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Really, Danzo?s death in this chapter came as a surprise to me, even more so than Kisame?s death a few chapters ago.
Being the battlefield veteran that he is, I found it odd that Danzo would commit to such a dangerous gambit against Sasuke in their final clash last chapter. In fact, the Raikage committed the same kind of rash decision when he fought Sasuke, and lost an arm because of it.

Is there something about Sasuke that makes even experienced fighters lose all common sense and instead rush in like fresh out of the academy Genins? Unlike Kisame, Danzo is quite intricately tied into the main plot of the series and has been a key antagonist from the beginning of part 2.
I had hoped that his return to Konoha after the kage summit would trigger a civil war within the battered village as those who hold loyalty to Roots would challenge anyone who would try to remove Danzo from his title as Hokage. Personally I had hoped that such a story arc would take place because it would finally move us back to Konoha and revisit some old familiar characters; also anything other than more Sasuke would be a plus.

Sasuke?s use of a mini-genjutsu on Danzo to trick him into believing he had more time with his Izanagi ability was pretty clever.
As Madara commented, a true-blood Uchiha is always superior to a knock-off Sharingan user when it comes to dojutsu. But despite the genjutsu, from what I can tell from the close-ups on page 3, Danzo also managed to wound Sasuke in approximately the same location as he was punctured.
Yet it seems like Sasuke came off the better of the two from their exchange and managed to remain standing.

Now on the verge of death, Danzo?s control over Shodaime?s cells is lost and it explodes out of control like same cancerous growth, and reminded me of Tetsuo?s mutation from Akira.
Danzo?s comment about the Shodaime cells trying to swallow him makes me rethink about just how powerful this ability is (and what powers Yamato has yet to reveal). After abandoning his right arm, Danzo reverts to his last transplanted weapon, Shisui?s Sharigan.

In a surprise move, Danzo uses an ability exclusive to Shisui called Doryoku to completely bypass Sasuke in a blink of the eye and take Karin hostage.
I?m unsure whether this technique was a type of genjutsu or something like the body flicker, but if Danzo had the ability to out manoeuvre Sasuke, why didn?t he try to take him out from behind rather than go for Karin? After that he could try to use Shisui?s mind control on Madara.
Well in the end I guess the old fox is still looking out for his own skin and is not above using others as human shields.
 

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As much as I despised Danzo?s character, as mentioned earlier his death here means a lot of potentially interesting plot lines will be terminated as well. Along with a Konoha civil war, I also hoped to see Sai struggle to deal with where his loyalties lies between Roots and Team Kakashi.
There is also the question of what will happen to Roots after the demise of their leader.
I haven?t seen anyone that could potentially take over the organization since everyone introduced so far tend to be subordinates only. Then again, that old fox is bound to have a contingency plan in place in case of his death, so things might get interesting.

I wanted to say something profound about Sasuke?s face at the end of the chapter, but nothing really comes to mind. What is there to say? Sasuke looks like he?s jerking off while committing murder ? it?s a mixed expression of both ecstasy and casual indifference; sorry but that?s the best way I can describe it, LOL.
Karin haters must be have been dancing in the streets when they saw what happened. But I seriously doubt Sasuke killed her just to get to Danzo, otherwise he wouldn?t have told her to stay still.

Judging by Karin?s position relative to Danzo?s as he was holding her, I?d say Sasuke just missed her heart. Good job Sasuke, way to team build. Meanwhile, Madara is smirking like a 6-year old at a candy store.
 

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Oh yeah i realized, i forgot to comment on that full spread crazed sasuke look, lol. it looks terrible. but at the same time really interesting. lord is right, it really must mean something!

note that only one of his eyes has the mangekyou while the other one has none, not even the usual sharingan. and it has the blood oozing from it, like the time itachi's MS appeared in that very same eye. i can't remember having observed this phenomenon before, and in what context. if there is something that kishi would like to accomplish by putting this unusually ugly face on full spread is for us to notice how peculiar it is. there must be something significant with sasuke's both eyes wide-open but only one eye has the sharingan, more specifically a bleeding MS in relation to what he has just done.

it was also worth noting i think that it was the exact same thing that danzo was saying that happened: "sasuke is useless," and "this woman (karin) will be sacrificed."

and then that is exactly what sasuke did: sacrifice karin!

did danzo's mind-control genjutsu worked after all?
 
