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Ripple Hole
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I was talking about the part he addressed, and another moment
where it was said Naruto and Kurama's chakra mixed a bit and
caused problems.
The Demon Hawk
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I already said CM is not SM, but both involve Senjutsu chakra. Can't you read properly?
For my take on this, just read shadowcb's post below. He summed it up perfectly, and it comes to terms with my point of view.
That's like saying a person cannot drive a motorcycle, that alone suffice to say he can't learn it. Does it not sound absolutely dumb, Fapsula?
Pre-SM Naruto also couldn't absorb natural energy. So did that mean he couldn't learn SM?
Learning to absorb natural energy is what Sage Mode is. Of course, you can't absorb natural energy so that's precisely why you have to learn it.
I didn't say it was weak. It was a tool to make Ashura's reincarnations strong like Indra's reincarnations. Shaz said SM is not for the weak (he meant Indra's reincarnations are weaker than Ashura's reincarnations), I said it is for the comparatively weak Ashura's reincarnations to be on par with the naturally stronger Indra's reincarnations.
Why do you Naruto fans always have to give senseless analogies? Sharingan is naturally inherited. It's not determinable for the weak or strong.
EMS is also a natural genetic tendency of Uchihas to enhance their power using siblings eyes while SM is the natural tendency of Senjus to enhance their power using natural energy. Much the similar upgrades.
Yeah, I agree. Hashirama solos. Stronger people can also learn SM.
Sure he can. It's viable and possible.
Yes, SM =/= CM. But Sasuke's mastery of CM has nothing to do with him learning Sage Mode. It just shows how well Sasuke can manage Senjutsu chakra, and gives a hint of his potency in Senjutsu learning. Sasuke could learn SM even if he never had CM.
Yes, that's pretty accurate.
Yes, the reason Madara could use Sage Mode without learning how to absorb natural energy is because of Hashi's face on his chest. But that doesn't mean he can't use Sage Mode without Hashi's face, it only means Madara doesn't have to learn to absorb natural energy himself to use Sage Mode. He can use Sage Mode without Hashi's face on his chest, but for that he had to learn how to absorb natural energy himself.
You people actually misconceived my statement. I didn't mean SM was for weak shinobis. I meant that SM was for relatively weaker Ashura's reincarnations to come on par with Indra's reincarnations, who were naturally stronger due to bloodline traits (Sharingan).
But still no match for Sasuke. That's what I meant. Naruto is naturally relatively weaker than Sasuke, so he uses SM to be on par with the stronger Sasuke. I'm not saying it's unfair, I'm just showing its position.
I agree. That is worthy of pity and sympathy.
I agree with that as well. Naruto could've progressed better if it weren't for 9 Tails, but still not on Sasuke's level.
Yes, it was made for the strong (Ashura's reincarnations) because weak people can't handle it. But it was also made to put the strong (Ashura's reincarnations) on par with the stronger (Indra's reincarnations). Get what I mean?
I agree about the capacity. Only physically potent shinobis can master SM considering the kind of power it is.
That's right. But Sasuke didn't get CM for that reason. He just got CM for Orochimaru to have control over him, but that didn't work out so easily because of Sasuke's overpowering chakra resisted that and Sasuke mastered CM transformations.
If by bringing this point up, you're trying to imply that Sasuke can't learn SM, then you're wrong and I disagree with this.
I didn't mean SM was made for weak ninjas. I meant that SM was for relatively weaker Ashura's reincarnations to come on par with Indra's reincarnations, who were naturally stronger. You wouldn't have been aggressive if you understood the context and implication.
And BTW, enormous amount of chakra =/= strong, dumbass.
You can't absorb natural energy, that's why you learn to absorb it, genius. SM is learning to absorb natural energy.
Juugo had to attach himself because Sasuke didn't learn to absorb natural energy, doesn't mean he can't absorb it if he actually learns to do it.
That's right. But Sasuke can dilutely extend his reach to the power of the body, while Naruto can't do vice versa.
No.
