Chakra control: Explaining why Sakura was/is superior in this aspect.

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The moment you said "Sakura would be on par with EMS Sasuke and BM Naruto" You lost all credibility and were reduced to a Sakura wanker.
So because I said she will be on par I lost credibility? Lol, wouldn't have expected anything less. Nowadays, because one expresses its believes it means that he/she is a wanker.
The manga isn't even done, so until then, it's a thing you cannot determine. I expressed my future believes. Which anytime can be proven wrong by the end of the manga, of course, but because I have expressed the said belief does it mean that I am wrong to believe that she will be on par? Since when? If it;s going to be like that, it's going to be, if not, it was my wrong on thinking it, but that doesn't make me a wanker. It makes me a person who based on manga facts, expect some events. That's all that is.
People always mix up chakra transformation and chakra control. They are related but different skill set. Naruto has honed chakra transformations, his techniques revolve around them the same with sakura, she mastered chakra control and her specialty and techniques rely on it.
That's pretty much the thing. They have some things in common, but at the same time, there are differences here and there.

Look, guys, I hate Sakura because her character is bad, and she's a horrible trope. Kishi has done nothing but prove he's a little bit sexist with Sakura's character.

This here is sound logic and manga fact. Yeah, she used old manga pages, but everything is consistent.

However, I do think she is underestimating Naruto's current abilities, and I wouldn't say "at best he's on par." I'd say that's right in the middle. At best, Naruto is much better than Sakura, but he's more likely on par. At worst, Sakura is a little better than him.

Stop hating blindly, even if the character is worth hating. Because, while the OP might be a Sakura fan, I see no real bias here, and I've pointed out what I disagree with.
Hmm, I could say we agree on some things. The rest, I wish not to comment since it's another deal.
 
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So because I said she will be on par I lost credibility? Lol, wouldn't have expected anything less. Nowadays, because one expresses its believes it means that he/she is a wanker.
The manga isn't even done, so until then, it's a thing you cannot determine. I expressed my future believes. Which anytime can be proven wrong by the end of the manga, of course, but because I have expressed the said belief does it mean that I am wrong to believe that she will be on par? Since when? If it;s going to be like that, it's going to be, if not, it was my wrong on thinking it, but that doesn't make me a wanker. It makes me a person who based on manga facts, expect some events. That's all that is.
You basically just said "Any thing I have have posted or will post regarding Sakura and her abilities is complete bullshit until manga says otherwise"

Which reinforces What clear minded individual like me has been saying.

So thanks for proving my point.
 
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You basically just said "Any thing I have have posted or will post regarding Sakura and her abilities is complete bullshit until manga says otherwise"

Which reinforces What clear minded individual like me has been saying.

So thanks for proving my point.
You love to take things out of context, don't you?
 

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I see what you're trying to do but bringing up part 1 or early Shinpuuden Sakura and comparing her skill to Current BSM Naruto is laughable U_U

Naruto mastered "Perfect Sage Mode" then obtained the "Bijju Mode" and then combined them. That's like the highest level there is. Even greats like Jiraya, Oro couldn't achieve perfect SM. Kabuto who Tsunade said was better than her was able to obtain SM but had to go through many modifications on his body.

Like it or not but Sakura only "was" better, she's nowhere near Naruto at this point. Heck she hasn't even surpassed Tsunade.
 

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That's pretty much the thing. They have some things in common, but at the same time, there are differences here and there.
actually no they're the same thing transformation as to do with creating ninjutsu which have to mould and manipulate chakra which is chakra control. look under chakra control if you dont believe.
 

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I understood this before for some extent but can't explain way you did ( i understand first but explain in simple way ) naruto can control large amount of chakra by learning through experience thus improve his chakra control . sakura have a very good chakra control she can use her chakra with right amount from word go .
 

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Theories that, surprise, have came true. But oh well, suit yourself.
Look, if you don't have anything more to say, let's just agree to disagree, ne?
I don't like to waste time and I suppose you don't either. :)
So she got the seal. A lot of people including me predicted or suspected that she would.

It doesn't mean she has the best chakara control and will develops slug sage mode ( Which the manga has shown no prove that it exists in the first place.) And furthermore to even be able use sage mode you must already have naturally high chakara capacity. You can't save up for three years and expect to meet that requirement.

And it's not a waste of time for me If I make my point.
 
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You can't cure denial. These guys don't want to lose their 'cool points' by saying sakura is actually better than someone at something.

Anyway, good thread. Though it should be obvious, it isn't, and this thread won't change the stubborn's minds. They've already ingrained in their mind that sakura is chunnin/low jounin at best and she can't compete with naruto, sasuke or even tsunade, for that matter, at all.
 

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You can't cure denial. These guys don't want to lose their 'cool points' by saying sakura is actually better than someone at something.

Anyway, good thread. Though it should be obvious, it isn't, and this thread won't change the stubborn's minds. They've already ingrained in their mind that sakura is chunnin/low jounin at best and she can't compete with naruto, sasuke or even tsunade, for that matter, at all.
Being logical and being stubborn are two different things.
 

