Can Kisame defeat Itachi ?

[Vegeto30294]

BS we have already counterd those, not once has anyone countered Kisame's.

All you said was Samehada absorbs Amaterasu (assuming it even can, and what happens if it hits Kisame directly?)

Samehada breaks him out of Tsukiyomi (again, assuming it can, it wouldn't be able to break out fast enough before he's struck down either mentally or physically)

And there's still nothing in Kisame's arsenal that stops Susano'o, let alone Susano'o with Totsuka & Yata.

He broke it almost instantly.

Almost is your problem. If it takes longer than a second to break Kisame out of Tsukiyomi, then its over.

 

[slaton02]

All you said was Samehada absorbs Amaterasu (assuming it even can, and what happens if it hits Kisame directly?)

Samehada breaks him out of Tsukiyomi (again, assuming it can, it wouldn't be able to break out fast enough before he's struck down either mentally or physically)

And there's still nothing in Kisame's arsenal that stops Susano'o, let alone Susano'o with Totsuka & Yata.

All I said!!!! How does Itachi counter 1000+sharks? Waterdome? GSB? SHARKDANCE? -_- this is Kisame we are talking about the monster of the mist all the sh** he has done and seen you think he would be mentally broke after a second in tsukuyomi?(assuming Itachi catches him in it. remember Kisame doesn't need his eye he has a sensing ability;just another one of many counters Kisame has)

so Itachi even catching Kisame in tsykuyomi is doubtful. So plz counter Kisame's techs if you cause I have countered Itachi's

 

[Dantee]

This is a fairly useless post... Let's begin cracking into it then.

1: Samehada doesn't like fire. True, but is still absorbed the fire. Without Any Damage. I've supplied this evidence in the previous post.

2: Samehada has never. What occured between Bee, Kisame, and Samehada was all apart of the plan to get Kisame close to Bee and Naruto. In fact, he has shown to even force the sword to do his

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3: As for Amaterasu, it obviously does or Ay and Obito wouldn't of reacted to it before being hit.

I already addressed that Samehada can be seperated with a mere kick. You contradicted your in your 1st two posts. You say he doesn't disobey Kisame and then disobeys him in the scan you posted. I don't feel like going into the debate whether Amaterasu travels or not. I'm heading to class now but we all know Kisame doesn't have the means to react to Amaterasu.

 

[Dantee]

Debating with him is useless all he does is deny deny deny.

Serious bro, I've debated numerous of people and admitted when I was wrong time and time again. Honestly it's time to stop typing if you want to get personal. You don't know anything about m.e.

 

[Prince Charles]

1000 sharks get tanked via sussano v2

GSB can probably get tanked via Yata mirror

as for waterdome, not likely but I can probably think of a few counters if I think about it.

 

[Vegeto30294]

All I said!!!! How does Itachi counter 1000+sharks? Waterdome? GSB? SHARKDANCE? -_- this is Kisame we are talking about the monster of the mist all the sh** he has done and seen you think he would be mentally broke after a second in tsukuyomi?(assuming Itachi catches him in it. remember Kisame doesn't need his eye he has a sensing ability)

I love how the only way you can counter "How does Kisame stop X" is "How does Itachi stop Y" and with nothing to back it up than Kisame's this and Kisame's that"

Zabuza > Itachi because how does Itachi counter Hidden Mist and Water Dragon and Silent Killing?

No, Samehada has a sensing ability, not Kisame.

1 second = 3 Days minimum in Tsukiyomi. Everyone has a breaking point, including Kisame, and again, this is if Itachi doesn't cut him down physically.

 

[slaton02]

I already addressed that Samehada can be seperated with a mere kick. You contradicted your in your 1st two posts. You say he doesn't disobey Kisame and then disobeys him in the scan you posted. I don't feel like going into the debate whether Amaterasu travels or not. I'm heading to class now but we all know Kisame doesn't have the means to react to Amaterasu.

Samehada does comeback to Kisame you know? it's done it multiple times and who says Itachi can even seperate it from him? If he fuses Itachi is f***ed from the get go. Your one of the biggest Uchiha fans on this site and you don't even know how Uchiha techs work? WOW It's already a proven fact Ama travels there is no debating it. Yeah go to class

 

[HNIC]

I already addressed that Samehada can be seperated with a mere kick. You contradicted your in your 1st two posts. You say he doesn't disobey Kisame and then disobeys him in the scan you posted. I don't feel like going into the debate whether Amaterasu travels or not. I'm heading to class now but we all know Kisame doesn't have the means to react to Amaterasu.

the issue with BOLD. That requires contact with either samehada, kisame or both. Both capable to draining chakra upon contact. That would be risky.

