type isn't enough to refute my claims or evidence EMR. But I will go through a Shame the EMR post right now.

1) You're the only one who thinks my points are weak. Only because you have a closed, and subjective mind. You believe one thing and stick to it you don't think outside of the box. I provide evidence and you still deny the possibility that I am most likely right. But you are so fixated on the fact that Tobi is the elder son when he clearly has shown otherwise.

2) How many people knew about the Sages sons it's inscribed on the Uchiha stone. How many people do you expect to know about it. That is like saying How many people know wood element, or How many people can see the chakra circulatory system when you know that's a specific answer.

3) This is a dumb point. Everybody knows the Sage is dead why would he claim to be the sage? People don't pretend to be those weaker than themselves. They pretend to be stronger people to strike fear. Tobi is pretending to be someone stronger to start a war. The reason why he went with the Madara foolishness which only proved to be fake. Now he goes by nobody. You think if Tobi pretended to be someone weaker that there would be a war going on? That just shows logical reasoning as to why Tobi is not the elder son. Nobody pretends to be a descendant of themselves. Nobody pretends to be a weaker person than they are. They always pretend to be someone stronger to strike fear.

4) I never said Naruto looked like the Sage. I said he resembled the Sage. Outline Naruto in the recent chapter and outline the So6p you don't see a resemblance? if you don't maybe you should give up on reading the Manga.

5) I made the comparison from Kakashi to Tobi but you didn't understand the point. When reading it is wise to comprehend what someone is saying to you.

6) Why wouldn't his sons acknowledge them either? It's obvious Tobi doesn't know their names. If he was the elder son he should, seeing as the So6P wanted them to be respected.

7) I'm pretty sure you know Tobi has been trolling this entire time. Tobi claims he's madara. Claims he fought Hashirama but we know for a fact that he's not Madara why bring this page up?

8) Nothing you said proved me to be wrong in any way. In fact like I said before you're the only one without the comprehension to understand this thread. It's like the mind of a 2 year old who thinks one way and doesn't think anyone else is right. Just because you believe 100% it's the Sages son doesn't mean that you are right. It also doesn't mean my argument it shit.

9) I don't really pay attention to what you type or say because in your posts you call people out. You have shown signs of racism and immaturity when losing an argument to NvG. You call me a troll and say my thread is stupid. You say you disproven all my claims yet everything you say is not proven either. Yet you still believe you are ultimately right.

10) EMR I broke this down into numbers so you can read and comprehend better. Out of all the people who left a comment repped me. You're the only one to say my arguments are trash. You're the only one to say I'm trolling. Even the ones who disagreed with me said I had a pretty good argument. Yet you're close minded self is the only one trying to troll my thread.

11) I will never listen to or take you seriously for these reasons.

You say Sasuke is going to get powers similar to the Jubi



You make a troll thread here:



You make immature hate threads:



Also, as I mentioned before you turned to racist slurrs, and hateful remarks when losing an argument. Go to your visitor profile, and check your quote. Are you that immature where you have to change what someone says just for people to believe you? Is your life that sad where you get a hard on, and bust a nut off of trolling people's threads?

Yet you have the audacity to come here and say my arguments and threads as garbage? Look at the things you post and compare them to mine.

Anyways you didn't refute anything. You didn't prove anyone wrong. You can go ahead and respond to this but I won't reply back. You're trolling my thread, and I have better things to do than to feed a no life troll.
 

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Lol Yeah now I see why nobdy reps you on this site. I read all your posts but the crap that you type isn't enough to refute my claims or evidence EMR. But I will go through a Shame the EMR post right now.
What are the three green bars doing under my nickname? I get repped occasionaly but I usually don't asskiss anyone unlike the majority of this site. This thread is a great proof of that.

1) You're the only one who thinks my points are weak.
As if it's not obvious that the majority of people responding to this thread are idiots and noobs who agree to anything in any thread mostly for asskiss reasons or to make friends. I consider your points weak because they are easily disproven which I did and will do since you are too slow to understand.

Only because you have a closed, and subjective mind.
Yet, you don't see how subjective you are being in this thread, parading your own opinions and assumptions as undeniable or unarguable facts.
Unlike you, I am not subjective, I base my arguments solely on manga facts, not on what I think characters should or shouldn't do.

