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The eye's probably have the unique ability of each person that they where taken from.. When Itatchi was "kiling' Shishu, Danzo was already wearing bandages all over his body.. I don't think the eye in his head is Shishu's but It's in the arm, as the Byakugan seen the chakra flowing from the arm shoulder and eye..
So I'm betting he can turn on any eye he wants and flow the chakra to the eye in his head to use that power.. But I bet t his uses a hell of a lot of chakra, bet Orochimaru did this for him and thats why Orochimaru wouldn't settle for just an eye transplant as he felt it had weakness's.. always being on for one.. Thats why they keep it covered.. not being a uchiha and not being able to fully evolve the eye also.. just a guess but..
 

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thought that to obtain the eternal mangekyo sharingan you need to remove the eyes of a nother MS user that is still able to see and they must some how be similar...if you look at madara and his brothers MS they seemed to fit together perfectly interms of eye paterns.Itachi's MS seems more like the patern would suit Kakashi's MS better than the patern would suit Sasuke's.This is my main reason for believing that Sasuke will go blind but obtain an EMS from Danzo.
what about madara offered the itachi's eyes to sasuke??
 

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itachi told Sasuke that he would always be there for him. I guess he is keeping his promise by showing up very angry. I've really never seen him look like that with that dark overlay over his eyes. He always has a peaceful look in his eyes, but not now. And it looked like Sasuke was surprised when the birds came out from him. So it looks like Sasuke didn't have any control over it.:sasuke:
 

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i think its safe to assume this is a genjutsu...i think many people forget that just because someone has a bunch of uchiha eyes doesnt mean they have more skilled eyes then any uchiha...for example when itachi put kakashi in his genjutsu...he said if your not a uchiha then u have no chance in genjutsu vs someone who is a uchiha so i think this is either sasuke doing genjutsu on danzou or a genjutsu itachi gave to sasuke without him knowing.


Honestly though i dont see how it can't be sasuke doing it...we all didn't know he had a new summon did we? then he summons a huge bird out of nowhere so its pretty safe to say sasuke has alot of things we don't know about.
 

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i mean we never really saw him in MS mode, whenever the eyes appreance, it's just look like an ordinary sharingan, and i got a feeling it never diactivated.

sasuke have used some sort of space time jutsu when he escaped deidara self explotion, at that time his eyes r just regular sharingan, so i think its possibble
But he's supposed to use the MS constantly, specially when he is making attacks just slide through him. You can see this in the fight with Fuu and Torune:


And also Sasuke didn't use a space-time jutsu, he used the summoning jutsu to call orochimaru's snake (can't remember the name) and then went in his mouth as they went to the snake world (and then back).
 

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But he's supposed to use the MS constantly, specially when he is making attacks just slide through him. You can see this in the fight with Fuu and Torune:


And also Sasuke didn't use a space-time jutsu, he used the summoning jutsu to call orochimaru's snake (can't remember the name) and then went in his mouth as they went to the snake world (and then back).


correct me if am wrong ;), i dont know if there's a better translation
 

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correct me if am wrong ;), i dont know if there's a better translation
That's just what i was saying xd He used manda as a was to teleport to his "dimension" (like the frog place) and then back. Read this page and you may see that suigetsu had to use kuchiyose to bring him back:
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But he's supposed to use the MS constantly, specially when he is making attacks just slide through him. You can see this in the fight with Fuu and Torune:


And also Sasuke didn't use a space-time jutsu.
That's just what i was saying xd He used manda as a was to teleport to his "dimension" (like the frog place) and then back. Read this page and you may see that suigetsu had to use kuchiyose to bring him back:
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yes you're right sasuke did summoning sorry not to put this in my earlier comment and the whole detail about it, but you missing the point about what happen after that, you're not supposed to ignored the fact that suigetsu said at page 14
 

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yes you're right sasuke did summoning sorry not to put this in my earlier comment and the whole detail about it, but you missing the point about what happen after that, you're not supposed to ignored the fact that suigetsu said at page 14
Yeah that actually makes me a bit confused. Maybe summoning really is a space-time justu. I don't know xd
 

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oviously summoning is a spacetime jutsu, you should have known that by simply by the sudden appearance and disappearance of things in the manga you should read more on theoretical physics to understand spacetime though
 

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can i join?
of course ninryu! you are most welcome here. we are interested to know your views and your thoughtful comments on the recent chapters. so please share them.