Let me just explain it to you Naruto fanboys. I'll reframe the sentence so my implication becomes clearer. "Sage Mode is made for the relatively weak". Now is that alright? It means Sage Mode is made for the strong Ashura's reincarnations to come on par with the stronger Indra's reincarnations (bar Hashirama and Madara).
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super michael
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I believe that chapter is after Orochimaru gave Naruto the seal, but before Orochimaru placed the seal no one mentioned Naruto poor chakra control.
Lets not forget that Kakashi didn't know Naruto had Orochimaru seal at the time when Kakashi made that sta
Ripple Hole
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Naruto can go digging up some graves for sharingan/rennigan/foddergan,
and wield it extremely well due to having Hago's chakra, and a strong body with lots
of stamina.:flakez:
and wield it extremely well due to having Hago's chakra, and a strong body with lots
of stamina.:flakez:
The Demon Hawk
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He'll have to "borrow/steal" for that. Sasuke can dilutely extend his reach without borrowing/stealing.
Ripple Hole
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super michael
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Its natural for Uchiha to have Sharingan, gain MS and gain EMS. It is not natural for any other clan to gain Sharingan, well apart from Ootsutsuki.
Does that make Kakashi having Sharingan borrowed, yes it does.
Ripple Hole
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It's unnatural for Uchiha to have sharingan in the first place.
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medical related or not.
MS was also considered a rarity, it's needless to say unnatural.
Are you really gonna devolve what I said into a statement of
borrowed/stolen powers while the word Uchiha is appearing?
A vast amount of things they have are results from powers given
due to others, their main way of improving is directly gaining powers/abilities
from others.
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A bloodline kkg is not unnatural; the sharingan only appeared in the Uchiha clan, it's more natural for them
Beside they have have to develope it just like any kkg
Ripple Hole
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The two are unnatural, it doesn't matter if it has to be developed and trained with.
Why is the process of something always used to justify character abilities "Oh it's risky for
him to use it, therefore it's fair" "Oh he suffered all his life because of it."
Idgaf, it's unnatural, and being unnatural is unrelated to whether someone can or cannot
use it well. This isn't even what my reply was based on, why are the cherry pickers now
appearing when I mention Naruto has the capabilities to get doujutsu?
super michael
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I see what you mean, I always thought Kakashi was talking about what he saw from Naruto in the Chuunin exams when Naruto battled Kiba, but if Kakashi was talking about Naruto from beginning to Naruto Defeated Kiba, then your right Naruto always had Poor chakra control. If Kakashi was only talking about the Kiba fight then I am right.
But I am leaning more your right for now, I have to check the chapters. I won't check it now since I am sleepy.
Uchiha has the special chakra which unlocks the Sharingan, so its within their bloodline, just like how Hyuga has Byakugan, Hashirama has Mokuton,Kimimaro has bone jutsu, its natural for them. Lets not forget Naruto has a KKG, high vitality and chakra and probably strong body.
Uchiha are the only ones to naturally have Sharingan, so only Uchiha is natural to transplant to gain EMS. Its within the Uchiha DNA to gain EMS. If other clans got Sharingan, then that be natural for them, but Uchiha are the only known clan that can be born with Sharingan.
Ripple Hole
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U ---> that's what makes it unnatural.
It doesn't matter if a transplant improves a person, a transplant isn't natural.
MS itself isn't natural, why would something that builds onto it be natural?
Why does EMS get special treatment and make it natural for eye transplants, though exclusive to the Uchiha?
-Answer- Because something in their genes allow for it to happen, but it's surely
unnatural for someone with a blessed body to get someone else's eyes transplanted
into them because it was suitable to their body.
Mokuton isn't natural, bone justu isn't natural, Byakugan isn't natural, bloodline
isn't natural.
super michael
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What make Sharingan unnatural? if the Sharingan is unnatural doesn't that make every KKG unnatural also? I agree with you being dangerous or save doesn't make a different between natural or unnatural.
We got into the subject of natural and unnatural powers when you said Naruto could just pick up a sharingan from a dead Uchiha, which wouldn't be natural, since Uzumaki don't have the DNA for Sharingan.
Ripple Hole
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It's not natural to dig up a grave, and take an eye from a dead person in the first place.:|