You believe one thing and stick to it you don't think outside of the box.
I am probably the most "outside the box" person on this whole site. It's hilarious that you would say something stupid as that.

I provide evidence and you still deny the possibility that I am most likely right. But you are so fixated on the fact that Tobi is the elder son when he clearly has shown otherwise.
You were saying he was Madara even after real Madara was ressurected and all the other facts proving otherwise. How is that not fixated on the fact?
Geez, you contradict yourself with each statement.

I stick with this possibility because it sounds the most logical to me. When I will see decent evidence disproving it or supporting some other possibility I am going to admit I was wrong and agree on that other possibility.

2) How many people knew about the Sages sons it's inscribed on the Uchiha stone. How many people do you expect to know about it. That is like saying How many people know wood element, or How many people can see the chakra circulatory system when you know that's a specific answer.
It's so simple yet you still don't get it. It's like you are in your own world and you simply choose not to comprehend anything.

Nobody knows about Sage's son. Why would he claim to be nobody? How would he strike fear this way? Can you comprehend this? Do you understand why Tobi wouldn't claim to be someone who nobody fears or knows about?

3) This is a dumb point. Everybody knows the Sage is dead why would he claim to be the sage?
Oh really? All three of them are supposed to be dead. It doesn't matter which one of them he would preted to be, nobody would believe him he's any of them. Get it? If he can pose as Elder son, he can pose as Sage and he can pose as younger son. All three of them are supposed to be dead and all three of them are mythical. The only difference between them is that Sage is atleast known to a small part of ninja world while his sons were completely unknown and has no reputation in ninja world.

People don't pretend to be those weaker than themselves.
Where was it said or shown that Madara was weaker than Elder son? Please link me the page. I guess Sasuke is weaker than Fugaku.

They pretend to be stronger people to strike fear. Tobi is pretending to be someone stronger to start a war.
The reason why he went with the Madara foolishness which only proved to be fake. Now he goes by nobody. You think if Tobi pretended to be someone weaker that there would be a war going on?
HERP DERP. How would he start a war by pretending to be some mythical person who is unknown to the world and is supposed to be dead for thousands of years? Are you even reading your own posts?

That just shows logical reasoning as to why Tobi is not the elder son. Nobody pretends to be a descendant of themselves.
Again, these are your own assumptions. Don't parade them as truth or evidence. You miss the whole point and it's painful to read your stupidity.


4) I never said Naruto looked like the Sage. I said he resembled the Sage. Outline Naruto in the recent chapter and outline the So6p you don't see a resemblance? if you don't maybe you should give up on reading the Manga.
Well, Kishimoto and tailed beasts disagree with you because they never recognized any resemblance to Sage in Naruto. Is it because they don't feel like reacting in any way or is it because there's no significiant resemblance?

In any way this completely refutes your point about Tobi not being Elder son because he didn't recognized Naruto's resemblance to SO6P.

5) I made the comparison from Kakashi to Tobi but you didn't understand the point. When reading it is wise to comprehend what someone is saying to you.
Keep your advise to yourself. I feel like you can't comprehend a single thing.

6) Why wouldn't his sons acknowledge them either? It's obvious Tobi doesn't know their names. If he was the elder son he should, seeing as the So6P wanted them to be respected.
This is what I was talking about. I haven't seen so much stupidity in one post for days if not weeks. Why would elder son do as his father wanted? Are you up to date with Manga and Tobi's personality? He's the last person to acknowledge or respect someone.


7) I'm pretty sure you know Tobi has been trolling this entire time. Tobi claims he's madara. Claims he fought Hashirama but we know for a fact that he's not Madara why bring this page up?
You have serious comprehension problems, you know that?
Tobi acted/pretended to be Madara to Kabuto who already knows he is not Madara. What sense does that make to you or anyone? Kishimoto made him say that because he didn't want to spoil his identity. He was portraying Tobi as Madara at that moment, so he couldn't draw him saying Madara fought Hashirama.
I apply the same reasoning to the name calling. Tobi doesn't call them by their names because that would immedietly give away his identity or atleast narrow it down to three characters - Sage and his sons. Why would Kishi do something as stupid as this when he can just keep Tobi calling them by their tales?