Hi everyone Good to see u guys here..:D
yeah, glad to see you here croc! the discussion is just awesome as it is now. and the great senseis of NC are here, too. so i'm really so honored and proud to be in your company.

great theories everyone. now let me catch up with reading your other posts.

@LORD

yeah i almost flipped off the wall (i didn't pull my hair out though -- that's for the fangirls.) ITACHI is back!!! and he's angry, very, very angry. XD i think itachi's presence is the second of his series of 'fail-safes' and is either an implanted 'bunshin' in sasuke's eye or a genjutsu. we just wonder what itachi will gonna do to danzo. (*excited*)


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my chapter comments


it's is worth noting that the way itachi's bunshin 'dies' were much like how danzo repetitively dies in this chapter, blood spurting and all, albeit without the fancy crows flying. see

so my (alternative) theory is that it is an advanced bunshin tech that danzo is doing, similar to itachi's, but he is able to 'conceal' the chakras of his other bunshins through his sharingan... and perhaps also through a space-time jutsu (for that is so far the only other way we know how to conceal one's chakra aside from karin's ability). it is possible that each sharingan represents/controls one bunshin. the closest and most strategically located bunshin gets activated after the recent one gets snuffed out. and whenever a bunshin gets 'extinguished' the sharingan eye that controls it closes. there is no way danzo is immortal, but he would like to make it appear to sasuke that he can't be killed, he said, "it's no use." and he has about a total of 11 sharingans!

so it would be karin and madara who would analyze and finally decipher danzo's mysterious jutsu. this seems to be what is being suggested by the chapter subtitle: DANZO'S MYSTERIOUS POWERS. so would danzo be defeated here?

i agree to what many of us said that it would not be danzo's end yet. as the chapter teaser indicates... danzo: is he the greedy despot or the ultimate shinobi incarnate? his 'roots' run deep, so deep. so what does this mean?

in other words, danzo is a character that holds much info and influence in the story. we'll not gonna see his demise so soon. {B]either we get to see more of danzo's 'roots' organization or his own personal roots, his personal history, and most importantly his connections and his great influence and power in relation to political events and concerns in the ninja world. or all of the above.[/B]

this is what danzo is saying when he tells sasuke that he does not see 'itachi's truth' and devalues 'the sacrifice of the uchiha clan'. this gives us a clue to the 'extreme' importance of the deaths of all the other members of the uchiha clan. surely it is not only to avoid a coup and the deaths of many konoha villagers, it is much much more. since if it was only to avoid a coup, a successful assassination of all the major players of the uchiha coup plot would suffice. but even the innocent women, children, elderly, and non-combatants had to die too! what's the purpose?

itachi knows. but sasuke still doesn't. that is why itachi's first question to sasuke before they fought was, "just how far does your eye see (the truth)?" and "unless you see with the same eyes as me, you would not beat me." it is the power of truth that will conclude this conflict between danzo-madara-itachi-sasuke.

now as i read back the chapter and watch the fairly recent episode where itachi does a tsukoyomi on sasuke and plucks out his eye, i am lead to believe that was not merely a 'useless' jutsu meant only to show off, but itachi did something else also, which we now see as the jutsus in sasuke's left eye and most probably also this 'second' fail-safe, a tsukoyomi bunshin of himself! the transfer of jutsus may not have happened only at the last moment when the blood on itachi's fingers dripped down to sasuke's left eye. we can't underestimate the true power of itachi's tsukoyomi.

first of all, i think it was the power of tsukoyomi that made that implant/trasfer of jutsu technique happen. now it is the tsukoyomi that sasuke has performed that enabled itachi's bunshin to be activated against danzo's sharingans. secondly, it is to be observed that itachi's vehicle of revealing truth is usually through the tsukoyomi. therefore, we must not underestimate how itachi is able to make into reality or how much reality he can make happen with the 'special genjutsu' that is the tsukoyomi. i think it is part of itachi's responsibility and intention to reveal the truth to his little brother, but not directly from him (since that would be a betrayal of his own code) but through helping sasuke force out a confession from danzo himself (through the tsukoyomi).