Samehaba obeys Kisame unless their is someone with greater chakra present, we all know this wont be the case against Itachi.

I've provided scans in which he can counter amaterasu

 

[Disquiet]

And the process of returning the chakra back to Kisame wouldn't that break him free? Or, all in all prevent Kisame from falling in one if a process were to be continuous.

He'll just be replacing lost chakra, and not necessarily a "surge" to disrupt the chakra flow. It's like when someone is getting healed, there's no rise in the chakra flow (which is necessary to break the genjutsu), it's simply returning the chakra they lost.



Also, like Itachi controlled Deidara's clay bombs, he could have Kisame drop Samehada the INSTANT he catches him.

 

[HNIC]

He'll just be replacing lost chakra, and not necessarily a "surge" to disrupt the chakra flow. It's like when someone is getting healed, there's no rise in the chakra flow (which is necessary to break the genjutsu), it's simply returning the chakra they lost.



Also, like Itachi controlled Deidara's clay bombs, he could have Kisame drop Samehada the INSTANT he catches him.

Itachi didn't control Deidara's clay, that was an illusion. Deidara was controlling his clay thinking this was happening to Itachi, but he was indeed doing this to himself. Kisame commented, " He almost blew HIMSELF up"

 

[Vegeto30294]

I'm honestly trying my best to not state "Totsuka Blitz GG"

 

[slaton02]

I love how the only way you can counter "How does Kisame stop X" is "How does Itachi stop Y" and with nothing to back it up than Kisame's this and Kisame's that"

Zabuza > Itachi because how does Itachi counter Hidden Mist and Water Dragon and Silent Killing?

No, Samehada has a sensing ability, not Kisame.

1 second = 3 Years minimum in Tsukiyomi. Everyone has a breaking point, including Kisame, and again, this is if Itachi doesn't cut him down physically.

You official got my d******* card lol I don't mean to but dang dude. You're being slow or just trying to work your way out of this. Itachi has counters to Zabuza's tech and how dare you even compare those to the level of Kisame? lol you're admitting Itachi doesn't have counters! I or another have provided proven techs that can counter Itachi's so the BS your saying is untrue there. GG sir and thank you (in case you have not realized it you lost this debate for Itachi at least you admitted he doesn't have counters to Kisame unlike Dantee who dances around question and deny everything)

 

[slaton02]

I love how the only way you can counter "How does Kisame stop X" is "How does Itachi stop Y" and with nothing to back it up than Kisame's this and Kisame's that"

Zabuza > Itachi because how does Itachi counter Hidden Mist and Water Dragon and Silent Killing?

No, Samehada has a sensing ability, not Kisame.

1 second = 3 Years minimum in Tsukiyomi. Everyone has a breaking point, including Kisame, and again, this is if Itachi doesn't cut him down physically.

Lol dang dude. You're being slow or just trying to work your way out of this. Itachi has counters to Zabuza's tech and how dare you even compare those to the level of Kisame? lol you're admitting Itachi doesn't have counters! I or another have provided proven techs that can counter Itachi's so the BS your saying is untrue there. GG sir and thank you (in case you have not realized it you lost this debate for Itachi at least you admitted he doesn't have counters to Kisame unlike Dantee who dances around question and deny everything)

 

[Exaar]

as for waterdome, not likely but I can probably think of a few counters if I think about it.

Itachi is already almost blind, His vision underwater would be absolutely rubbish, Making it hard to Aim Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi effectively.

Let alone Itachi woud be running out of breath and forced to keep susanoo up which will be constantly getting absorbed/Eaten (Be it any form, Susanoo would be completely absorbed in one strike) by kisame + His speed boost he gets from Fusing with his sword and being in water.

Also clone feints won't work due to kisame being able to sense everything inside the waterdome.

He could time his 1000 Sharks to strike the very moment susanoo gets absorbed, No way itachi is dealing with them all, even with amaterasu

 

[Dantee]

the issue with BOLD. That requires contact with either samehada, kisame or both. Both capable to draining chakra upon contact. That would be risky.

Samehaba obeys Kisame unless their is someone with greater chakra present, we all know this wont be the case against Itachi.

