Can Itachi really defeat Minato ?

[Dantе]

Genjutsu can be broken

Not so when facing Itachi.​

 

[DHOH]

My money would be on itachi.

 

[The Messiah]

I'm not underestimating Itachi, i just feel like he's being overestimated.



Amazing points. Really well thought out.



Genjutsu needs a stationary target, hence the reason why Shee was caught by Sasuke's genjutsu, because he let his guard down. If genjutsu was effective use, as my friend Oblivionx pointed it out, Sasuke would've used it on Ay. You see, Amaterasu is also see on sight technique, where flames are created on sight but ay dodged it like it was nothing. With that as a base, we can conclude that amaterasu & tsukuyomi have the same timing.

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No, you're misunderstanding. As i've stated before- minato concluded that battle with obtio was a matter of speed. If you're moving at a fast pace, what use would a genjutsu offer with all the movement ? The genjutsu affect the cerebral cortex of a shinobi, so you really need to look them in the eyes if you're going to put them under it, or any other ways. But in this case, Minato is a speed demon, so he can just move swiftly to avoid it, or just use shadow clone as a diversion and then ambush Itachi who is concentrating on putting the shadow clone on genjutsu. And again, when you're dealing with tsukuyomi, the side effects are too risky not to be ignored.

When the battle starts they'll be stationary. Itachi starts most of his battles using genjutsu. Minato doesn't start off just spamming ftg.

Like I said unless Minato has Intel he's screwed.

 

[lndra]

Edo Minato > Edo Itachi > 'Healthy' Itachi = Minato > Sick Itachi

 

[Silent Hero]

Edo Minato > Edo Itachi > 'Healthy' Itachi = Minato > Sick Itachi

and there you have it folks, logic at it's finest.

 

[Dizzldot]

Edo Minato > Edo Itachi > 'Healthy' Itachi = Minato > Sick Itachi

literally spot on

 

[TillIFoundOut]

Itachi the man believe that, but Minato beats him high diff. We can't forget Itachi was also a prodigy. I could see a battle of kunis and shit, Itachi would lose tho. Itachi wouldn't even fight Minato because he knows he will get beat tbh. If Minato uses shadow clones and FTG at the same time, bruh Itachi would be overwhelmed. If Itachi uses his super clone explosion, Minato would be ****ed but he can escape via ftg on some near death shit. Thats probably the only jutsu Itachi has that can really kill Minato, Minato is not getting tagged in genjutsu, he can use sage mode to counter genjutsu by closing his eyes

 

[Oblivionx]

No Ay said nothing like that he said something like a mere Sharingan can't take him down.

Cee said his nerves and stuff was on par with the yellow flash plus he have lightning release armour to boost his reflex and transmission speed.

Even with MS Ay had to amp up to V2 to counter it with his shunshin(possibly the precog) because they didn't know what his abilities was.

Problem is Minato have to be in a mode to sense chakra Kurama even told him to switch modes so he can start sensing Naruto.

@1st bold, i was referring to statement of Ay from madara's fight not sasuke's. And actually i reread the chapter and translation on NB states "flash of light" not yellow flash. Can you get better translation? Since this doesn't seem to be a comparison to minato at all. Although i do remember reading something about yellow flash too, may be another translation.
@bold 2 they had intel on sasuke, reread the chapter and you will see and if they had no intel than it makes it even better case for minato since Ay dodged amaterasu close range without intel then. Though they knew about amaterasu since they made a lot of comments on it regarding itachi as well. Ay was keeping his v2 up to counter MS not precog. v1 was enough to counter precog.

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This scans prove they had at least basic intel about MS since raikage shifted to v2 the moment he saw MS. So knew MS has some jutsus like amaterasu etc. And tsukuyomi and amaterasu seem identical in application jus like long range kamui.

now on to final bold. Yeah that's true that kurama said that but minato has reacted to a lot of sneak attacks against obito and even against Ay dodging him point blank, you can't imagine he did that without sensing with normal eyes when sharingan can't keep up with him. So he can keep that mode active. He was just focusing on battling black zetsu and it may also be coz zetsu can't be sensed so he might have thought of using sensing unnecessary. It's in no way a handicap to him.

