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this week in the Sas? Naruto manga, we reach a critical juncture in the battle of Mangekyou Sharingan versus jury-rigged Sharingan. Honestly, the fight in the last few weeks hasn?t been that exciting for me, but this chapter?s action-packed sequences was nice pace changer that built up to a fine climax at the end. Also in chapter 479, the Izanagi technique is explained, and I have to say it?s a pretty badass ability ? its existence brings up a whole slew of possibilities for Naruto theorists to consider.

Danzo starts off the battle with a sense of urgency. As Karin had closely observed, the Izanagi technique he uses has a time limit.
Due to Orochimaru?s help in the past, Danzo?s Izanagi has been extended beyond normal means, but he has been forced to keep the jutsu active for too long in the battle. Part of that is because Danzo can?t leave his guard down even a little bit due to Madara?s presence nearby. With only five of his original ten Sharingans left active, Danzo decides to gamble everything and try to take Sasuke out before his time runs out.

Danzo?s battle experience and knowledge in powerful wind element techniques really start to put the pressure on Sasuke even with his Susano?o. Even though Sasuke is using a more complete version of Susano?o, unlike in the previous battle with the Raikage, this fight is in Danzo?s favor due to fact that they are no longer in a closed environment where avoiding Susano?o?s attacks are more difficult.

Danzo?s summon, an elephant-like chimera called a Baku, is weird looking but does complement his wind element attacks very well.
We?ve seen combo jutsus before with Jiraiya and Gamabunta, but I thought the idea of using a vacuum ability to power-up his wind jutsu was very original. Fortunately or Sasuke, his Fire element is strong against Wind and all he had to do was spit a fireball loogie into the gaping maw of the Baku to put a damper on Danzo?s attack combo.

Like in Sasuke?s previous battles against the kages, his new Susano?o can also be weakened by particular powerful ninjutsu.
It seems like the toughness of Susanoo?s armor is directly proportional to Sasuke?s chakra level: when Sasuke blocks attacks like he did with Susanoo?s shield on page 3 it appears to drain his chakra and weaken him.
The opposite is also true: when Sasuke received chakra from Zetsu after fighting the Mizukage, his Susano?o was able to slowly regenerate. I bet Sasuke probably wants to chomp down on Karin?s arm right now, but there?s no way Danzo is going to give him even a second to recover.

This entire fight, and this chapter especially, felt like a preview for a battle between Sasuke and Naruto in the future. We get to see first hand how Susano?o fares against a powerful Wind technique and witness how Sasuke can use Fire to counter against Wind element, including summons.
In place of Danzo?s Izanagi technique we can substitute Naruto?s shadow clones and in place of Danzo?s Wind element attacks we can replace it with the Rasen Shuriken.

If the strength of Sasuke?s Susano?o armor is directly proportional to his chakra level, I don?t think it will stand up to Naruto?s Rasen Shuriken given how chakra-dense that attack is. The arrows Susano?o shoots would be Naruto?s biggest obstacle since he is best at close range fighting; even Danzo, who is quite fast despite his age, has difficulty avoiding those bolts. But maybe the boost in speed and strength from sage mode will give Naruto more of an edge.

I want to spend the last part of this analysis talking about the Izanagi. So essentially the Izanagi is like the poor man?s Mangekyou Sharingan. For the low, low price of just one Sharingan, the user can perform the ultimate genjutsu on himself by turning his wish into reality ? it certainly feels like a space-time like jutsu that you would expect a Mangekyou user to possess. The big draw back of course is that the user?s Sharingan is closed forever after using Izanagi. But by stockpiling Sharingans, Danzo can potentially use Izanagi for as long as his supply doesn?t run out.

So essentially, every Uchiha (with sufficient training) has two single-use only ?emergency escape? abilities at their disposal. This made me wonder (and many others are no doubt thinking the same) whether the reason Madara is only showing one of his Sharingans is because he had used Izanagi once in the past.

If I had to bet on it, I would probably put my money on his battle with Hashirama Senju at the Valley of the End. It was originally believed Madara was killed in that battle, but perhaps he saved himself with the Izanagi as a last ditch move.

After witnessing this technique first hand, I also won?t be too surprised that Sasuke would want to learn it from Madara; it certainly fits his nature of sacrificing everything for victory/revenge.

