[Discussion] Can Whitebeard beat Mihawk?

[Forbidden Tale]

Return with some answers on mine discussions in the past and on some discussion that are ongoing.

Kaido is not confirmed strongest

Kaido's title is "最強の生物", romaji: "saikyō no seibutsu"

saikyō means strongest
seibutsu could mean four things creature, living things, object at rest and still life.

Creature and Living things can be used in Kaido's title, while other to does not make sense.

Kaido can either be "Strongest Creature" or "Strongest Living Thing".

1. What is Creature?

Creature is often used as a synonym for animal.

The word "animal" comes from the Latin animalis, meaning having breath, having soul or living being.[1] In everyday non-scientific usage the word excludes humans – that is, "animal" is often used to refer only to non-human members of the kingdom Animalia;

Now there are two possibilites:

- Kaido is strongest Zoan Fruit user (cosidering Zoan are creature based)
- Kaido comes from different species in One Piece (Giant, Fishman, Merfolk, Sky-people, Mink, Dwarf) which are still referred to creature (since they are not humans).

Both possibilities are strengtened by Nami's (one of most intelligent character in One Piece) comment when Law introduced Kaido that he is not even human. [

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2. What is Living Thing?

Living Thing includes animals, plants, fungi and the single-celled organisms known as bacteria.

See above what Animals are.

Have you ever referred to human as 'thing'?

Possibilities are same as above either Zoan user or some different species.

3. But Kaido's title was introduced in infobox?

Yes, it is. But not in the same way as Mihawk and WB's titles.

Mihawk infobox: "Strongest Swordsman"
WB's infobox: "Strongest Man"
Kaido's infobox: "people say that in 1vs1 he is unbeatable"

Big difference between these 3 are that first two just say that they are strongest, in the third, infobox say "people believe". People also believe Luffy is 8m tall giant.

Plus, we already had infobox with false information. [

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4. More why he isn't confirmed to be strongest out of all characters?

Whitebeard was called "Strongest Man".
In One Piece man refers to every species (Jinbe was referred to man), and more important Kaido was referred as 'man' [

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Which mean WB (strongest man) > Kaido (man)

5. Kaido got recently title strongest creature?

If Oda wanted Kaido to be confirmed strongest, he would gave him title "Strongest Man" after WB's death and not go with something like "strongest creature"

6. Is Kaido strongest?

I do not believe so, but it's possible. While, his title does not give the vibe that he is strongest out of all characters, it's entirely possible.

But there is also possibility that Dragon, Shanks, Linlin, Teach, Mihawk and Akainu are currently strongest.

Garp's statament about Yonko being the strongest pirates

Back in the Water 7 Saga, Garp stated that Yonkos are 4 strongest pirates.

But, not all translation refer to them as 4 strongest pirates. Some of them, say they are 4 strongest pirates in the New World. We know Mihawk is not in the New World and lives in his castle in Paradise.

Second, it's not clear are Shichibukai considered pirates.

Shichibukai are based on Privateers which is different term then Pirates.
In real world, while one is Privateer he is not considered Pirate.
If situation is same in One Piece, Dracule Mihawk was excluded for Garp's statament since during that time he was not pirate, but privateer.

Three Great Powers

One Piece's omake says:

四皇を止める力として、世界政府は海軍と王下七武海を従える。
The World Government has Marine and Shichibukai as forces to stop the Yonkou.

海軍 - 海上の治安を守る、世界政府機関のひとつ。敵は同じだが、王下七武海とは相容れない。
Marine - One of the World Government's organization that protects safety on the sea. Even though they have same enemy, they are not in friendly term with Shichibukai. (They don't work together.)

王下七武海 - 利益の一部を上納することで、世界政府から略奪を許されている。海賊への抑止力という意味もあり、その実力 も折り紙つきだ。
Shichibukai - By paying part of the profit, they are permitted to plunder by the World Government. This works as a restraint against the other pirates, and their ability is unquestioned.

四皇 - "偉大なる航路"後半の海にて、皇帝のごとき力を誇る海賊。頭は4人だが、その戦力は他の世界的勢力と並ぶ 。
Yonkou - Pirates that shows emperor-like power in the later half of the "Grandline." Even though there are only four of them, their power equals to the other world forces.

It's not HQ + Shichibukai = Yonko, it's HQ = Shichibukai = Yonko

If HQ + Shichibukai = Yonko, then WG wouldn't have two forces to stop Yonko.