 

[Uchihakil]

Really OP? minato teleporting away from eye contact, how is that logically possible?? You can't friggin run away from eye contact (if you do make it and not avoid it) you're doomed (if your opponent is someone like itachi a genjutsu specialist not obito/sasuke/madara etc)

- minato breaking out of itachi's genjutsu?? Excuse my language but I gotta say it, DAF**K!!! He aint vreaking out of shit man, nobody in naruto has a feat of breaking out of 3 tomoe genjutsu, kage level characters like (raikage,danzou, ohnoki, orochimaru, kakashi etc), sensors (cee) hell even Ao, said itachi can get past his sensing, soo hell f**king NO, minato aint breaking out of jack

- tell me who da best shuriken user is?? Itachi that's who it is, kid itachi's training was basically repelling kunai and shit

- and why the hell do you think itachi needs full body susano to block a pathetic rasengan (that failed to kill obito) it aint getting past rib cage susano, or wait, whatelse does minato have??? Kunai slash??? Well good luck bypassing ribcage susano with a knife

- summons?? And you honestly from the buttom of your heart think that its a wise idea to summon a giant animal against an uchiha?? He's basically killing his summon with either
- amaterasu
- totsuka
- or genjutsu

Then what??? Come at me man, come at me with errthing you got minato fan, I'll take you down low diff

 

[TillIFoundOut]

Really OP? minato teleporting away from eye contact, how is that logically possible?? You can't friggin run away from eye contact (if you do make it and not avoid it) you're doomed (if your opponent is someone like itachi a genjutsu specialist not obito/sasuke/madara etc)

- minato breaking out of itachi's genjutsu?? Excuse my language but I gotta say it, DAF**K!!! He aint vreaking out of shit man, nobody in naruto has a feat of breaking out of 3 tomoe genjutsu, kage level characters like (raikage,danzou, ohnoki, orochimaru, kakashi etc), sensors (cee) hell even Ao, said itachi can get past his sensing, soo hell f**king NO, minato aint breaking out of jack

- tell me who da best shuriken user is?? Itachi that's who it is, kid itachi's training was basically repelling kunai and shit

- and why the hell do you think itachi needs full body susano to block a pathetic rasengan (that failed to kill obito) it aint getting past rib cage susano, or wait, whatelse does minato have??? Kunai slash??? Well good luck bypassing ribcage susano with a knife

- summons?? And you honestly from the buttom of your heart think that its a wise idea to summon a giant animal against an uchiha?? He's basically killing his summon with either
- amaterasu
- totsuka
- or genjutsu

Then what??? Come at me man, come at me with errthing you got minato fan, I'll take you down low diff

Alright bet, KCM Minato using shadow clone jutsu ftg and rasengans what is Itachi's counter?

 

[Uchihakil]

Alright bet, KCM Minato using shadow clone jutsu ftg and rasengans what is Itachi's counter?

Alive minato aint got kcm dude, try harder

 

[shelke]

Isn't this the same guy who couldn't get a drop on Bee and Raikage because Teenage Bee proved too fast for him, was constantly looking into Obito's eyes and hasn't displayed any out of the world reflex action and speed feats? Thought so. The over-rated, nearly featless character in the entire manga bar his Edo outing, for which, Tobirama and Naruto came up with strategies when the Jubi was around. How amusing.

I remember how he stood around like a baffled idiot and failed (with another KCM clone) to even body flicker away and save Naruto (Sasuke covered more distance and saved Naruto), but instead, got kicked away hilariously. Tobirama came to the rescue the second time and took the exploding orb away. Sasuke had already formed a Susanno, whilst Minato was staring into the distance ... thinking ... What great feats! Certainly those that cannot be beaten.

I love the fact how you believe FTG to be a counter for Genjutsu. Lovely. Also, Ocular Genjutsu cannot be broken by Genjutsu Kai, otherwise, Orochimaru and Shee (genjutsu experts) wouldn't have been humiliated with 3 Tomoe Genjutsus. Tsukuyomi isn't even needed.

Look at that adorable Senjutsu references, when Minato himself claims that he suckles on a thumb there. How long did it even last despite taking him forver to knead it? About 5 seconds!

