Can Kisame defeat Itachi ?

[Prince Charles]

I don't see why everyone is getting hyped up, this would be a close match regardless seeing Itachi can end this with genjutsu or totsuka blade or kisame can end this with water dome.

 

[Disquiet]

Kisame knowing he's in genjutsu can have samahade disrupt the chakra flow

If i remembercorrectly, samehada has sensing ability, thus can sense the chakra sent from the caster and into Kismae. Since genjutsu is a separate sent andchannelled into itsopponent brain (cerebral) i dont see how/why samehada couldnt disrupt the affects of genjutsu

Sorry I missed this. Kisame would first have to know when he's in one.


It's been shown to be very perceptive of particular qualities of chakra. Nothing to prove it's a full-fledged sensor. On top of that, we would need proof that sameheda would even know what to do.

 

[Disquiet]

you said over his bombs, that's completely different. We all know genjutsu does this, that's nothing new. Jiraiya easily broke the genjutsu.

I'm not seeing your point. Itachi can't control samahade and Kisame is aware of genjutsu. Obviously being ABLE to counter this is one thing

Not completely different, he did control them in a sense.

Yeah being aware doesn't amount to much if one can't counter it, which is the point here.

 

[Dantee]

Kisame doesn't need to be fused with samahade, i prefer he wouldn't unless their underwater.

@Bold. Yes, but it does not automatically appear on the target. As long on the opponent as capable of shielding themselves before amaterasu lands they'll be fine. One can simply interfere the blow

In order for that to happen one needs to able to direct the users focus somewhere else. An amaterasu user can also hold in Amaterasu and ignite it at anytime whenever he's ready. Refer to chap 550. Kisame isn't fast enough to do what Ay or Obito does.

I'm seriously going to class now.

I'm done with this you have not once countered Kisame and I know it's because you can't obvious cause you would've done it by now. I got a smile on my face, tell me one thing, why the f***is Ay alive? Ama ignites one the opponent like you said but why did he dodge it? how did Obito block it without it even touching him? lol I'm done, you failed man just face it.

How about you actually post me a full counter instead of ranting aimlessy. All you do is cry and bch when my argument was never directed towards you. How did Ay and Obito evade Amaterasu wow you must be slow. Please re-read what I said and reread the manga over. You don't seem to know much about either opponents.

 

[Disquiet]

I don't see why everyone is getting hyped up, this would be a close match regardless seeing Itachi can end this with genjutsu or totsuka blade or kisame can end this with water dome.

Yeah putting aside the portayal, though Kishi has obviously put Itachi above Kisame; Kisame does indeed have his chances (especially with water dome).

 

[HNIC]

Not completely different, he did control them in a sense.

Yeah being aware doesn't amount to much if one can't counter it, which is the point here.

it is. Controlling someone else's jutsu VS controlling the person IN CONTROL of their own jutsu is different.

And the points...he has maneuvers to counter genjtus. Therefore, how about everyone try another argument, since neither can be proven.

In order for that to happen one needs to able to direct the users focus somewhere else. An amaterasu user can also hold in Amaterasu and ignite it at anytime whenever he's ready. Refer to chap 550. Kisame isn't fast enough to do what Ay or Obito does.

I'm seriously going to class now.



How about you actually post me a full counter instead of ranting aimlessy. All you do is cry and bch when my argument was never directed towards you. How did Ay and Obito evade Amaterasu wow you must be slow. Please re-read what I said and reread the manga over. You don't seem to know much about either opponents.

No bro lol

One does not need to redirect their attention but simply put someone between their line of view.

Garra has done this
Obito has done this
Sasuke has shown how this can be done
etc.

@PC nobody is hyped, when arguing a point we just go IN

 

[Prince Charles]

Yeah putting aside the portayal, though Kishi has obviously put Itachi above Kisame; Kisame does indeed have his chances (especially with water dome).

Agreed, If we go by how kishi portrayed them both, Itachi is superior but when feats get involved kisame has his chances.

 

[blazekev90]

SoMe is going HAM in here!! I SEE YOU LOL

@ nameless the reaction can be as simple as biting Kismae lol

 

[Disquiet]

it is. Controlling someone else's jutsu VS controlling the person IN CONTROL of their own jutsu is different.