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You act as if Sakura is perfect in chakra control. Yes she can use the yin seal. Yes she was taught to focus chakra into her hands by tsunade. Yes Kakashi praises her for chakra control. But she's not perfect.

A lot of the stuff you bring up is chakra control feats from part 1, of walking on trees. This honestly does show chakra control ability, but Naruto practice and has surpasssed Sakura in chakra control through his training. Also notice how Kakashi says she is better at chakra control "right now". That doesn't mean it's not able to change, it isn't set in stone.

You point out that picture of Tsunade saying you need to have every aspect of chakra control refined to perfection, yet somehow Sakura can't do a direct chakra transfer? Tsunade can. Naruto can. Her knowing the yin seal and not direct chakra transfer (when she studied under Tsunade for the whole of the timeskip) really shows how hard direct chakra transfer must be. And Naruto gave that chakra out to all the ninjas in the alliance. Naruto's also able to transfer chakra unconciously through a link (as shown when he does so to shikamaru). This is the same sort of thing Sakura does with katsuyu, except naruto can do both the remote and direct version. Since she can't do this technique that tsunade and Naruto can, it shows that Sakura isn't as skilled as Naruto at learning techniques, even ones requiring precise chakra control. It also shows her chakra control isn't perfect, like Tsunade said. Also who is to say transforming chakra isn't chakra control? If you can't transform your chakra to meet someone elses needs, you obviously can't control it well enough to do so.

Naruto also learned the direct chakra transfer version on the battlefield when he needed to, when Sakura needed to save Shikamaru she wasn't able to learn it like naruto was. Really shows the skill Naruto has really.

You also bring up the TBB. Naruto is the first person ever to hold a TBB in the palm of his hand, and is essentially developing the technique. He clearly says he learns from experience, which is one reason why he masters is it on the battelfield (another reason is because the kyuubi becomes friendly, and doesn't restrict him at all anymore). After the kyuubi becomes friendly and stops disturbing his chakra (however large or small that disturbance may be) it definitely allows him for better chakra control.

I would also like to bring up the rasengan. Tsunade believed that only Minato and Jaraiya could even learn the rasengan. That's how hard the technique is to learn. Yet Naruto was able to perform rasengan in about 1 months time of training. Jaraiya also makes a specific remark to how Naruto burned his hand by concentrating so much chakra into one spot (which happens to be about the size of the yin seal, and shows precise chakra control). This shows that if Naruto wanted to learn the yin seal, and Tsunade was willing to teach him, he probably could. It also shows the chakra control required to perfect rasengan since Tsunade thought only two people could possibly learn it. Kakashi also later states that Rasengan is the pinnacle of spatial chakra control. Naruto mastered the most powerful spatial chakra control technique, while a genin (damn what a chakra control beast).

Later Naruto adds Nature transformation to the rasengan. Which is another form of chakra control. Yes he does it a quicker way by using the large amount of chakra he has, but Kakashi clearly states that Naruto was progressing faster than he thought possible. Naruto gets so good at using his chakra nature of wind he is able to cut a waterfall.

Lets also bring sage mode into account here. In order to make chakra your physical and spiritual energy into chakra. In order to make chakra as a sage your balance between Natural, spiritual, and physical energy must be almost perfect. Naruto however perfects the sagemode technique, unlike jaraiya. Naruto masters sage mode in a matter of days (time isn't exactly clear, but it is rather short). Then he learned to apply sage mode chakra to his techniques which is a form of chakra control, later on in the war he found out he could apply it to nearly all of his techniques. Learning sagemode and perfecting it in itself shows a clear control over chakra, yes chakra. Not just natural energy, but chakra. I say chakra because Sage mode chakra is special, another person can not just be handed sage mode chakra, as they will turn into a frog (shown when pein turns into a stone frog). This shows you must be controlling natural chakra near perfectly in order to perform sage mode (and Naruto learned it so fast too)

Naruto also quite litterally controls his chakra in bm or any of his other kyuubi chakra modes to a great extente. He controls it so precisely he is able to stack the tip of a pyramid on top of the tip of another pyramid, which is pretty damned impressive. Yes sakura doesn't have the ability to do this because she doesn't have as much chakra as Naruto, but I doubt she would learn as quickly as Naruto did. Naruto is shown to be able to be able to learn extremely advanced techniques really quickly, while we haven't seen Sakura display the same feat.

Naruto is better than Sakura in chakra control now, he has been growing over the years and has grown and surpassed her from when Kakashi first said she was the best.

Regardless, the more I think about it The juubito is still the best person at chakra controlling we have seen. Juubito solos.

Edit: If you need pics for anything regarding my post, just ask I will gladly provide.
 
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Being logical and being stubborn are two different things.
I've read some of the posts in this thread. You're extremely illogical. In fact, you seem like one of those blind/biased/stubborn people who instantly chock up "xxxxx wanker" or "xxxxx is overrated" if anything disagrees with your view. The manga has stated as fact that sakura has the greatest chakra contorl out the 3. Naruto's SM chakra balancing isn't the same as chakra control. Nor is chakra transfer entirely the same as chakra control. In fact, if you'd even read Chatte's OP you'd have somewhat of an idea. Anyway, not like you'll remotely change your mind or consider the possibility of any such things.
You already called chatte a wanker for stating "In the future sakura will possibly be equal to Naruto and sasuke". Good job showing your bias... It made you lose all credibility.
 

