Can the rinnegan break every genjutsu ?

[siyo]

I think rinnegan field of vision is weak because itachi use kunai at edo nagato summon blind spot and nagato never use an counter attack .\
jiraya manage to use genjutsu on the pein

You're right that it seems like you can just obstruct the users vision,and defeat the owner that way, but it is still considered the strongest doujutsu around.And zombie Nagato clearly lacked mobility

 

[Owarij]

Rinnegan can't break genjutsu..... Sharingan can't break genjutsu either

 

[Uchicha Macho]

Rinnegan can't break genjutsu..... Sharingan can't break genjutsu either

sasuke did break itachi genjutsu several times.But a uchiha with rennigan can break genjutsu example madara

 

[siyo]

Well tsukuyomi is much faster as the frogs genjutsu. Frogs genjutsu didnt kill the pains cuz it was jiraiya who impaled stone swords in them thus killing them. Tsukuyomi could kill if itachi would like to he just didnt killed kakashi in part 1 cuz he wanted to protect the leaf and note that kakashi is an elite ninja with sharingan (can cancel genjutsus) but even he couldnt broke the genjutsu

Vibrations will always be more dangerous, since the user can capture a lot of folks at the same time, and it doesn't matter if you look at the persons eye or not.

Rinnegan can't break genjutsu..... Sharingan can't break genjutsu either

Well, see through, whatever....U_U

 

[Owarij]

sasuke did break itachi genjutsu several times.But a uchiha with rennigan can break genjutsu example madara

Sharingan can help see through the genjutsu, and allow the user to break it with more ease than another person....Sharingan does NOT break genjutsu....

And with itachi's tsukyomi, he already stated that one possessing uchiha blood would be able to resist and break it himself

 

[siyo]

Sharingan can help see through the genjutsu, and allow the user to break it with more ease than another person....Sharingan does NOT break genjutsu....

And with itachi's tsukyomi, he already stated that one possessing uchiha blood would be able to resist and break it himself

Itachi also stated that amaterasu was unavoidable, and we all know how that turned out…

The only thing we know for a fact is that sasuke broke it.

 

[Blaze Release]

I meant we have seen two. Nagato and Madara.It makes sense why Itachi didn't use genjutsu against Nagato.



We are talking s-rank jutsus here, obviously any genjutsu can be broken.The question is can they be broken before it s too late.

And what do you mean no? Lol, If i recall correctly, it was stated that sound genjutsu was the best kind of genjutsu out there.

So basically because itachi didnt use genjutsu against nagato therefore genjutsu doent affect a rennigan user?. Lmao, if this is your argument tbh you might aswell stop now.

I do not recall anybody saying sound genjutsu is best kind of genjutsu and even if it its, you said it was the strongest kind of genjutsu and we all disagree. We all know what type of genjutsu is the strongest. Ill give you a clue, they all have one thing in common. Tsukuyomi, izanagi, kotoamatsukami

 

[Owarij]

Itachi also stated that amaterasu was unavoidable, and we all know how that turned out…

The only thing we know for a fact is that sasuke broke it.

Itachi never stated amaterasu was unavoidable o.0,link?

 

[Uchiha Luis]

Itachi also stated that amaterasu was unavoidable, and we all know how that turned out…

The only thing we know for a fact is that sasuke broke it.

NO itachi was going easy on sasuke becuase if he was not sasuke would be death right now

 

[siyo]

So basically because itachi didnt use genjutsu against nagato therefore genjutsu doent affect a rennigan user?. Lmao, if this is your argument tbh you might aswell stop now.

I do not recall anybody saying sound genjutsu is best kind of genjutsu and even if it its, you said it was the strongest kind of genjutsu and we all disagree. We all know what type of genjutsu is the strongest. Ill give you a clue, they all have one thing in common. Tsukuyomi, izanagi, kotoamatsukami

I can only shake my head at you trying to downplay the importance of that particular moment, quite hilarious actually. Itachi is a genjutsu specialist, and he used genjutsu against almost everyone he fought(deidara,naruto,oro). He even used it against Kakashi, and we all know how important it was for him to save up chakra/eye sight.

Later it took three kage level fighters to take down Nagato, when in reality Itachi could have taken him down alone with tsukuyomi(if he could).

How can you deny this?

Shikamaru said that sound genjutsu was the best form of genjutsu,so anything else is pure speculation.The only reason KA is so deadly is its ability to strike unnoticed.

 

[siyo]

Itachi never stated amaterasu was unavoidable o.0,link?

Too lazy to look it up right now ( it was said by either him, zetzu, or sauske).Don't worry, we have plenty other inconsistencies from him e.g Madara being an invincible immortal, or the fact that he lied to sasuke his whole life.

 

[Baka Sennin]

well, the pains were unable to break out of the frog song genjutsu, so obviously the rinnegan can't break out of ALL genjutsu. however, we haven't seen any visual genjutsu performed on rinnegan users so we can't actually judge how good the rinnegan is vs genjutsu. plus the fact that itachi performs genjutsu in every battle he fights but doesn't attempt one on nagato is a bit suspect imo.

personally i think it does grant some kind of protection vs visual genjutsu, the point you make about it being an evolution of the sharingan is sound. reason i think that this evolution things is crap, the rinnegan doesn't build on the sharingan, it's a completely different dojutsu with opposing strengths and weaknesses. sharingan's strengths are seeing through genjutsu, reading movements, seeing the chakra network and copying skills, if the rinnegan has none of that, what the hell of an evolution is it ? :s

 

[Better]

Well in theory, Since sharigan can see through genjutsu of tsukuyomi level, the rinnegan should be able to do it with ease

 

[Owarij]

Well in theory, Since sharigan can see through genjutsu of tsukuyomi level, the rinnegan should be able to do it with ease

sharingan can't see through tsukyomi o.0, sharingan can resist mangekyou sharingan a little bit, Not alot, Having uchiha blood, can make you break it

 

[Better]

sharingan can't see through tsukyomi o.0, sharingan can resist mangekyou sharingan a little bit, Not alot, Having uchiha blood, can make you break it

Lol when I referred to sharingan I meant an uchiha lol not someone like kakashi

 

[Blaze Release]

I can only shake my head at you trying to downplay the importance of that particular moment, quite hilarious actually. Itachi is a genjutsu specialist, and he used genjutsu against almost everyone he fought(deidara,naruto,oro). He even used it against Kakashi, and we all know how important it was for him to save up chakra/eye sight.