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melo, well, it did happened before:




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But I think that this time it has the meaning of over-use of the Sharingan on the right eye. So, Madara wants Danzo's right eye, Shisui's eye, but, what if Sasuke wants it also? Anyway, next chapter, I hope Sasuke leaves a half-dead Karin only to be found by Sakura's team, and explain everything to her.
 

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only one eye with the ms, i think its a practical way to avoid getting totally blind, now that is a smart one.


how about a danzo clone or danzo's son or second hand right or left
 
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melo, well, it did happen before:




But I think that this time it has the meaning of over-use of the Sharingan on the right eye. So, Madara wants Danzo's right eye, Shisui's eye, but, what if Sasuke wants it also? Anyway, next chapter, I hope Sasuke leaves a half-dead Karin only to be found by Sakura's team, and explain everything to her.
Thanks semaka! i know this one-eye sharingan/ms has happened before but i thought those previous incidents were because of itachi's gift, since it was itachi's MS that was shown in sasuke's eye at that time.

this time it was sasuke's own MS, so i was thinking this could be different.

however, the second characteristic of itachi's MS is the blood oozing down. so definitely it is essentially the jutsu that itachi left sasuke that is active in this most recent event - the one eye sharingan/ms with blood oozing. in other words, sasuke is still capitulating on his brother's gift. thanks again semaka. i was hoping sasuke was already able to develop his own MS jutsu or to develop itachis' jutsu to be his own.

could it be the case that the 'eye of itachi' was activated as like before when madara 'showed' his sharingan but this time it was shisui's sharingan that re-activated it? could danzo be casting a 'mind-control' genjutsu with shisui's eye in the last scene? if that was the case, then madara was also casting a 'mind-control' genjutsu on sasuke the first time he has shown his sharingan, since both events activated itachi's fail-safe.

could it be that madara has the same mind-control jutsu as shisui or does he have the other eye of shisui -- the same eye he used on the third mizukage?

interesting.

brilliant observation on the advantages of using only one MS eye, to save the other one from going blind. :)
 

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Was Madara able to get Suishi's eye from danzo, or did that sealing jutsu seal away the eye forever? Time will tell. The 3rd Hokage was the leaves in the sun and Danzo was the roots. Now we know what relationship Danzo had with the 3rd Hokage and why root what root represented to Konoha! The 3rd understood this all too well. Root will remain in Konoha!
 

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Spoiler!! The shippuuden episode didn't yield much information. We now know that the 6-tails is from the Hidden Mist! This would mean that Hidden Mist had 2 bijuus just like Kumo.
 
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Sasuke wins again, but was there any doubt to begin with? This chapter signals the end of the Sasuke vs. Danzo battle as Danzo commits one final act to try to take out his enemies.
It?s pretty clich? in manga these days, but you always know a character is a goner if he has a flashback.
That?s not to say I dislike flashbacks, on the contrary I think they?re great for fleshing out the characters and giving a different perspective on even ?evil? personalities. I thought that Danzo?s flashback was nicely handled, it not only gave us a glimpse into the heart of this hardliner war hawk, but also let us in on a pretty important moment in Konoha?s history.

I was hoping that with Danzo?s defeat, we?d switch gears back to Naruto or at least some other plot point, but the scenes at the end of the chapter seem to suggest that the Sasuke-a-thon might not be over yet.