I've provided scans in which he can counter amaterasu

Samehada does comeback to Kisame you know? it's done it multiple times and who says Itachi can even seperate it from him? If he fuses Itachi is f***ed from the get go. Your one of the biggest Uchiha fans on this site and you don't even know how Uchiha techs work? WOW It's already a proven fact Ama travels there is no debating it. Yeah go to class

It's proven Amaterasu ignites on the users focused target. I'm a Uchiha fan because I know exactly how it works. If Kisame fuses with Samehada that's even a worst scenario for him because both will die. My argument is with the other guy not you yah fodder. He didn't imply whether Kisame is fused or not and I'm not sure if it will make much of a difference. If Kisame is lit with Amaterasu. He is no longer a threat. He will be burned to ash, Samehada is not a threat on it's own. A simple kick doesn't require direct contact to be drained of chakra. We've seen Samehada being hurt before. He is just like any other living creature. Please read the manga for just a day. Please

Samehada is keen to doing whatever he wants. He fact he doesn't like fire I don't see him asorbing the hottest flames in the manga just because Kisame told him to. Or at the very least he will be hesistant something ITachi won't allow to happen because he's quick to act.

 

[slaton02]

It's proven Amaterasu ignites on the users focused target. I'm a Uchiha fan because I know exactly how it works. If Kisame fuses with Samehada that's even a worst scenario for him because both will die. My argument is with the other guy not you yah fodder. He didn't imply whether Kisame is fused or not and I'm not sure if it will make much of a difference. If Kisame is lit with Amaterasu. He is no longer a threat. He will be burned to ash, Samehada is not a threat on it's own. A simple kick doesn't require direct contact to be drained of chakra. We've seen Samehada being hurt before. He is just like any other living creature. Please read the manga for just a day. Please

I'm done with this you have not once countered Kisame and I know it's because you can't obvious cause you would've done it by now. I got a smile on my face, tell me one thing, why the f***is Ay alive? Ama ignites one the opponent like you said but why did he dodge it? how did Obito block it without it even touching him? lol I'm done, you failed man just face it.

 

[Disquiet]

Itachi didn't control Deidara's clay, that was an illusion. Deidara was controlling his clay thinking this was happening to Itachi, but he was indeed doing this to himself. Kisame commented, " He almost blew HIMSELF up"

Exactly. While Deidara was indeed controlling the bombs, the fact that they ended up on HIM depicts Itachi's control over their opponent's thoughts/intentions. It's no biggie for him to have Kisame drop Samehada.

No matter, Itachi has been shown to control others while they were in his genjutsu. The girl he genjutsu'd to dupe Jiraiya being one of them.

 

[HNIC]

It's proven Amaterasu ignites on the users focused target. I'm a Uchiha fan because I know exactly how it works. If Kisame fuses with Samehada that's even a worst scenario for him because both will die. My argument is with the other guy not you yah fodder. He didn't imply whether Kisame is fused or not and I'm not sure if it will make much of a difference. If Kisame is lit with Amaterasu. He is no longer a threat. He will be burned to ash, Samehada is not a threat on it's own. A simple kick doesn't require direct contact to be drained of chakra. We've seen Samehada being hurt before. He is just like any other living creature. Please read the manga for just a day. Please

Kisame doesn't need to be fused with samahade, i prefer he wouldn't unless their underwater.

@Bold. Yes, but it does not automatically appear on the target. As long on the opponent as capable of shielding themselves before amaterasu lands they'll be fine. One can simply interfere the blow

 

[HNIC]

Exactly. While Deidara was indeed controlling the bombs, the fact that they ended up on HIM depicts Itachi's control over their opponent's thoughts/intentions. It's no biggie for him to have Kisame drop Samehada.

No matter, Itachi has been shown to control others while they were in his genjutsu. The girl he genjutsu'd to dupe Jiraiya being one of them.

you said over his bombs, that's completely different. We all know genjutsu does this, that's nothing new. Jiraiya easily broke the genjutsu.

I'm not seeing your point. Itachi can't control samahade and Kisame is aware of genjutsu. Obviously being ABLE to counter this is one thing

 

[slaton02]

Itachi is already almost blind, His vision underwater would be absolutely rubbish, Making it hard to Aim Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi effectively.

Let alone Itachi woud be running out of breath and forced to keep susanoo up which will be constantly getting absorbed/Eaten (Be it any form, Susanoo would be completely absorbed in one strike) by kisame + His speed boost he gets from Fusing with his sword and being in water.

Also clone feints won't work due to kisame being able to sense everything inside the waterdome.

He could time his 1000 Sharks to strike the very moment susanoo gets absorbed, No way itachi is dealing with them all, even with amaterasu

Lol this thread has been owned, Kisame is the clear winner. he has to think of counters lol, nothing wrong with that but Kisame's counter's to Itachi were obvious and didn't require much of any thinking(kinda like water counters fire no need to think a bunch)