8) Nothing you said proved me to be wrong in any way. In fact like I said before you're the only one without the comprehension to understand this thread.
First two points were disproven by the fact that tailed beasts didn't recognize any resemblance in Naruto so there's no reason Tobi should do the same.
The third point is biased. It's your own assumption/opinion on how Tobi should adress tailed beasts. I am not going to argue over your assumptions.

1,2,3. That's all three invalid points in your main posts.

It's like the mind of a 2 year old who thinks one way and doesn't think anyone else is right.
You just perfectly described yourself. It's like you completely oversee anything I have to say and just go on with your own stupidity.

Just because you believe 100% it's the Sages son doesn't mean that you are right. It also doesn't mean my argument it shit.
I never said I 100% believed him to be Sage's son. Quote me where I say it.
I believe in all possibilities but I believe Sage's son possibility to be the strongest one.

9) I don't really pay attention to what you type or say because in your posts you call people out. You have shown signs of racism and immaturity when losing an argument to NvG. You call me a troll and say my thread is stupid. You say you disproven all my claims yet everything you say is not proven either. Yet you still believe you are ultimately right.
I never lost manga argument to NvG and I never called out anyone when I debate over manga if I called out anyone it was in vm's or general discussion and definetly not because I was losing an argument.

There were about 20 vm's in my profile about me being gay, drug addict etc. I called him nigga n sh1t because I was annoyed by their harassments and insults and I knew it was good way to piss of and get rid of them. You know what? It actually worked.

10) EMR I broke this down into numbers so you can read and comprehend better.
Thanks but that only makes it worse because I know you are trying to adress my points but I don't know which ones because your system is completely random. Next time just use quotes like I do it.

Out of all the people who left a comment repped me.
Wow, that's some major asslicking right there. Everyone repped you for this thread? Seriosly? You must be a best friend to everyone on this site or it's the noobs who want to be your friends.

You're the only one to say my arguments are trash.
Not exactly trash, just invalid.

You're the only one to say I'm trolling.
Your claiming to have completely ruled out and eliminated this possiblity, how is that not trolling? I could understand if you said this thread lessened the possibility of elder son being Tobi but eliminated? That's either stupidity or trolling. Pick one of them.

11) I will never listen to or take you seriously for these reasons.

You say Sasuke is going to get powers similar to the Jubi

Not similiar, since it's only a small portion of his power but enough to match with Naruto's crazy power ups. It's alot more logical considering all the hints and foreshadowing in manga rather than thinking Sasuke has any chance against EOS (end of story) Naruto with just EMS or Rinnegan. Aside from those two and his hatred there is no other power up for Sasuke.


Also, as I mentioned before you turned to racist slurrs, and hateful remarks when losing an argument.
Quote me where I use racial slurr when losing an argument.

Go to your visitor profile, and check your quote. Are you that immature where you have to change what someone says just for people to believe you?
What? That's a real quote from a real thread. Press the arrow button and you will be directed to his post (unless he edited it).
 
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What are the three green bars doing under my nickname? I get repped occasionaly but I usually don't asskiss anyone unlike the majority of this site. This thread is a great proof of that.



As if it's not obvious that the majority of people responding to this thread are idiots and noobs who agree to anything in any thread mostly for asskiss reasons or to make friends. I consider your points weak because they are easily disproven which I did and will do since you are too slow to understand.



Yet, you don't see how subjective you are being in this thread, parading your own opinions and assumptions as undeniable or unarguable facts.
Unlike you, I am not subjective, I base my arguments solely on manga facts, not on what I think characters should or shouldn't do.



I am probably the most "outside the box" person on this whole site. It's hilarious that you would say something stupid as that.



You were saying he was Madara even after real Madara was ressurected and all the other facts proving otherwise. How is that not fixated on the fact?
Geez, you contradict yourself with each statement.

I stick with this possibility because it sounds the most logical to me. When I will see decent evidence disproving it or supporting some other possibility I am going to admit I was wrong and agree on that other possibility.



It's so simple yet you still don't get it. It's like you are in your own world and you simply choose not to comprehend anything.

Nobody knows about Sage's son. Why would he claim to be nobody? How would he strike fear this way? Can you comprehend this? Do you understand why Tobi wouldn't claim to be someone who nobody fears or knows about?