I have some other minor points which I?ll list point form below before I finish this post:
- What?s going on in page 13? Karin starting telling Sasuke what she observed but Sasuke blabs it out without even listening. Translation error or was this to make Karin look even more irrelevant?
- Doesn?t Sasuke?s sword summon on the last page remind you of someone (clue: they share the same voice actor in their respective anime shows)
- Last page: it looks like Danzo has the more serious stab wound, but I think both of them are safe. Sasuke appears to use an MS technique (Tsukuyomi possibly) at the last second. Danzo still has one Sharingan left (60 seconds of Izanagi by Karin?s account) before attacking and he might have back-up Sharingans concealed on his body.

Oh, and don?t forget Danzo also has Shisui?s Sharigan, he needs to let it recover but it?s possible he could use it in an emergency.
 
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danzo has said that he has chakra reserved intended for madara so if he uses that he will (i think) win against sasuke but his life will be on madara's hands, or maybe madara interferes before the both of them kill each other. there is a reason why madara has brought this two to fight and i think that after having gathered enough info he would think its time to make a decision on wether to use danzo or not or i cant really tell whats inside the mind of madara.

and yeah i also think that it was a preview or a simmulation of a sasuke vs naruto fight

and sasuke is a looser just count the number of times he has lost already especially on the previous chapters.
 

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This is a side track from the Sasuke and Danzo battle. Naruto Shippuuden is showing a filler with the 6-tail beast. We will get to see more of him and maybe his life story. Interesting enough, he meets Naruto. Neither of them know that they are both host to bijuus.
 
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This is a side track from the Sasuke and Danzo battle. Naruto Shippuuden is showing a filler with the 6-tail beast. We will get to see more oh him and maybe his life story. Interesting enough, he meets Naruto. Neither of them know that they are both host to bijuus.
About that, the thing I am most curious about is.... who is going to capture him?! Will it be Pain and Konan? Will it be Zetsu? Maybe Kisame? Or good boy Tobi? That is the thing I am looking forward in this filler, which I don't think it will be a full 24 episodes filler (I hope) , the last picture at the end of the episode is showing Naruto with Pain and Jiraiya ... so, this is a preview of what is coming. I sure hope it won't be a full season for this filler, only 12-13 episodes.
 

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Semaka, I have a feeling it with be either Konan, Zetsu, or Tobi. I don't think it will be Kisame as we will see him fight the Killerbee later on. The only one that we have not see really go all out is Konan, Zetsu and Tobi. From the manga, Zetsu fights and show some of his skills but that is it. We really don't know how Konan fights and I think the skills of Tobi will be the skills of Madara. Well will really get to see Tobi/Madara skills closer to the end of the Sasuke revelations. It will be interesting if Konan is the choice to capture the six tails. If this happens, it will be an opportunity for the anime producers to cross the paths of PEIN & Konan with Naruto and team. When the team gets back to Konoha, they hear about Jiraiya-sama's death. Well, this most likely would not happen! :)

I do hope Konan is selected. Just think if the producers of the anime choose this opportunity to show an unnamed Akatsuki member. :))
 
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Semaka, I have a feeling it with be either Kohan, Zetsu, or Tobi. I don't think it will be kisame as we will see him fight the Killerbee later on. The only one that we have not see really go all out is Kohan, Zetsu and Tobi. From the manga, Zetsu fights and show some of his skills but that is it. We really don't know how Kohan fights and I think the skills of Tobi will be the skills of Madara. Well will really get to see Tobi/Madara skills closer to the end of the Sasuke revelations. It will be interesting if Kohan is the choice to capture the six tails. If this happens, it will be an opportunity for the anime producers to cross the paths of PEIN & Kohan with Naruto and team. When the team gets back to Konoha, they hear about Jiraiya-sama's death. Well, this most likely would not happen! :)

I do hope Kohan is selected. Just think if the producers of the anime choose this opportunity to show an unnamed Akatsuki member. :))
If Konan is selected, then most likely Pain will be there, both of them are on the same team. Konan will have a tough time against this Jinchuriki because he uses bubbles and water techniques, she is vulnerable to that, and maybe the future Animal Path will be shown alive. I sure hope so.
 