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You can't cure denial. These guys don't want to lose their 'cool points' by saying sakura is actually better than someone at something.

Anyway, good thread. Though it should be obvious, it isn't, and this thread won't change the stubborn's minds. They've already ingrained in their mind that sakura is chunnin/low jounin at best and she can't compete with naruto, sasuke or even tsunade, for that matter, at all.
lol the irony. good boy your words are taken with a grain of salt everyone here knows you're a naruto hater so noone cares what you have to say.
 
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I've read some of the posts in this thread. You're extremely illogical. In fact, you seem like one of those blind/biased/stubborn people who instantly chock up "xxxxx wanker" or "xxxxx is overrated" if anything disagrees with your view. The manga has stated as fact that sakura has the greatest chakra contorl out the 3. Naruto's SM chakra balancing isn't the same as chakra control. Nor is chakra transfer entirely the same as chakra control. In fact, if you'd even read Chatte's OP you'd have somewhat of an idea. Anyway, not like you'll remotely change your mind or consider the possibility of any such things.
You already called chatte a wanker for stating "In the future sakura will possibly be equal to Naruto and sasuke". Good job showing your bias... It made you lose all credibility.
what is it then? do you even read some of the things you type ?
 

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Lol I love how they twist manga facts to go against everything you said, notice how Sakura technically did the same thing Naruto did providing chakra to the alliance + healing and notice how she still have an abundance of chakra left. I think that is due to chakra control too.

Nice thread as always
 
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She stated that Naruto got better at chakra control. In fact, she also stated that you should say naruto's chakra control is now on par with sakura, not greater. But, here you are, trying to bash her because she entertains the idea sakura is on par with naruto. If she said sakura was stronger(strength wise) than naruto, you'd fine some excuse why naruto can punch far harder than her. It even amazes me more that you're here trying to disregard the basics of the manga simply because they were stated at the beginning. Do you want kishimoto to reiterate everything he stated from there on.

I forgot some words with that SM thing. It was supposed to have an entirely in there. The scans are in the OP of what chakra control fully is. SM is augementing natural energy with one's own chakra. It is the process of becoming one with nature and balancing one's energy. In fact, SM comes into place by slowly gathering natural energy and stopping at the right moment so that you didn't gather too little or too much (do I need to get the scans of fukasaku stating this, too?). It's not the same as what chakra control fully is. Entering SM is simply balancing your chakra, sure it probably takes some chakra control to meet the right quota so that you don't mess up but it doesn't fulfill the full criteria of chakra control. What you do after you enter SM determines your chakra control, entering SM on it's own doesn't mean you're instantly godly at chakra control.

And, again, someone posts something in disagreement of your opinion and you go off on a rant. Do you want to prove my point even more and lose even more credibility? no wonder you're in detention.

Hmmm, where should I begin to take this one apart?

Well again I suppose we'll start with the the large part. You literally destroyed your argument when you contradicted what you and Chatter both said earlier about chakara control.

And I don't go off in rants every time someone disagree with me. For the most part we have a well though out discussion and reach a conclusion together based the evidence.

And my credibility remains in tact simply because neither em I wrong nor have I over estimated nor underestimated Sakura. ( Which this thread is about as you seem to forget.)

And the reason I em in detention is a different matter entirely.

So again put your cone on and head back to your corner. IF you're not ready to be mature then you can't join the rest of us.

Chatte was right, lmao. You take things completely out of context to suit your tailored arguments. Wow. No wonder she stopped replying. I'll follow her lead.

EDIT: let me just derail your following statements with one of mine. Any response you make, just come back and read this;

Naruto still needs extra hands to make a rasengan/rasenshuriken. The which requires insane chakra control. Even jiraiya, kakashi and minato can do a rasengan with 1 hand. GG.
You seem to forget the he was able to when he entered sage mode against Juubito. He simply used sage mode to perfect it. Furthermore Naruto took the based Rasengan and elevated it to new heights with the combination of an element. Which requires a great deal of chakara control.

Something that Minato, Kakashi nor Jiraiya were able to do.

Just give it up Okami. You can't beat Chatte XD
I've already destroyed so many of these thread already. This is just another one.

I will admit though, unlike most people who worship a character she actually brings in some manga evidence. (Though she might distort it or not consider the ever evolving process of a manga.)
 
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Chatte was right, lmao. You take things completely out of context to suit your tailored arguments. Wow. No wonder she stopped replying. I'll follow her lead.

EDIT: let me just derail your following statements with one of mine. Any response you make, just come back and read this;

Naruto still needs extra hands to make a rasengan/rasenshuriken. The which requires insane chakra control. Even jiraiya, kakashi and minato can do a rasengan with 1 hand. GG.
neither minato,jiraiya or kakashi could have combine both nature and shape transformation thou:rolleyes:.
 
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