Oh really? All three of them are supposed to be dead. It doesn't matter which one of them he would preted to be, nobody would believe him he's any of them. Get it? If he can pose as Elder son, he can pose as Sage and he can pose as younger son. All three of them are supposed to be dead and all three of them are mythical. The only difference between them is that Sage is atleast known to a small part of ninja world while his sons were completely unknown.




Who said Sages son is stronger than Madara or you are implying that because Madara is his descendant he is automaticly weaker than him. I guess Sasuke is weaker than Fugaku.



HERP DERP. How would he start a war by pretending to be some mythical person who is unknown to the world and is supposed to be dead for thousands of years? Are you even reading your own posts?



Again, these are your own assumptions. Don't parade them as truth or evidence to something. You miss the whole point and it's painful to read your stupidity.




Well, Kishimoto and tailed beasts disagree with you because they never recognized any resemblance to Sage in Naruto. Is it because they don't feel like reacting in any way or is it because there's no significiant resemblance?

In any way this completely refutes your point about Tobi not being Elder son because he didn't recognized Naruto's resemblance to SO6P.



Keep your advise to yourself. I feel like you can't comprehend a single thing.



This is what I was talking about. I haven't seen so much stupidity in one post for days if not weeks. Why would elder son do as his father wanted? Are you up to date with Manga and Tobi's personality? He's the last person to acknowledge or respect someone.




You have serious comprehension problems, you know that?
Tobi acted/pretended to be Madara to Kabuto who already knows he is not Madara. What sense does that make to you or anyone? Kishimoto made him say that because he didn't want to spoil his identity. He was portraying Tobi as Madara at that moment, so he couldn't draw him saying Madara fought Hashirama.
I apply the same reasoning to the name calling. Tobi doesn't call them by their names because that would immedietly give away his identity or atleast narrow it to three characters - Sage and his sons. Why do something as stupid as this when he can just keep calling them by their tales?



First two points were disproven by the fact that tailed beasts didn't recognize any resemblance in Naruto so there's no reason Tobi should do the same.
The third point is biased. It's your own assumption/opinion on how Tobi should adress tailed beasts. I am not going to argue over your assumptions.

1,2,3. That's the three invalid points of your thread.



You just perfectly described yourself. It's like you completely oversee anything I have to say and just go on with your own stupidity.



I never said I 100% believed him to be Sage's son. Quote me where I say it.
I believe in all possibilities but I believe Sage's son possibility to be the strongest one.



I never lost an manga argument to NvG and I never call out anyone when I debate over manga if I called out anyone it was in vm's or general discussion.

There were about 20 vm's in my profile about me being gay, drug addict etc. I called him nigga n sh1t because I was annoyed by their harassments and insults and I knew it's a good way to piss of and get rid of them.



Thanks but that only makes it worse because I know you are trying to adress my points but I don't know which ones because your system is completely random. Next time just use quotes like I do it.



Wow, that's some major asslicking right there. Everyone repped you for this thread? Seriosly? You must be a best friend to everyone on this site or it's the noobs who want to be your friends.



Not exactly trash, just invalid.



Your claiming to have completely ruled out and eliminated this possiblity, how is that not trolling? I could understand if you said this thread lessened the possibility of elder son being Tobi but eliminated? That's either stupidity or trolling. Pick one of them.



Not similiar, since it's only a small portion of his power but enough to match with Naruto's crazy power ups. It's alot more logical considering all the hints and foreshadowing in manga rather than thinking Sasuke has any chance against EOS (end of story) Naruto with just EMS or Rinnegan. Aside from those two and his hatred there is no other power up for Sasuke.




Quote me where I use racial slurr when losing an argument.



What? That's a real quote from a real thread. Press the arrow button and you will be directed to his post (unless he edited it).
Hey EMR you're still wrong.

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I can't quote you on your racist remarks because the mods took down the thread but I do have a few witnesses. Anyways go on about your day troll. Oh yeah I'm pretty sure the people who disagreed with me were "ass licking" too. Anyways there's a respectful way of disagreeing and there's the EMR way by saying my thread is trash. Think before you say things. I had no problem with you before hand but you insulted my intelligence.
 
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I can't quote you on your racist remarks because the mods took down the thread but I do have a few witnesses.
Which thread? You claim I did something and yet you have nothing to support your claims. You are acting like hypocrite now.