so i expect the 'truth' about the real purpose of the uchiha massacre will be revealed in the confrontation between itachi and danzo; and sasuke will fill-in what he got from madara. so we'll know who really is speaking the truth.

if that happens, i think madara will end up having to 'emend' some of his stuff, as well as further justify his participation in the massacre and his relations with danzo; or in order to stop being found out, he will be the one to snuff out danzo before he sorts the spilled beans according to its kind.

but all these is just wishful thinking, the likes of danzo will die with his secrets, just like itachi. so if that is the status quo, it is madara who holds the power of influence here... since he is the only one who has the story. unless danzo and/or itachi speak/s out, that is.

the truth shall set free.
 
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Hey i need to recap on what i suggested earlier and add onto it. i was rushed earlier and here?s my full opinion on what itachi is.

1st off i think i know what itachi is. Before danzo turned ravens were coming from sasuke, which we all know to be itachi?s calling card. When itachi imparted his gifts to sasuke(as he did Naruto) he implemented what i believe to be a fail safe, sort of like what minato did. If ever sasuke tires himself out using his mangekyo sharingan abilities in an emergency that his consciousness would awaken and then his chakra would envelop sasuke?s body giving him physical shape to fight. This would however only be triggered when under attack by another sharingan user.

Since Itachi told sasuke NEVER to follow madara (he made it so that amaterasu would set madara on fire so he must hate madara) this may have been put in place incase sasuke ever went all out on madara. I think madara knew of this and tried to force itachi out by facing sasuke against danzo but when danzo?s abilities didnt set it off (It may have responded ONLY to madara) madara unlocked his sharingan and used it on sasuke. Sensing an attack Itachis consciousness poured out to face the threat only now realising it is danzo. This would also explain why madara had his sharingan on in that panel.

Maybe i?m looking to deep but i think that this is a real winnning theory. I am confident in how this would work and play in the story. For instance now that itachi has come out this will probably be the last time that we ever see him fight again. He would end up using all the chakra and therefore disapear like minato from sasuke?s consciousness. Then Madara could use sasuke to do whatever he wanted. We must remember that madara is a master of plans, he even thought that sasuke would beat itachi remember? The only thing he didnt plan on was Naruto beating pein and yet madara moves on. This has got to be another one of his plans.

I would also like to comment on how danzo keeps on reviving. While his powers for that are dependent on the sharingan, i think that he is using a evil type of substitution. The sharingans teleport people in root to take the place of danzo in life or death situations through a space time MS power. Now i know the arguments against that but let me break it down.
1) Danzo has several sharingans, c?mon like one of them might not be mangekyo?
2) If none are, then after getting the sharingans he felt an incredible sense of loss be it of family(IDK) dog ran away, or the fact that the third hokage was so mad at you for stealing the sharingans that he sealed said arm and now you feel that the sacrifices you made your whole life was for nothing and have tried to commit suicide thus unlocking the mangekyo.
3)every MS has been space time. Madara?s who controls space in himself. Kakashi who sends things into other places. Itachi/sasuke who uses Tsukoyumi which traps someone(mentally) in another dimension for 72 hours that goes incredibly slowly(seriously kakashi is super strong to have fought against something like that and come out of it.) so this is entirely possible.

Well thats my two cents and I hope you guys like it.<3
 

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interesting theories lord, as always.

i am inclined to agree esp on the part where madara uses his sharingan against sasuke in order to trigger itachi's second fail-safe. that is, besides pushing sasuke's MS to the limit (a motive which we already know so well already) for the reason that sasuke's development benefits madara in the long run (as he wanted sasuke to replace pein as his pawn to control gedo mazo for his moon-eye plan, as well as he would eventually get sasuke's eyes in the end to acquire the true power of the sharingan). indeed, madara is so characteristically cautious and shrewd so he would naturally of course think of 'purging' sasuke of itachi so that sasuke is all his. come to think of it. itachi also 'purged' sasuke of orochimaru earlier. must be an uchiha clan trait. so the uchiha massacre could be a purging as well. for what purpose, well, that is for another topic.