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Your right about Konan's techniques. I know if she can only do the paper jutsu? So Semaka, it seems like it most like be Zetsu. However, if Konan do have some techniques other than paper, she might be choosen. At this point, all the others that would have been a good choice to fight 6-tails is already dead. I really wish that Naruto and 6-tails come to realize each other and what they are; this will be a great experience for Naruto. It will re-enforce his resolve to stop Akatsuki. It will be a anime boost if 6-tails jinchuuriki can work with his bijuu. Maybe some wise words from him will help Naruto. Just being hopefull! Tobi have not shown his fangs yet and I don't think he will now. I don't think he know where the 6-tails jinchuuriki is either. I would really like to know the purpose of showing him now and what connection is there to Konoha. From what I remember in the episode, he is not from the same country as the lady Hatori! Utakata does not carry a headband and he mentions that he is a wanted man. Its possible that he left this country. We have see more than one Jinchuuriki in a country. Example, Kumo! Well, we know he is not from Sand, Mist, or even Konoha. Its possible he is from Whirlpool Country.

Just imagine if he is from Whirlpool Country and is either related to Kushina or knows her. This is the best and most exciting possibility. Just imagine is his last name is the same as Kushina's. Well Kakashi is not there which make it more of a eye opener. Kakashi will instantly know who he is if he has her last name. Yamato may know as well as he is the interim to keep Naruto in check was Anbu. Just thinking about it is exciting! I hope that this is what the anime producers are thinking as we have little knowledge on her. We have already gotten the arc with the 4th Hokage, Naruto's father. Now its time to get more information on Naruto's mother. At some point in time they will have to show Naruto learning more about his parentage.
 

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Your right about Konan's techniques. I know if she can only do the paper jutsu? So Semaka, it seems like it most like be Zetsu. However, if Konan do have some techniques other than paper, she might be choosen. At this point, all the others that would have been a good choice to fight 6-tails is already dead. I really wish that Naruto and 6-tails come to realize each other and what they are; this will be a great experience for Naruto. It will re-enforce his resolve to stop Akatsuki. It will be a anime boost if 6-tails jinchuuriki can work with his bijuu. Maybe some wise words from him will help Naruto. Just being hopefull! Tobi have not shown his fangs yet and I don't think he will now. I don't think he know where the 6-tails jinchuuriki is either.
I'd guess it would be more of a zetsu or kisame fight, as naruto doesn't appear to recognize konan when he sees her with pain. You could even say kisame, as he is a water type ninja, and we can then see more about him xd

I would really like to know the purpose of showing him now and what connection is there to Konoha. From what I remember in the episode, he is not from the same country as the lady Hatori! Utakata does not carry a headband and he mentions that he is a wanted man. Its possible that he left this country. We have see more than one Jinchuuriki in a country. Example, Kumo! Well, we know he is not from Sand, Mist, or even Konoha. Its possible he is from Whirlpool Country.

Just imagine if he is from Whirlpool Country and is either related to Kushina or knows her. This is the best and most exciting possibility. Just imagine is his last name is the same as Kushina's. Well Kakashi is not there which make it more of a eye opener. Kakashi will instantly know who he is if he has her last name. Yamato may know as well as he is the interim to keep Naruto in check was Anbu. Just thinking about it is exciting! I hope that this is what the anime producers are thinking as we have little knowledge on her. We have already gotten the arc with the 4th Hokage, Naruto's father. Now its time to get more information on Naruto's mother. At some point in time they will have to show Naruto learning more about his parentage.
I actually was going to refute this part, but i thought better and remembered that this could actually happen, as long as he only knew her before her meeting minato and also that he doesn't know about him. Otherwise, if he told anything to naruto, it would create a big plothole in the anime.
 

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It seems that Utakata is showing gestures of being samurai and not ninja. His clothing is kimono with a insignia of bubbles. In Naruto we see that samurai have chakra but does not use jutsu. This is consider dishonorable by samurai. They consider it trickery which is not part of a TRUE warrior. Well, ninja or samurai - he seems to be of great skill.

I agree with this as well: " and also that he doesn't know about him. Otherwise, if he told anything to naruto, it would create a big plothole in the anime."
 
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Just imagine if he is from Whirlpool Country and is either related to Kushina or knows her. This is the best and most exciting possibility. Just imagine is his last name is the same as Kushina's. Well Kakashi is not there which make it more of a eye opener. Kakashi will instantly know who he is if he has her last name. Yamato may know as well as he is the interim to keep Naruto in check was Anbu. Just thinking about it is exciting! I hope that this is what the anime producers are thinking as we have little knowledge on her. We have already gotten the arc with the 4th Hokage, Naruto's father. Now its time to get more information on Naruto's mother. At some point in time they will have to show Naruto learning more about his parentage.
Kushina's last name is Uzumaki. I don't think they (kushina & Utakata) are related in that way.But of course can be of the same village or live somewhere near or i dunno know. there are countless possibility.
About the capturing of the 6-tails is it actually gonna happen??? If so I would like to see Zetsu in action.
 