Anyways go on about your day troll. Oh yeah I'm pretty sure the people who disagreed with me were "ass licking" too.
Quote me where I troll? If I am troll than who are you?

Anyways there's a respectful way of disagreeing and there's the EMR way by saying my thread is trash. Think before you say things. I had no problem with you before hand but you insulted my intelligence.
I didn't say your thread was trash, it's your own imagination. I agreed on it later as I realised your arguments were weak and not worthy of making a thread or even the big claims you made. It's funny how still don't realise why I said you were trolling even after I explained it for several times. Maybe there's something wrong with your intelligence.

Why do you not respond to what I said about tailed beasts not recognizing any resemblance to Sage in Naruto? You know I was right yet you don't admit you were wrong and just try to make look like a jerk. That's NvG school right there.

I am the only one who actually debated with you in this thread instead of mindlessly repping you and agreeing with everything you had to say. You should be happy that there's someone who can debate with you unless you're actually happy with the mindless repping/agreeing.
 
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lmfaooooo Fukkin PWNAGE!!! Dave you know i can post the evidence of the racist remarks man.. he even resorted to doing that in Hawkers thread with the myo guys nad Tsuchi had to infract him lol

but anyways i warned you man hes not gunna understand the logic and valid reasoning.. you gotta post gay porn and sprinkle cocaine on your posts.. did you see the pic he post of the guy up the other guys butt? smh he has a fetish for guys on guys butt action!!

btw i miss hawker.. he would really enjoy this
 

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lmfaooooo Fukkin PWNAGE!!! Dave you know i can post the evidence of the racist remarks man.. he even resorted to doing that in Hawkers thread with the myo guys nad Tsuchi had to infract him lol

but anyways i warned you man hes not gunna understand the logic and valid reasoning.. you gotta post gay porn and sprinkle cocaine on your posts.. did you see the pic he post of the guy up the other guys butt? smh he has a fetish for guys on guys butt action!!

btw i miss hawker.. he would really enjoy this
Owning EMR, I usually leave it to you two but since Hawker's out of commission for now I have to step in. I noticed that he only does it when talking to you.

If he would have just disagreed and stated his reasons this could have been a normal thread. But he tried me called it trash, and said my reasons were invalid. Like his were.

I told him to
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I'm not responding to this troll anymore.
 

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Dave you know i can post the evidence of the racist remarks man.. he even resorted to doing that in Hawkers thread with the myo guys nad Tsuchi had to infract him lol
Post it please, I beg you. Humiliate yourself even more. Please quote me where I resort to racial slurrs over manga debates. Note the part I bolded? I did that since I know you still won't notice it.

but anyways i warned you man hes not gunna understand the logic and valid reasoning.. you gotta post gay porn and sprinkle cocaine on your posts..
That's old man. Come up with something new.

did you see the pic he post of the guy up the other guys butt? smh he has a fetish for guys on guys butt action!!
Do I have to quote your post where you posted the same thing? Why are you acting like an idiot all the time? Aren't you embaressed at all by your behaviour?
 

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Owning EMR, I usually leave it to you two but since Hawker's out of commission for now I have to step in. I noticed that he only does it when talking to you.
Right.


I'm not responding to this troll anymore.
What a fucking hypocrite moron you are. Why are you still ignoring my point about tailed beasts not recognizing any resemblance to Sage in Naruto?

Spineless cunt. Can't just admit I was right. I am out of this retard festival.
 
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Owning EMR, I usually leave it to you two but since Hawker's out of commission for now I have to step in. I noticed that he only does it when talking to you.

If he would have just disagreed and stated his reasons this could have been a normal thread. But he tried me called it trash, and said my reasons were invalid. Like his were.

I told him to
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I'm not responding to this troll anymore.
yo he called you a spineless cunt man.. i think hes kinda mad

but whatever just ignore the troll.. he wants attention.. like you said before you made great points and im not just saying dat cuz you ma boy or nothing.. it could be you, a noob anyone if they make a good point i call it how i see it.. and like you said other people disagreed with you said you had a good point..

btw some random guy i never knew in my life repped me cuz i said emr is a troll and he told me that he agreed and told me about his experience with the dude. so i have people who i dont even know telling me about this guy that i know all too well so i think thats saying alot..

lol hawker would love this
 
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