I think most people, myself included, still believe Karin is still alive, but her scene in this chapter suggests that Sasuke really did just throw her life away to get to Danzo. Even in the aftermath, neither Sasuke nor Madara bothered to even check on Karin to see if she was still alive.
Neither of them are trained in medical jutsu and by Sasuke?s comment that they will head to Konoha next, I doubt getting Karin is in their list of things-to-do. Well, in the end she did manage to get ?pierced? by Sasuke ? just not the way she had in mind >_> Poor Karin, even though I never did like her character much, this is still a pretty cruel way to treat her character.

Sasuke and Madara will probably leave her there to die, but I think she will be saved when Sakura?s team gets there. My prediction is that they?ll miss Sasuke, but find Karin instead. After being betrayed like that, Karin may just join the good guys against Sasuke in the future.

I found Danzo?s flashback scene really enjoyable this chapter. In fact, I wouldn?t complain if Kishi suspended the main plot and spent another 5-10 chapters fleshing out the events that transpired during the flashback. The same thing that made Kakashi Gaiden so enjoyable is what also works so well here ? we get to see a completely different side of characters we have known so well, thereby making it a very interesting read.

It was nice to see that even somebody as seemingly cold-blooded as Danzo was capable of showing fear in the face of death as a young shinobi. That scene reminded me a lot of a similar scene during one of the first Naruto story arcs where Naruto, even though he has been trained to deal with it, has to face to prospect of dying while on a mission for the first time. Although I still disagree with Danzo?s methods, his flashback at least tells me that his heart was in the right place? unless it was experimentally altered by Orochimaru or something <_<.

Danzo?s rivalry with Hiruzen was very similar to that of Naruto and Sasuke?s, with Danzo always chasing Hiruzan?s shadow. Yet while both sought to protect their village, I felt that Danzo?s constant fixation on surpassing his rival led him astray at some point in the past ? and which led him to augment his body in order to obtain more power. To Danzo, the pursuit of more power and military strength was the only way to keep Konoha safe from her enemies; and as Danzo grew more paranoid of other villages ? everyone became a potential enemy.

The last thing I want to mention about the flashback scene was what Nidaime said to Hiruzen. Unless it wasn?t translated properly, Nidaime clearly appointed Hiruzen as the new Hokage that day. Therefore, it?s likely he didn?t expect to return alive after acting as a decoy to save his students from the Kumogakure bounty hunters. Honestly, I was kind of hoping a more epic battle if this was indeed Nidaime?s final moments ? but at least it was a noble death of the older generation saving the younger so they can carry on the flames.

I don?t have too much to say about Sakura?s scene. Turns out she was seriously planning to go ahead with her solo suicide mission to try to take out Sasuke. Good thing Sai knew that Kishi loves Sasuke and that secondary character like them have no chance of killing a main character, and stopped her scheme; it?s the least he can do since he instigated this whole series of events several chapters ago. Sakura is just acting childish right now, she wants to end this whole mess by herself but in doing so has dragged Lee, Kiba and Sai along too for a ride. If Sai didn?t stop them, there would have been four more deaths added to Sasuke?s kill count.
 

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is sakura going to be insane or is this a trap for sasuke...
naruto with sennin mode looks like its going to be fun when kakashi and naruto faces sasuke
 
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In chapter 482 we observe what Madara is doing in his dark places. It turns out that my suspicions are correct; Madara is collecting sharingans. Danzo was able to crush Shushi's eye before death. Sasuke is almost blind from over use of the dojutsus. He will need Itachi's eyes if he is to continue his quest. Madara is very clever. Pitting Sasuke against Danzo did two things for him. First, he got rid of Danzo and will not have to fight him himself. Second, he forced Sasuke to over use his own eyes in hopes that he will take his brother's inorder to seek revenge on the Counselors. I am inclined to this that Sasuke is not going to leave Karin to die.

In this chapter we get some history on how Karin met Sasuke. I was surprised to know that they met during the chunin exams. Sasuke saved her. Their paths crossed and I don't think that Sasuke remembers.