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i have to say, the ending of chapter 480 was good. I liked the look on Sasuke's face. But, now, he is wanted for killing the Hokage! Konoha won't forget that, this is huge. And Madara will take Shisui's eye, now, we will see Madara's face for sure. I think he didn't kill Karin, she is shorter than Danzo, so he didn't pierced her heart with Chidori.
 

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Semaka, that may be true. What puzzles me is that the used a dojutsu as thought he was going to burn Danzo with those black flames. Well, its possible that he bent that lightening sword around the vital organs of Karin. So I guess its official now. Madara really only had one eye. So Madara was after Shushi's eye after all. Is it possible that Madara is adding sharingan abilities by adding eyes. I wonder! So, we see that just because a jutsu is forbidden does not mean that its powerful. As Tsunada said, its forbidden due to the risk to the user.

Semaka, I don't know Konoha will really dislike that fact that Danzo died by Sasuke. Remember that the other Kages already named Kakashi as the interim Kage as Tsunade is out and that Danzo showed dis-honor. Well, Konoha no longer have a problem with root as its Sasuke, a missing nin that killed Danzo. If it was someone who was under orders, like Kakashi, Yamato, or Naruto (the sage and hero) it would have erupted civil war. So, Kisi "killed two birds with one stone". Now there is the issue of the counselors. Tsunade will wake up after all this have passed, learning that Sasuke killed Danzo and the Counselors.

I didn't think Danzo had any chance of even fighting Madara! He is far above Sasuke that even I thought! I think that Naruto may be the only one, with more sage training, capable of challenging Madara!
 

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well it went almost exacty as i have posted previously, sasuke really is a genius the continuation really was a genjutsu.

but im still confused why didnt madara and karin noticed sasukes genjutsu? how come karin and danzo have the same perception of the open eyes? could it be that karin is also under the genjutsu?
 
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Semaka, that may be true. What puzzles me is that the used a dojutsu as thought he was going to burn Danzo with those black flames. Well, its possible that he bent that lightening sword around the vital organs of Karin. So I guess its official now. Madara really only had one eye. So Madara was after Shushi's eye after all. Is it possible that Madara is adding sharingan abilities by adding eyes. I wonder! So, we see that just because a jutsu is forbidden does not mean that its powerful. As Tsunada said, its forbidden due to the risk to the user.

Semaka, I don't know Konoha will really dislike that fact that Danzo died by Sasuke. Remember that the other Kages already named Kakashi as the interim Kage as Tsunade is out and that Danzo showed dis-honor. Well, Konoha no longer have a problem with root as its Sasuke, a missing nin that killed Danzo. If it was someone who was under orders, like Kakashi, Yamato, or Naruto (the sage and hero) it would have erupted civil war. So, Kisi "killed two birds with one stone". Now there is the issue of the counselors. Tsunade will wake up after all this have passed, learning that Sasuke killed Danzo and the Counselors.

I didn't think Danzo had any chance of even fighting Madara! He is far above Sasuke that even I thought! I think that Naruto may be the only one, with more sage training, capable of challenging Madara!
Maybe they won't care if Sasuke killed Danzo as a person, but Danzo as a Hokage. The villagers don't know what happened at the summit. And do you think Root will just stay and do nothing about it? I am pretty sure there are some strong ninjas in root. They will try to hunt Sasuke down.
 

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Oh no Danzo can't die yet! We still haven't seen the full extent of Shisui's fabled sharingan in battle (except for that one move that Danzo used it to evade Sasuke's attack and like a shimmer was able to take a hostage). I was happy to see that Danzo was able to rise up and unleash Shisui's sharingan from out of the head bandages! Haha!

However, it looks like Sasuke, Madara, and Danzo, himself, are unanimously confirming the fact that this is the end. Nonetheless, I still want to see how Danzo would use Shisui's eye. And I want to know: what does Danzo actually mean by, "I am the only one who can change this world"?

How is Danzo gonna do that? And what special powers does he have to declare that claim?