about danzo's 'nine lives': we are somewhat similar in thinking that it was basically a teleportation (space-time) jutsu but i never thought that it would have been a substitution jutsu as well, which is so cruel and evil indeed. imagine reserved bodies of root pawns summoned just in time so that they'll be the ones to get crushed to death instead of their leader danzo! such a freakin' waste of people's lives... really evil. that is why i am rather biased against this theory.

however, karin said it is not a bunshin nor is it a genjutsu that danzo is doing. so that makes your theory of substitution plausible.

however karin did not discount the possibility that danzo is using a space-time jutsu that summons alter egos of danzo by way of multiple sharingans. so we could be both correct in this.

so the only curious thing is how is danzo able to have multiple bodies that die as real people?

i am still inclined that danzo's is a multiple-sharingan genjutsu with stealth mode capabilities.

i still doubt whether danzo is really not using a highly-specialized genjutsu to alter how people perceive him without necessarily messing up his enemies' chakra system. we somehow saw this ability already in danzo being able to successfully mind-control mifune. it was undetectable, if only, the kiri byakugan stealer did not recognize it was shisui's sharingan. so it is a genjutsu that is somewhat evolved so as to have a stealth mode. that is perhaps the legend behind shisui. being feared as one of the strongest sharingan users in uchiha history... he was shishui of the mirage. the anime translators said, shisui of the teleportation. wait a minute, mirage and teleportation? so shisui is using space-time jutsu? interesting.

now going back to the topic of adding STEALTH mode to 'ordinary' jutsus is ingenious and actually very useful in battle. every shrewd ninja would have thought of this. and that is root philosophy and expertise by the way -- to become so undetected that people would think they were not there in the first place.

moreover, danzo's jutsu may not be too unrelated or different from madara's space-time jutsu wherein he disappears and appears out of nowhere, or appears to go underground (just when he placed deidara's mines on the ground in the fight against sasuke, and when he fought against torune and fuu). but most of us are thinking that this is an MS jutsu just as Kakashi's space-time jutsu was an MS jutsu.

well, that is still uncertain. we don't know if madara is really/actually using MS when he does his space-time jutsu. moreover, disappearing into the ground doesn't seem like he sucked the ground into his eye. we see zetsu doing this also, he appears and disappears into the ground or trees. so probably madara and zetsu share this ability which is not MS type. danzo doesn't seem like he is sucking himself out of danger and reappearing somewhere else. so danzo's space-time jutsu is not necessarily an MS jutsu and most probably is not an MS jutsu.

i also noticed that the blood of danzo that gets splattered unto sasuke's face and everywhere else mysteriously disappears also just as danzo reappears from being crushed or decapitated. we don't see corpses of danzo lying around. so that's also why i think it is a special bunshin jutsu that danzo is using. well of course, a substitution jutsu is the only better alternative (as lord has suggested).

danzo's death jutsu is a bunshin that appears to die. another bunshin gets summoned automatically using a space-time jutsu as one bunshin gets killed. in this way, danzo is saving energy from having too many bunshins active at the same time. actually he could only afford to have one fully-powered bunshin at a time, so he saves on power and no 'doubling' or dividing chakras is discernible.

now we might realize that this is so similar to naruto's strategy when he fought pein. well, most probably. but i don't think danzo has sage mode powers like naruto. besides, naruto's strategy of summoning sage tech bunshins does not require sage tech; it is actually a simple summoning jutsu.

so my theory is basically relying on some previously known jutsus and ninja science that have been established so far in narutoverse only that danzo (and perhaps with the help of orochimaru) were able to tweak and develop. ADD the ingenious STEALTH mode.lol.

but my theory fails if indeed danzo's jutsu really is wholly and totally new... and defies or perfects ninja science as we know it.

if that REALLY is the case, then danzo could REALLY be the ultimate ninja incarnate. whew!

madara would really want to recruit him. XD
 
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for the meantime see the interesting discussion i'm having with NB forumers outside of our FC. you'd be entertained -- or pissed; nonetheless, you'd sure have your own reactions to the posts.



so what have you been up to? how's the new year so far? XD
 
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