Naruto is on the move and he is a sage. Sakura is in the midst of her own undoing that might cost her life. I hope at this point Sasuke rejects Sakura for Karin. This will bring the truth out in him and her. She will be faced with the worst situation. She end out contemplating the realization of love lost. Sasuke feelings are for Karin. Sakura will have to be saved by Naruto once again. What will Kishi do?
 

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Interesting! Karin was actually a participant in the chuunin exams held in Konoha as a genin from the land of grass! And she was actually saved by sasuke from a giant bear! I was fearing she was already (and unceremoniously) sucked into Danzo's body to die with him basing from the huge crater that that reversed sealing jutsu caused. good thing she was still alive, and sakura, as predicted, has indeed come to the scene.

hopefully, sakura will be able to save karin.

however, i just wonder why sasuke is reactivating his lightning blade as he stands near karin... was he really going to kill her?

regarding sakura's statement that she will now be joining sasuke: what is sakura planning? she has successfully drugged fuzzy brows, sai, kiba, and akamaru (soo cute, with the drool and smile -- like a drunk dog!) which means she does not want to involve them in whatever she is planning. if she is still planning to kill sasuke, then this time was not the time (and she could have had the help of the team), she could be waiting for the appropriate time. she needs to gauge sasuke's powers first, before attempting to kill him. now if she indeed was now following sasuke and leaving konoha, then could this be a sign of her 'undying love' for him, even as another girl is literally dying because of her love for the same guy.

it would really be such an interesting battle or confrontation when team 7 reunites!
kakashi, sakura, sasuke, and naruto in sage mode! i am at the edge of my seat.

and as we have brilliantly predicted: Madara is indeed collecting sharingans! so this is the ultimate reason behind the clan massacre; and he is therefore the main culprit in the death of sasuke's parents.

danzo only affirmed what he thought itachi told sasuke, but we know it was madara who told sasuke about itachi. so danzo categorically affirmed, in our view, madara's story.

but much of the whole truth lies in murky waters still. both danzo and madara benefited from the clan massacre as both were able to collect sharingans from the dead uchihas. it could be possible also that danzo was racing against madara in collecting sharingans so to prevent him from acquiring all of these eyes and accomplishing his goals. madara never knew danzo was collecting sharingans (that's why he was surprised to find out that danzo's arm and the izanagi).

now what was really the pretext for the clan massacre that was told itachi? was he really saving konoha by thwarting a coup d'etat?

as i have mentioned many times before, this reason does not suffice in 'justifying' the killing of the non-combatants, the helpless women, children, and elderly. there is definitely something else other than a purported coup. but it was somehow consistent that itachi did what he did (kill the clan) in order to save konoha.

now we ask: save from what or from whom? why was it necessary that all of the uchihas should die? what did their deaths accomplish in saving konoha?

what does the clan have that can pose as a threat to konoha -- either as something they can use against konoha, or someone else taking what they have and using it against konoha?

the mystery of the sharingan continues.
 
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With the Danzo vs. Sasuke battle now behind us, the story finally seems to be moving along again in chapter 482.
This chapter showed us progress in the story lines for all three members of the original team 7, and seems to hint that a meeting between Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke may occur some time in the near future.
Meanwhile, Karin fans will be glad that she hasn?t kicked the bucket yet, but she may not have much time left as she has received the dreaded flashback, which is equivalent to getting the Grim Reaper?s calling card in the Naruto manga.

Undoubtedly, Sakura stole the spotlight in this chapter with her bombshell revelation of her ?true? intentions to Sasuke at the cliffhanger ending. Some people are already jumping on the ?Sakura-is-a-(profanity)? bandwagon, but I don?t buy it.
Lately, Sakura has been deceiving a lot of people, so I admit that one could make a case questioning what her true intentions actually are. But this isn?t the Sakura of part 1 anymore, she?s been battle hardened and gained more confidence in herself through Tsunade?s tough training ? so I?d like to think that she?s grown out of her I?ll-do-anything-for-Sasuke-kun phase and has come to grips with reality.
If you look back on her original intentions for forming her own team to track down Sasuke, her actions now are completely illogical. So the only natural explanation would be that she?s trying to deceive Sasuke in order to get closer to him so she can kill him while his guard down.