Also, it was multiple time said that fall of one Shichibukai can take world into chaos. Why would fall of just one member destory balance since they would still have 6 Shichibukai and whole Marine HQ? It's obvious that three forces rival each other in strength.

And here it's confirmed that HQ = Shichibukai = Yonko. [

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[Punk Hazard]

All this information just to be wrong since humans are:

1. Living things

2. Part of the animal kingdom

3. Are creatures

And he narration saying "In a one on one, always bet on Kaido."

Kaido's title still applies.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

All this information just to be wrong since humans are:

1. Living things

2. Part of the animal kingdom

3. Are creatures

Law: He is strongest creature.
Nami: What!? He is not even human.

Again, creatures are animals.
Animals are members of animalia, from which humans are excluded.

And he narration saying "In a one on one, always bet on Kaido."

Kaido's title still applies.

Narrator says: "people say in one on one always bet on Kaido"

Again if Oda wanted to throw Kaido as strongest, he would use WB's title strongest man.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Law: He is strongest creature.
Nami: What!? He is not even human.

Again, creatures are animals.
Animals are members of animalia, from which humans are excluded.

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Kingdom: Animalia

"Creature" is a broader term than "human." That's why Nami responded the way she did.

Narrator says: "people say in one on one always bet on Kaido"

Again if Oda wanted to throw Kaido as strongest, he would use WB's title strongest man.

Nothing suggests this is false so far.

 

[LBeezy]

Kaku engaged Zoro with swordplay first, which is just as good as his Rokushiki.

Zoro pulled out all three sword to start fighting people more than once. It's not as uncommon as you think.

You're absolutely right.. It's not 100% never going to happen.. but I'm saying it is rare..

Has Zoro ever used Asura first though?

Also, it's not about using it the first time, it's the fact that it's the only thing he's used EVERY time, including against top tier fighters like Whitebeard and Akainu.

I see what you're saying, but still every time we've seen him use his sword, it has been for literally either one thing, or nothing at all.. we've never seen him go all out yet.

Gear 2, 3, and 4 are not fighting styles. They are enhancers. Luffy's fighting style remains the same regardless of which Gear he is using: Punch, kick, scratch, and claw. He's a brawler, and regardless of which Gear he is using, he fights the same way every time.

For Luffy, yes his gears enhance his fighting style (hand to hand combat) but no matter how you look at it, G4 is not the same as his base.. it's stronger.. and so far, he hasn't started off a fight using it. Neither has Doffy started a fight with his awakening.. or Zoro with Asura.. etc.. etc..

Shanks pulling out his sword first doesn't mean it's not his primary fighting style.

This is true. But it doesn't mean it is his primary fighting style either.. bottom line, is we don't have enough proof either way.

It just means that, like Luffy, he has ways to upgrade that style when the battle gets more serious and he's done gauging. With Luffy, it's the Gears, and with Shanks, it's more than likely Haki. Either way, it's still just one fighting style being upgraded, not switching to a new style of combat.


Except Akainu was the only time Shanks pulled out his sword as a response to what another person was doing. He drew his sword BEFORE Ace did anything to attack. He pulled out his sword BEFORE Whitebeard did anything to attack. He pulled out his sword BEFORE any of the Marines took on his challenge. So it's not like Shanks is going "Hmm a sword is the best thing to use here," using a sword is simply his primary choice. It's not a situation by situation basis, it's a choice he makes every time.

My memory isn't too great when it comes to the Ace scene.. but I thought Shanks at least knew that Ace had the MMnM? Even so.. I still think it's good writing from Oda to have a man with one arm at least use a sword(or any weapon really) for his first defense/offense.

With WB, if I remember correctly WB already had his hand on his bisento, even slamming it on the floor causing wind to blow, so for Shanks, it only makes sense to pull out his sword.. but this adds to my point in the sense of WB used his Bisento.. not a quake.. so him using only his weapon is obviously going to be weaker than using his weapon + anything else.

With Akainu's scene I already said everything above.. same stuff applies..

This has absolutely nothing to do with Shanks vs Mihawk because Whitebeard isn't a swordsman, and this doesn't match your point.

My main point is not for Shanks only.. it's that any swordsman who has other means of fighting can beat Mihawk if they go all out.. if it's only swordsmanship however, then I understand Mihawk coming out on top. Because so far, that's all that his title guarantees him, swordsmanship..