Danzo has lost all ten sharingans to Izanagi, and then shed off Hashirama's cells, too. The only ace in his sleeve is Shuisui's eye. What can it do? Why did Madara call Shisui's jutsu a doryoku? What is doryoku, anyway? Doryoku is roughly translated as 'great effort, endeavor, exertion'. Be that as it may, it it is clear that it's major strength is its genjutsu. And Danzo appears like Shusui's eye is his most precious possession, unlike any of his other Sharingans that he can dispense with in emergency and life-saving situations through the Izanagi. And while we know from just how many Uchihas were killed in that clan massacre that it is most likely that Danzo still have many more Sharingan reserves in his Roots underground lair where the medical ninjutsu they mastered with the help of Orochimaru could implant in him new Sharingans.

Now we ask, was Danzo able to use Shisui's genjutsu on Madara? if he did, what would be its effect on Madara and what would it aim to accomplish? Danzo disregarded the immediate threat that is Sasuke and focused instead on Madara. Why? What does Danzo know about Madara, his powers and his plans?

Madara surmised that Danzo is also interested in the Kyuubi for himself, just as he is. And as already pointed out, Madara is also interested in Shisui's eyes.

What would Madara do with Shisui's sharingan? That is the one thing we have to watch for, since apparently we won't see it being used in battle extensively in this recent fight anymore. The battle has ended. Danzo is no more.

Did Karin die, too? I also don't think she did since indeed she is shorter than Danzo and that is the reason why Sasuke told her not to move. Danzo and Karin's heart are not aligned. Sasuke's attack would pierce through her and straight to Danzo's heart but avoiding her heart.

And while the fact that Madara desires Shishui's eyes may not necessarily mean that Madara has only an eye left (the right eye), that would definitely point us to the fact that Madara collects eyes! He was there in the Uchiha massacre to collect Sharingan eyes just as Danzo was! Itachi has mentioned that Madara is alive and well, and so are his eyes. I take it that both his eyes are intact, and he has retained that unique eye technique that he developed in virtue of the transplant of his brother's eyes. Minato has also affirmed that Madara remains a very strong opponent (if not the strongest shinobi) and so there is a very pressing need for Naruto to be jinchuuriki among other things that must be done in order to counter him. That is how Minato apologized to Naruto and justify sacrificing his son to suffer such a life having the demon fox inside him, as well as sacrificing his very own life by using the death god sealing jutsu. But i digress.

If Madara was collecting eyes like Danzo, then Madara has a storehouse of Sharingan eyes as well.

Madara may intend to use them through Izanagi so he has a sort of immortality jutsu, or it is possible that he intends to collect all the Sharingans that ever existed and through a fusion jutsu, incorporate all of them into just one eyeball! Notice that the eye-of the moon plan only depicts one eye casting a genjutsu on the whole world. All Sharingans in one eye, and all in one body that contains all bijuus! Could this be what he meant by the true power of the Sharingan?
 
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Melo, with that said. Its possible that Madara have collected Nagato's eyes as well. All we know is that Konan took his body back to Rain. Madara is the leader after all and its possible that he told Konan that if Nagato dies, return the body to him. I remember seeing that all-seeing-eye with a combination of both all the sharingan and the Rinengan. Before we can get the complete story on Madara, we will have to get through Naruto and Sasuke! What will be the verdict! I have a feeling that Madara will have Naruto and Sasuke fight in Konoha! I'm sure he will want to show all of Konoha want he have done with the Uchiha! And ultimately try to prove that his clan was always more powerful than the senju! As things go, Kishi is slowly showing that there are little true senju left. Tsunada have no family and we have not seen any clans' house of senju!

So, is Nara, Akimichi, Ino and others all senju?
 

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In another version, Manga Stream (which I highly recommend) translated what Danzo said:

"He got me right through the heart... right through the hostage"

into

"He aimed for my heart right through the hostage"

Well.... the 2 versions have 2 meanings.

Sleepy Fans translation is confirming that Sasuke did hit Danzo's heart, but Manga Stream's translation leaves a question mark whether Sasuke hit or not hit danzo's heart. He aimed for it, but did he hit it?
 

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This week?s Naruto manga was a decent read, but I was really expecting an ending where Danzo lived.
Nobody really liked Danzo to start with but with him woven so deeply into the story so far, it felt odd that Kishi decided to just kill him off right here.
This is also the chapter where I think we can say for sure that Sasuke has crossed the line into the ?not-so-sane? territory.

We?ve seen Sasuke kill people before, but this is the first time we?ve seen him with such a crazed expression on his face as he?s doing it.
Kishi devoted a full two-page spread to that one expression, so you now it has to have significance.

From here on out, I can only expect Sasuke to commit more and more murders and fall deeper into Madara?s control while alienating the few remaining companions he has left.
 
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