Sakura isn?t stupid, she knows full well she can?t take on Sasuke in a fair fight, especially with Kishi?s ?Sasuke-can-not-die? rule in effect. Rather than relying on brute strength, I think Sakura is planning for a more (dare I say) ninja-like approach to take him down ? most likely a fatal medical jutsu or poison. But for that to work, Sakura needs to gain enough of Sasuke?s trust to get near him.
Obviously, this would be pretty hard if she brought her team with her, so she?d have to incapacitate them first. Notice that Sakura didn?t exactly pick the smartest cookies in the Konoha 11 to come with her (Sai being the exception but he kind of forcibly came along), I?m sure she wouldn?t have gotten away with her scheme if someone like Shikamaru was on the team.

Now that Sakura has come so far, the big question is whether the current Sasuke will accept her. Recent events indicate that Sasuke doesn?t place any value on teammates he considers excess baggage, new or old; so his decision to let Sakura join will hinge on 1. Whether he believes Sakura is telling the truth and 2. Whether he perceives Sakura as useful enough to him. Even if both criteria are met, I still doubt that Sasuke will really trust Sakura ? but he might keep her around to provide healing. From the last page of this chapter, it seems that Sakura also realizes that the current Sasuke is no more than a cold-blooded killer. She?ll need to choose her words carefully in the next chapter or she might end up like Karin.

Ahhh.. poor Karin, it just doesn?t seem like Kishi is going to cut this girl any breaks. The flashback was quite interesting as we revisit a previously unknown event during the Chunin Exam where Sasuke rescues Karin (whose headband indicates she hails from the Grass Village). Sasuke probably completely forgot about that event when he met Karin again years later, which shows that he cared for her about as much back then as he does now.
On the other front, Naruto is finally back in business.

And Yes, we finally get to see Naruto using sage mode again ? that chakra tracing ability is pretty useful. I was impressed he was able to sneak out from under Yamato?s watch. To be able to carve a hole big enough for him to fit through in the floor with just his kunai and quietly enough as not to wake Yamato ? that takes skill. However, this is Yamato we?re talking about, so it?s not inconceivable he planned for this scenario and had already planted something on Naruto to track him.

As for Madara, I don?t think he likes getting lip from Sasuke, but like Orochimaru he also sees Sasuke as a prized possession so he?ll put up with it, for now. After seeing page 13, it?s become clear that Madara?s true ambition is the ?Gotta Catch ?Em All? Plan, and Sasuke?s eyes are like the limited edition out-of-print rare foil that comes only one per sealed box.
Looks like Danzo got the last laugh on Madara and tore up Shisui?s Sharingan before Madara could lay his grubby hands on them. But you have to wonder why Madara needs all those eyes if he already has an Eternal Mangekyou Sharigan. Maybe what Itachi said about Mangekyou Sharingans going blind even applies to Madara, and the EMS story Madara told Sasuke was a lie.
 

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50% off sharingans? tsk tsk, you guys need a lesson in supply and demand. Unless Sasuke starts making babies like crazy in the near future, the supply side is non-existent, meaning the price per eyeball should go through the roof.
Madara?s real Moon?s Eye Plan is to sell the sharingans on ebay at a premium price, meanwhile his rumors of an impending war will drive real estate prices to rock bottom levels in every village, at which point he?ll swoop in and buy them out ? and make himself the ruler since he controls all the money and properties. Economic victory FTW! lol:D
 

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50% off sharingans? tsk tsk, you guys need a lesson in supply and demand. Unless Sasuke starts making babies like crazy in the near future, the supply side is non-existent, meaning the price per eyeball should go through the roof.
Madara’s real Moon’s Eye Plan is to sell the sharingans on ebay at a premium price, meanwhile his rumors of an impending war will drive real estate prices to rock bottom levels in every village, at which point he’ll swoop in and buy them out – and make himself the ruler since he controls all the money and properties. Economic victory FTW! lol:D
lol :D
 

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sishhhhh I actually fell sorry for Karin at this point.As always Sasuke is victorious & Danzo dead.I didn't think Danzo could have gone out so easily.This sure makes Sasuke an imba brat. He is way too much.