Another reason this fails is because WB's primary style of fighting is releasing Quakes towards his enemies. He does so by infusing his Quakes into his fists or Bisento. He barely ever punches normally or uses his Bisento to actually cut a person.

but what's stronger/better? Only using his bisento?

Or using his bisento + DF or any other power?

A person's primary style of fighting is going to be what they are capable of delivering their max output with. Meaning that if Shanks has a martial art, if his primary style of fighting is his sword, his martial art won't be as good as his swordplay because the latter is PRIMARY. It's what he does and uses the most. Just like Sanji's kicks are his primary fighting style, so they're better than his ability to use knives/swords.

I know what point you're trying to make, and it's wrong.

Idk if you understand the point I'm trying to make to you.. cause I'm right. lol

lmfaoo dawg he has one arm. He might have been a nitoryu wielder before he lost his arm.

Not to mention that doesn't even follow any logic, him having swords as his jolly roger automatically means the guy lives breathes, and bleeds swords.The number doesn't matter. That is what represents Shanks, that is what he chose to represent him. Remember pirate flags are not toys

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Lmao dawg... that gif is such a good part of the story man..

Oh and okay.. so for the SH's jolly roger, I know where the Strawhat comes in and what it represents, but what do the two cross bones represent? Where is Luffy's two bones that he "lives, breathes, and bleeds"? This was before Brook joined the crew too, so don't try to be a wise guy.. lol

 

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"Creature" is a broader term than "human." That's why Nami responded the way she did.

I am not going against "Humans aren't creature". Science says they are, BUT non-science say they aren't.

How many times did you called your parent, sibling, cousin, friend creature? Most likely not even once.

I suppose someone could just say Oda use science fact. But that would be wrong.. Why?

We know WB was called "Strongest Man". As I have said earlier man do referr to other species that are not humans (fishmen, minks, merfolks, giants etc) and we know 'man' also reffer to Kaido, considering Law and narrator said he is man.

We know that Whitebeard was stronger than Kaido pre timeskip, by title (Kaido is man, while WB is Strongest).... now we have two possibilities:

1) Kaido was holder of the title "Strongest Creature" at that time,
2) Kaido wasn't holder of the title "Strongest Creature" at that time.

If Kaido was holder of the title "Strongest Creature" then that without a doubt mean there could possibile exist characters stronger than him (Mihawk, other Yonkos, Dragon, Akainu) since Whitebeard was stronget than him.

If Kaido wasn't holder of the "Strongest Creature" title at that time, then Whitebeard wasn't holder of the "Strongest Creature" pre time-skip? And why would Kaido get title "Strongest Creature" and not "Strongest Man" after WB's death?

By all that "Strongest Man" is superior to "Strongest Creature" and considering Creature in non-science speech does not include humans, would mean that Oda used non-science terms over science terms.

Nothing suggests this is false so far.

I am acutally more to Kaido truly be "Strongest Creature" then him not be (while there is possibility him not being), but I am agruing against his hype, not his strength.

If anything, Mihawk was stated to be "Strongest Swordsman", while Kaido "is said to be Strongest Creature".

In first it's clear as day, while in other it's not confirmed otherwise.

While I am not fond of that, it's possible that Kaido is currently strongest, but it's also possible that some other characters are strongest.

 

[ToshiZO]

You're absolutely right.. It's not 100% never going to happen.. but I'm saying it is rare..

Has Zoro ever used Asura first though?



I see what you're saying, but still every time we've seen him use his sword, it has been for literally either one thing, or nothing at all.. we've never seen him go all out yet.




For Luffy, yes his gears enhance his fighting style (hand to hand combat) but no matter how you look at it, G4 is not the same as his base.. it's stronger.. and so far, he hasn't started off a fight using it. Neither has Doffy started a fight with his awakening.. or Zoro with Asura.. etc.. etc..



This is true. But it doesn't mean it is his primary fighting style either.. bottom line, is we don't have enough proof either way.




My memory isn't too great when it comes to the Ace scene.. but I thought Shanks at least knew that Ace had the MMnM? Even so.. I still think it's good writing from Oda to have a man with one arm at least use a sword(or any weapon really) for his first defense/offense.