And the points...he has maneuvers to counter genjtus. Therefore, how about everyone try another argument, since neither can be proven.




No bro lol

One does not need to redirect their attention but simply put someone between their line of view.

Garra has done this
Obito has done this
Sasuke has shown how this can be done
etc.

@PC nobody is hyped, when arguing a point we just go IN

I could say that one is controlling the justu THROUGH the person being controlled. That's why I said in a sense, it's the same. However, this really isn't all that important anyways.

Um no, you would have to prove that samehada would know what to do when Kisame is under a genjutsu. Seeing as how more intelligent beings had to learn what to do, it's not something that can just be dropped.

 

[Disquiet]

SoMe is going HAM in here!! I SEE YOU LOL

@ nameless the reaction can be as simple as biting Kismae lol

That's not it.

1) Kisame would have to first know he's in one.

2) If we're talking about Samehada acting on its own, there's going to have to be proof it knows how to cancel a genjutsu.

 

[tell it all]

it's offical kisame wins

 

[Prince Charles]

That's not it.

1) Kisame would have to first know he's in one.

2) If we're talking about Samehada acting on its own, there's going to have to be proof it knows how to cancel a genjutsu.

I could say that one is controlling the justu THROUGH the person being controlled. That's why I said in a sense, it's the same. However, this really isn't all that important anyways.

Um no, you would have to prove that samehada would know what to do when Kisame is under a genjutsu. Seeing as how more intelligent beings had to learn what to do, it's not something that can just be dropped.

Exactly my point I keep saying this.

 

[-Punk-]

wow , so many different opinions , I'll go with Kisame tho ,I'm reading more logical answers than wanking .

Kisame > Itachi .

 

[HiddenSound]

I say Itachi.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

if kisame uses water dome and its over

if itachi use tokusuka then its over

 

[elsepa]

This is one of those matches that could go either way

 

[Optimistic]

it's offical kisame wins

how about you debate against the best itachi debater(floriglori) if u win then its official.

 

[Osmon]

There Is No Way That Kisame Could Beat Itachi He Can Defend Against Any Powerful And OP Move Of Kisame With Yata And Attack Him With Totsuka And Itachi Can Also Use Suiton Jutsus And Can Resist Some Of Kisame's Suiton Jutsus And If Kisame Would Have Been Caught In Genjutsu That Would End The Fight With Mid-diff So Itachi Beats Kisame High-Diff Because Itachi Has An Absolute Defense And A OP Offensive So Itachi Takes This. =D


ITACHI SOLOS :itachi:

 

[HNIC]

I could say that one is controlling the justu THROUGH the person being controlled. That's why I said in a sense, it's the same. However, this really isn't all that important anyways.

Um no, you would have to prove that samehada would know what to do when Kisame is under a genjutsu. Seeing as how more intelligent beings had to learn what to do, it's not something that can just be dropped.

Still holding on to your only argument huh? lol

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1) If you think Kisame cant overpower Itachi's chakra, i dont know what manga you've been reading. It is more than obvious that Kismae possess more power between the two in order to disrupt the chakra flow himself

2) Samahade is present to place chakra into chakra if needed

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it's really not that difficult with another around able to assist

3) pain breaks genjutsu'

4) clones counter genjutsu. Kisame has used multiple clones before and Itachi has been fooled by a clone before...lol

What more do you want?

 

[Disquiet]

Still holding on to your only argument huh? lol

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1) If you think Kisame cant overpower Itachi's chakra, i dont know what manga you've been reading. It is more than obvious that Kismae possess more power between the two in order to disrupt the chakra flow himself

2) Samahade is present to place chakra into chakra if needed

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it's really not that difficult with another around able to assist

3) pain breaks genjutsu'

4) clones counter genjutsu. Kisame has used multiple clones before and Itachi has been fooled by a clone before...lol

What more do you want?

That's not countering my argument...

That's not it.

1) Kisame would have to first know he's in one.

2) If we're talking about Samehada acting on its own, there's going to have to be proof it knows how to cancel a genjutsu.