Sakura is shown as stupid as ever. Sasuke ain't a fool to actually believe Sakure & let her join him unless he can use her as his shield or decoy or blah blah..

Poor Karin is she gonna die ??

50% off sharingans? tsk tsk, you guys need a lesson in supply and demand. Unless Sasuke starts making babies like crazy in the near future, the supply side is non-existent, meaning the price per eyeball should go through the roof.
Madara’s real Moon’s Eye Plan is to sell the sharingans on ebay at a premium price, meanwhile his rumors of an impending war will drive real estate prices to rock bottom levels in every village, at which point he’ll swoop in and buy them out – and make himself the ruler since he controls all the money and properties. Economic victory FTW! lol
Oh another Moon Eye Theory Good On Lord...LOL
 
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OH IT's NaruHina on the site logo display bar!!! And falling red hearts!!! yey. happy valentines everybody. may you find love divine within you and find the true freedom that sharing love brings. :)

LOL @ lord, the second post got me. what?is this lord?lol.

sasuke might take on sakura's offer and dump karin. unless of course, sakura offers to heal her and sasuke realizes he can still use her, at least her ability to sense chakra and tracking people. so imagine the three of them together. lol.

but karin wouldn't be the same again, i don't think she will be that loyal and mad about sasuke. she would perhaps wonder why sakura is there wanting to follow him. and she most probably join forces with sakura and fill her in on what she knows about him when sakura's plan becomes clear that she wishes to stop sasuke on the road to hell. then add the two blokes later: jug-o and water boy. all of these guys would have the grudge on sasuke. when all realize that they'rea just pawns in sasuke's battle plan, they would reevaluate their 'loyalties.' just imagine what would happen now, exciting scenarios. that is is sasuke still decides to have all of them in his 'team'.

re sharingan store. oh no does this mean that madara can use any of these eyes interchangeably? so this is why we see only an ordinary sharingan in that one eye of his, his real eyes (the EMS, that which itachi was referring to when he said madara is alive and well and so are his eyes and its power) were put on reserve? so if he was able to use shisui's mind control jutsu on the mizukage in the past, that means he got shishui's other eye? my theory still holds that madara's ultimate plan is to fuse all the sharingans (and their powers) into just one eye, in a bid to 'resurrect' or even surpass the sage-of-the-six paths. i just wonder where he will get the body of a senju.
 
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Well Melo, that is indeed interesting. I was surprised at what Lord said as well. I beg to ask the question. Is Kakashi senju? I often wonder about his clan as we have little knowledge about them. We have not met anyone from Kakashi's clan. In Japanese history, when a ninja commits sepuku, the clan is dissolved. Is this what happend to Kakashi's clan? Why do I ask such a question? Melo pose that Madara needs a body of a seju for the moon-eye plan. I would have thought that his body will do. If it turns out that Kakashi is senju, then how come his body can't handle the Sharingan dojutsu better than Uchiha! Since his body can't, then he must not be senju. This will follow that Tsunada is the last senju in Konoha. What a turn of events is this turns out to be true. It will put a foil in Madara's plan. We know that PEIN had some bodies saved, I just hope that Madara didn't used that to his advantage and saved a senju body in Rain! We had not seen Tsunada fight! We see that Orochimaru was strong, but Jiraiya was stronger. What of Tsunada. Will we see her fight Madara, where he might try and take her body! LOL
That is one for jokes! There are many possibilities!
 
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