Older, 3 Tomoe Itachi beats Minato comfortabily. MS is over-kill.

Look at my joining date,

I've been defending Minato in this battle since day 1... But, 'Can Itachi defeat Minato...?'
Yes, he can if he plays all of his cards perfectly.

This battle will be decided upon two things,
- Itachi getting FTG-tagged
- Minato falling in Genjutsu

But, Genjutsu can be broken and FTG-tag can't be undone so Minato has higher chance of winning.. Simple!

A single ninja has broken Ocular Genjutsu? Let's see those scans when both the databook and the manga disagree.

 

[YellowFang]

Not so when facing Itachi.​

Not including Tsukiyomi, other Genjutsu doesn't need Sharingan or Uchiha blood to be dispelled.
Tsukiyomi is basically end-game if fight drags out to that point...

 

[shelke]

Ocular Genjutsus cannot be dispelled with Genjutsu Kai. It's ridiculous how Minato fans believe he breaks them.

 

[Uchihakil]

Ocular Genjutsus cannot be dispelled with Genjutsu Kai. It's ridiculous how Minato fans believe he breaks them.

I feel you bruh, they think minato is the special character than can dispel genjutsu when chakra monsters/sensors/kage level characters could'nt

 

[Dizzldot]

Ocular Genjutsus cannot be dispelled with Genjutsu Kai. It's ridiculous how Minato fans believe he breaks them.

scans

 

[Uchihakil]

scans

Chiyo said, if you're gonna fight an uchiha one on one, run for it
If you're fighting two on one, then one can dispell the others illusion.

And she is kage level with experience and all, and itachi aint your average uchiha, he da best in casting illusions, so yea, genjutsu is the kyouka suigetsu of naruto, in other words broken.

And you aint got no scan of nobody breaking out of it, that does'nt already have the sharingan, they'd rather not make eye contact

 

[Dizzldot]

Chiyo said, if you're gonna fight an uchiha one on one, run for it
If you're fighting two on one, then one can dispell the others illusion.

And she is kage level with experience and all, and itachi aint your average uchiha, he da best in casting illusions, so yea, genjutsu is the kyouka suigetsu of naruto, in other words broken.

And you aint got no scan of nobody breaking out of it, that does'nt already have the sharingan, they'd rather not make eye contact

Lack of evidence isn't proof in real life and especially so when it comes to a manga relying on that is a fallacy you can't tell the other side their lack of proof is proof for your point. But considering all genjutsu works the same just what starts it is different imo you can definitely break it or why else would itachi need tsukiyomi

 

[Uchihakil]

Lack of evidence isn't proof in real life and especially so when it comes to a manga relying on that is a fallacy you can't tell the other side their lack of proof is proof for your point. But considering all genjutsu works the same just what starts it is different imo you can definitely break it or why else would itachi need tsukiyomi

You the one with no proof, NOBODY!!! I repeat NOBODY has ever broken out of 3 tomoe genjutsu (aside from jins and sharingan users), your cute lil pun aint saving minato, minato is neither a jin nor has a sharingan, so he f*cked, none of the kage level characters could break out of genjutsu (so what makes minato special if I may ask?)
- Large reserves? Ay was said to have bijuu level chakra and still got caught
- sensing, cee is a sensor and a better sensor than minato, also had intel on genjutsu and still got shat on.
- oro has a 5 in genjutsu in the DB and still got shat on by itachi

Whatelse??? A wife lol???

 

[TillIFoundOut]

You the one with no proof, NOBODY!!! I repeat NOBODY has ever broken out of 3 tomoe genjutsu (aside from jins and sharingan users), your cute lil pun aint saving minato, minato is neither a jin nor has a sharingan, so he f*cked, none of the kage level characters could break out of genjutsu (so what makes minato special if I may ask?)
- Large reserves? Ay was said to have bijuu level chakra and still got caught
- sensing, cee is a sensor and a better sensor than minato, also had intel on genjutsu and still got shat on.
- oro has a 5 in genjutsu in the DB and still got shat on by itachi

Whatelse??? A wife lol???

Why should I try harder when you can't give me an answer to Sage mode Minato?
And if were gonna do Minato vs Itachi, lets include their full abilities what you scared of bruh?