With WB, if I remember correctly WB already had his hand on his bisento, even slamming it on the floor causing wind to blow, so for Shanks, it only makes sense to pull out his sword.. but this adds to my point in the sense of WB used his Bisento.. not a quake.. so him using only his weapon is obviously going to be weaker than using his weapon + anything else.

With Akainu's scene I already said everything above.. same stuff applies..




My main point is not for Shanks only.. it's that any swordsman who has other means of fighting can beat Mihawk if they go all out.. if it's only swordsmanship however, then I understand Mihawk coming out on top. Because so far, that's all that his title guarantees him, swordsmanship..



but what's stronger/better? Only using his bisento?

Or using his bisento + DF or any other power?




Idk if you understand the point I'm trying to make to you.. cause I'm right. lol





Lmao dawg... that gif is such a good part of the story man..

Oh and okay.. so for the SH's jolly roger, I know where the Strawhat comes in and what it represents, but what do the two cross bones represent? Where is Luffy's two bones that he "lives, breathes, and bleeds"? This was before Brook joined the crew too, so don't try to be a wise guy.. lol

LMFAO the bones are standard for a flag, thats like saying why is there a skull. The fact that Shanks replaced the bones with swords is what matters.

 

[Punk Hazard]

For Luffy, yes his gears enhance his fighting style (hand to hand combat) but no matter how you look at it, G4 is not the same as his base.. it's stronger.. and so far, he hasn't started off a fight using it. Neither has Doffy started a fight with his awakening.. or Zoro with Asura.. etc.. etc..

But we have seen Luffy start with his fighting style each time. It's the same style throughout the fight, he simply uses an enhancer to upgrade it.

The same logic can apply to Shanks. The same fighting style all throughout, being swordplay, and he just enhances it through his Haki.

Btw, every Admiral, Marco, Jozu, Crocodile, Enel, Moriah, Ace, Teach and Whitebeard all used their main fighting styles right off the bat in Marineford/Banaro Island. Same with Magellan in Impel Down.

This is true. But it doesn't mean it is his primary fighting style either.. bottom line, is we don't have enough proof either way.

False. The fact that every confrontation Shanks has been in has prompted him to pull his sword is proof that it's his primary fighting style. Until something else in the manga retcons or otherwise trumps that, that is what remains fact. Nothing has suggested Shanks fights with more than swordplay.

My memory isn't too great when it comes to the Ace scene.. but I thought Shanks at least knew that Ace had the MMnM? Even so.. I still think it's good writing from Oda to have a man with one arm at least use a sword(or any weapon really) for his first defense/offense.

Nothing indicates that he did. You're reaching with this, considering how many fighters fight without weapons just fine.

With WB, if I remember correctly WB already had his hand on his bisento, even slamming it on the floor causing wind to blow, so for Shanks, it only makes sense to pull out his sword.. but this adds to my point in the sense of WB used his Bisento.. not a quake.. so him using only his weapon is obviously going to be weaker than using his weapon + anything else.

Wrong. Whitebeard just threw the sake bottle, Shanks finished his cup, and then he stood up and pulled out his sword. THEN WB grabbed his bisento. That wind blowing thing was part of the filler in WB vs Akainu.

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WB using a Quake with his Bisento would more than likely just be the equivalent of Shanks using his Haki with his sword or flying slashes.

With Akainu's scene I already said everything above.. same stuff applies..

You make no sense. You say that Shanks' usage of his sword is better for stuff like magma and you even say sharp things because he only has one arm. Meaning that Shanks' sword is a better option than whatever other fictitious and hypothetical means of combat you think he has hidden in his sleeve at facing swords, magma, and bisentos...that would make his other means of combat inferior to his swordplay, which just feeds to my point.

My main point is not for Shanks only.. it's that any swordsman who has other means of fighting can beat Mihawk if they go all out.. if it's only swordsmanship however, then I understand Mihawk coming out on top. Because so far, that's all that his title guarantees him, swordsmanship..

No they can't because if they're a swordsman, it means that's their primary means of fighting. Meaning that any other means of fighting at best will be equal to their swordplay. Meaning if their swordplay isn't good enough for Mihawk, nothing else they have will be good enough for Mihawk either. If they do have something good enough for Mihawk, then they won't be swordsman because that would mean swordplay isn't a primary aspect of their strength, it's a secondary aspect. This, so far, has never been shown to apply to Shanks.

but what's stronger/better? Only using his bisento?

Or using his bisento + DF or any other power?