Later it took three kage level fighters to take down Nagato, when in reality Itachi could have taken him down alone with tsukuyomi(if he could).

How can you deny this?

Shikamaru said that sound genjutsu was the best form of genjutsu,so anything else is pure speculation.The only reason KA is so deadly is its ability to strike unnoticed.

Again your excuse isnt enough. Itachi has used genjutsu in all his 1 vs 1 fights, i dont believe he needed to use tsukuyomi on nagato when bee and naruto were there aswell. I believe since there was help around he instead tried to work as a team instead of him taking on nagato all alone. This is evident in him coming up with a strategy that they could use to stop chibaku tensei. Also evident in him telling naruto that, he has failed in life trying to do everything by himself and giving naruto advise to have faith in his fellow team mates abilities.

If it was strictly nagato vs itachi, i have no doubt in my mind that itachi wouldve used genjutsu.

Anyway i could understand what shikamaru meant by sound genjutsu being the best form. Not because its unbreakable but because it affects quiet a number of people. Evident during the chunnin exam when kabuto used this during the sasuke vs gara fight. Also evident in jiraiya vs 3 pains. But as you saw kakashi, gai, sakura, shikamaru and a whole other characters were able to break out of it. Again it isnt unbreakable, similar to the frogs genjutsu.

Whilst some of the genjutsu used by uchiha are more or less unbreakable.

 

[Hei]

why not rinnengan is the last stage of sharingan and also eyes of the so6p it means they can see and maybe break most of genjutsus

 

[silmarill]

if rinnegan is a evolution from sharingan and sharingan can break genjutsu wouldnt rinnegan also be able to do it? otherwise it would seem more like a degradation

 

[siyo]

well, the pains were unable to break out of the frog song genjutsu, so obviously the rinnegan can't break out of ALL genjutsu. however, we haven't seen any visual genjutsu performed on rinnegan users so we can't actually judge how good the rinnegan is vs genjutsu. plus the fact that itachi performs genjutsu in every battle he fights but doesn't attempt one on nagato is a bit suspect imo.

personally i think it does grant some kind of protection vs visual genjutsu, the point you make about it being an evolution of the sharingan is sound. reason i think that this evolution things is crap, the rinnegan doesn't build on the sharingan, it's a completely different dojutsu with opposing strengths and weaknesses. sharingan's strengths are seeing through genjutsu, reading movements, seeing the chakra network and copying skills, if the rinnegan has none of that, what the hell of an evolution is it ? :s

Thx and I’m obviously talking about visual genjutsu. You bring up a good point about the key differences between the rinnegan and the sharingan, and it sorta feels like a coincidence (not thought out idea) from Kishi’s side, but that’s what we have to live with right now .
It would make more sense if the byakugan was related to the sharingan,since they both specializes in chakra.

Again your excuse isnt enough. Itachi has used genjutsu in all his 1 vs 1 fights, i dont believe he needed to use tsukuyomi on nagato when bee and naruto were there aswell. I believe since there was help around he instead tried to work as a team instead of him taking on nagato all alone. This is evident in him coming up with a strategy that they could use to stop chibaku tensei. Also evident in him telling naruto that, he has failed in life trying to do everything by himself and giving naruto advise to have faith in his fellow team mates abilities.

If it was strictly nagato vs itachi, i have no doubt in my mind that itachi wouldve used genjutsu.

Anyway i could understand what shikamaru meant by sound genjutsu being the best form. Not because its unbreakable but because it affects quiet a number of people. Evident during the chunnin exam when kabuto used this during the sasuke vs gara fight. Also evident in jiraiya vs 3 pains. But as you saw kakashi, gai, sakura, shikamaru and a whole other characters were able to break out of it. Again it isnt unbreakable, similar to the frogs genjutsu.

Whilst some of the genjutsu used by uchiha are more or less unbreakable.

Your theory sounds more like an excuse than mine. Itachi would not jeopardize all their life’s simply because he wanted to teach Naruto a life lesson (sounds ridicoulous). Itachi did clearly not know about Nagato’s abilities, so he couldn’t predict what was coming, and against such a powerful foe you would think that you would get rid of him by any means necessary (Itachi does not take that kind of chances).As I said earlier Itachi go to move is genjutsu(fact..), and even if it would be smartest not to use it e.g. the Kakashi fight. But it is your opinion, and you have a right to have it, although, it doesn’t seem plausible from where I’m sitting.

Plus it would be a demotion if the rinnegan didn’t possess the same resistance level as the sharingan.

Regarding the sound genjutsu, yes, It is much more beneficial for the reasons you stated above, but you have to remember there are different levels(just like the visuals) and the frog genjutsu was of the highest level(so just like tsukuyomi it would be difficult to break ).

 

[siyo]

if rinnegan is a evolution from sharingan and sharingan can break genjutsu wouldnt rinnegan also be able to do it? otherwise it would seem more like a degradation

Exactly my point.