Has nothing to do with Shanks vs Mihawk or Mihawk vs any swordsman.

In the case of Mihawk vs a swordsman, Mihawk's max output>theirs, and that includes them enhancing their swordplay with DFs, Haki, diamonds, poisons, bombs and holy water.

 

[chopstickchakra]

No they can't because if they're a swordsman, it means that's their primary means of fighting. Meaning that any other means of fighting at best will be equal to their swordplay. Meaning if their swordplay isn't good enough for Mihawk, nothing else they have will be good enough for Mihawk either. If they do have something good enough for Mihawk, then they won't be swordsman because that would mean swordplay isn't a primary aspect of their strength, it's a secondary aspect. This, so far, has never been shown to apply to Shanks.

That's just not true. Just because you're equally good at two things doesn't mean they'll perform at equal levels against an obstacle. If I'm as good at punching as I am climbing I'll get better results trying to climb a brick wall then punch my way through. If I'm equally good at throwing punches and kicks one can do better than the other based on the opponents abilities. They could perform equally you are right that they could but that's not the only outcome as you're trying to pass off as fact.

To the other point even if they had an auxiliary power stronger than their sword but still for whatever used their sword first and foremost they'd still be a swordsman. If I'm great with a sword but Amazing with a gun and don't use my gun but in the rarest of occasions and instead fight with my sword until the most dire of situations where I need my best then I would be seen as a swordsman because that would be my primary fighting method.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Shanks' portrayal places him primarily as being a swordsman.

When Shanks thought Ace came to fight him, he grabbed his sword.

When Shanks and Whitebeard's conversation went south, Shanks stood up and pulled out his sword BEFORE Whitebeard made any movement for battle.

When Shanks blocked Akainu's punch, he did so with a sword.

When Shanks declared he and his crew were willing to fight, he pulled out his sword.

When Shanks was a kid on Roger's ship during battle, he was shown reaching for or using his sword.
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You forgot the most important. "You and Mihawk used to seek each other out on many occasions". <=== Why the heck would Shanks seek out a swordsman IF HE IS NOT ONE :sdo:

 

[LBeezy]

You forgot the most important. "You and Mihawk used to seek each other out on many occasions". <=== Why the heck would Shanks seek out a swordsman IF HE IS NOT ONE :sdo:

Think about how epic it is, to be like "yo I'm gonna go duel a friend/rival of mine who is the WSS, in a fight only based on swordsmanship, to have fun while I test my own skills and become better at it.."

That is in no way anything like a fight to the death, where Shanks can go all out with Haki, or anything else..


Nobody is saying Shank's isn't a swordsman.

Nobody is saying Mihawk isn't the WSS.

But you guys are holding on to Mihawk's title as if it's a fact that he can win against any swordsman in the world who fights with a sword and has other means of fighting as well. When that's not the case.. and that's not how it works..

Mihawk's title is only based on swordsmanship.

Sword vs. Sword Mihawk > anyone.

Throw in ANY other means of fighting, and Mihawk can lose.


Plain and simple.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Think about how epic it is, to be like "yo I'm gonna go duel a friend/rival of mine who is the WSS, in a fight only based on swordsmanship, to have fun while I test my own skills and become better at it.."

That is in no way anything like a fight to the death, where Shanks can go all out with Haki, or anything else..


Nobody is saying Shank's isn't a swordsman.

Nobody is saying Mihawk isn't the WSS.

But you guys are holding on to Mihawk's title as if it's a fact that he can win against any swordsman in the world who fights with a sword and has other means of fighting as well. When that's not the case.. and that's not how it works..

Mihawk's title is only based on swordsmanship.

Sword vs. Sword Mihawk > anyone.

Throw in ANY other means of fighting, and Mihawk can lose.


Plain and simple.

If they're a swordsman, then theirs no way they have a style of fighting that's superior to their swordplay because that would make swordplay secondary. It has to be primary for it to be a swordsman.

 

[chopstickchakra]

If they're a swordsman, then theirs no way they have a style of fighting that's superior to their swordplay because that would make swordplay secondary. It has to be primary for it to be a swordsman.

I've already explained how one method can be stronger but not used as a primary method at the same time, stop trying to pass off how you feel a fight should be represented as fact.

~To the other point even if they had an auxiliary power stronger than their sword but still for whatever used their sword first and foremost they'd still be a swordsman. If I'm great with a sword but Amazing with a gun(never miss, hit from ridiculous distance and angles, ability with multiple guns etc) and don't use my gun but in the rarest of occasions(Life and death moments only) and instead fight with my sword until the most dire of situations where I need my best then I would be seen as a swordsman because that would be my primary fighting method despite actually being better with a gun.

Also it doesn't have to be superior to their swordplay to get them an advantage over a swordsman. If you switch from a sword to a spear you gain an advantage from the range, you can be weaker with your spear skills but it can still perform better against a sword then your sword would. Just because it can doesn't mean it will but saying it absolutely can't is a logical fallacy.

 

[LBeezy]

If they're a swordsman, then theirs no way they have a style of fighting that's superior to their swordplay because that would make swordplay secondary. It has to be primary for it to be a swordsman.

I'll say it again..

Sword vs. Sword | Mihawk > anyone (according to manga)

Throw in any other means of attack, and Mihawk can lose. (I'm not saying "will lose for a fact". No. I'm saying "can lose".)


His title applies to swordsmanship and stops there.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'll say it again..

Sword vs. Sword | Mihawk > anyone (according to manga)

Throw in any other means of attack, and Mihawk can lose. (I'm not saying "will lose for a fact". No. I'm saying "can lose".)


His title applies to swordsmanship and stops there.

I disagree because anyone who uses a sword enough to be classified as a swordsman must use it primarily. Meaning, it's what they are most effective with in battle and can produce the highest output of combat ability with. At best, other styles of combat will be equal to their swordplay. Since their swordplay is inferior to Mihawk's, the other styles of combat will as well.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I disagree because anyone who uses a sword enough to be classified as a swordsman must use it primarily. Meaning, it's what they are most effective with in battle and can produce the highest output of combat ability with. At best, other styles of combat will be equal to their swordplay. Since their swordplay is inferior to Mihawk's, the other styles of combat will as well.

Sure go ahead keep replying to him with that same line and overlook the rebuttal. I'm pretty much done with this thread for now anyway, we're all just repeating ourselves at this point and neither side is going to be able to sway the other until we get some more out of the manga.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sure go ahead keep replying to him with that same line and overlook the rebuttal. I'm pretty much done with this thread for now anyway, we're all just repeating ourselves at this point and neither side is going to be able to sway the other until we get some more out of the manga.

The rebuttal is repeated, so the line is repeated.

Primary=what your most effective with in battle. Something you haven't grasped, which is why I stopped replying to you.

 

[chopstickchakra]

The rebuttal is repeated, so the line is repeated.

Primary=what your most effective with in battle. Something you haven't grasped, which is why I stopped replying to you.

Primary by definition means what you use first it never states in the definition it must be strongest or ultimate. There seems to eb a common trait in this topic where you define a word and then use your definition as fact. You're arguing that one case must apply to every case and that's not how it works. Some people's primaries may be there strongest choice but the definition does not dictate it to be so.

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And you've all still dodged the hypothetical what happens if Kaidou(who has a trong affiliation with Wano which itself has a heavy affiliation with swordsmen) turns out to use a sword? Does Mihawk still beat him or can he only beat him at swords because based on his description it'd make little to no sense for Mihawk to be able to beat kaidou.

 

[lelerskates]

Do you think Marineford Whitebeard can beat Mihawk?

Nope. he would lose to Mihawk.

 

[LBeezy]

I'll say it again..

Sword vs. Sword | Mihawk > anyone (according to manga)

Throw in any other means of attack, and Mihawk can lose. (I'm not saying "will lose for a fact". No. I'm saying "can lose".)


His title applies to swordsmanship and stops there.

So Zoro, someone who is undeniably a swordsman, during the Skypeia arc...

If he went 1v1 against Enel, a logia DF user, which would work better and be more effective?

Zoro's primary fighting style, his 3 swords?

Or a rubber stick? Not his primary fighting style. At all. Something he never uses. Ever.



You want your sense of logic to be 100% correct.. but it's not. You want to claim that a swordsman can only fight and be as good as his sword/swordplay against every opponent. And that's simply absurd.

There is no rule on this earth, and especially not a fictional world, that someone can not choose to be something primarily, every day, yet be purely better at something else. Or have an equal level of skill in multiple things..

Like come on bro, are you serious?


Debating for the sake of debating is one thing.. but denying simple logic and facts while doing so is just ridiculous.