Can Itachi do this...?

[lanakui8]

That's a bad example you're using, how would he seal a tbb when it's an incoming projectile?
He has SHOWN however that he can seal chakra into someone else.. he took his and his wife's chakra and sealed it into naruto.. so your argument that chakra can't be sealed is completely false

how would minato not being able to seal a TBB because it's a projectile be any different from not extrapolating totsuka's abilities to seal things that don't have souls? Both are giving them feats that the manga does not necessarily show they don't have, without a burden of proof to prove that they actually have that ability.

you seem to not get that the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of abscence.. those no limit statements aren't proven wrong, just as they haven't been proven correct.. you can't claim their incorrect nature as you don't have the evidence to support your claim.. just as I can't claim their correct nature due to the very same lack of evidence

In a manga where we have limited feats and showings, absence of evidence IS evidence of absence. Going by this same criteria you are using, I could easily extrapolate any characters abilities far beyond their canonical limits and give you the same 'absence of evidence isn't evidence of absense' argument. I could say BM Naruto can make 1,000 BM clones all who can spam super bijuudamas and use flash shunshin, and give you the same absence of evidence argument since he never attempted to do so. The same applies for many techniques and character abilities.

What I am saying, is that it isn't really a no limit statement because it can seal other things.. Fuinjutsu on the WHOLE as ive said already, have been seen capable of sealing inanimate objects, souls AND chakra alike... so you CANNOT dispute this fact..... and by that very nature, totsuka sword , which is imbued with sealing jutsu, would be able to do the same as already portrayed in the manga

Fuuinjutsu is a broad category of techniques that seal different things, just having the label fuijutsu does not mean it gets the feats and abilities of all the fuinjutsus. It has not shown those abilities in the manga canon and by the databook entry on the other page, I did not see the quote you made about it being able to seal anything it pierces, I only saw the quote specifically talking about it sealing personal beings.

 

[lanakui8]

I can see your bot serious and their is no such rubbish. You should leave and troll somewhere else

I am very serious, and would be easy for anyone who is reading our discussion that you would be the one who is not serious since you make these accusations without putting anything on the line. Debate honestly, reread the scan and the ENTIRE SCAN, and you'll easily find the place where it says that raikiri cuts through anything.

 

[Blaze Release]

This thread rivals those hashirama;s fans used to create to state that, Hiruzen cannot beat ems + kyuubi madara.
What i always say to them is that, naruto is created around match up's, and its not always the stronger opponent wins.

It seems you are trying to ask if itachi would succeed where minato AND kushina did. People always forget, kushina. Yet she played a vital role, against kurama with the chakra chains and barrier which subdued the beast to allow minato to seal it. Ill answer your question accordingly:

1. Apart from genjutsu, the only possible means for itachi would be amaterasu which will hurt even kurama.
2. Bijuu dama charge is usually slow. That is more than enough time for itachi to evade it. Can the yata mirror possible block it possibly.
3. I believe it can, however there might be a limit of how much chakra it can contain
4. Land a hit on a zombie?. If its obito, its true another jikukan user would prove to be obito's downfall, however we have seen in his other fights that he has been damaged. He needs to materialise to attack. Itachi has much faster ninjutsu execution than him

 

[blake spartan]

lol if your trying to put itachi in minato's role ... Hmmm lets just say thr would be no konoha first itachi would'nt even save naruto in that case but if he does he won't stop a bijuudama and if he does by plot he won't get out of obito's ms jutsu you should of rather made a itachi vs obito thread cause only minato can handle all that

besides obito would win. itachi's got nothing on obito ... Besides obito gave sasuke itachi's eyes who in thr right mind would give some1 ems if they can't stop him obito hands down strongest uchiha plus he only has 1 eye lol

 

[~Uzumaki~]

This thread rivals those hashirama;s fans used to create to state that, Hiruzen cannot beat ems + kyuubi madara.
What i always say to them is that, naruto is created around match up's, and its not always the stronger opponent wins.

It seems you are trying to ask if itachi would succeed where minato AND kushina did. People always forget, kushina. Yet she played a vital role, against kurama with the chakra chains and barrier which subdued the beast to allow minato to seal it. Ill answer your question accordingly:

1. Apart from genjutsu, the only possible means for itachi would be amaterasu which will hurt even kurama.
2. Bijuu dama charge is usually slow. That is more than enough time for itachi to evade it. Can the yata mirror possible block it possibly.
3. I believe it can, however there might be a limit of how much chakra it can contain
4. Land a hit on a zombie?. If its obito, its true another jikukan user would prove to be obito's downfall, however we have seen in his other fights that he has been damaged. He needs to materialise to attack. Itachi has much faster ninjutsu execution than him

Kushina's role was very key, however, her position was the barrier, which if you read the manga, Minato was about to set up. He muttered something about having to put one up. He never expected her to do a thing, he had already planned on what he'd do with the Kyubi

Itachi's ninjutsu exectuion isn't faster than Obito. Obito got a sensor like Fu, even got Minato with a combination of chains and his Kamui, got KM Naruto with a trick of Madara's fan, let's not forget his Mokuton that captured BM Naruto for a while.

I think you might be forgetting the multiple bijuudama that both Kurama and Gyuki fired at the Ten Tails, they shoot while they were still flying back from his attack.

Hurting Kurama has never actually been accomplished. He's never howled in Pain, he recovered from the full brunt of a Rasenshuriken is seconds(half of his strength), his stamina is his strong point. Not to mention the fact that he's under genjutsu which means his own willpower is usurped.


I believe the Yata Mirror would defend against Bijuudama of any size, just like Rikudo's treasures can seal anything. Mystical items have unlimited power.

 

[blake spartan]

This thread rivals those hashirama;s fans used to create to state that, Hiruzen cannot beat ems + kyuubi madara.
What i always say to them is that, naruto is created around match up's, and its not always the stronger opponent wins.

It seems you are trying to ask if itachi would succeed where minato AND kushina did. People always forget, kushina. Yet she played a vital role, against kurama with the chakra chains and barrier which subdued the beast to allow minato to seal it. Ill answer your question accordingly:

1. Apart from genjutsu, the only possible means for itachi would be amaterasu which will hurt even kurama.
2. Bijuu dama charge is usually slow. That is more than enough time for itachi to evade it. Can the yata mirror possible block it possibly.
3. I believe it can, however there might be a limit of how much chakra it can contain
4. Land a hit on a zombie?. If its obito, its true another jikukan user would prove to be obito's downfall, however we have seen in his other fights that he has been damaged. He needs to materialise to attack. Itachi has much faster ninjutsu execution than him

i respect your comment blaze but you listed counter but your looking at it from a different view firstly itachi would of had to fight obito,save his child and wife so they would have to fight in that room whr naruto was born so the nine tails would of been released naruto would be died and then obito would vs itachi.

ftg played a very big part in that fight believe it or not. Besides i agree itachi is fast but if you believe itachi's thinking and jutsu speed's will be fast enough to hit obito then you can basicly say itachi is faster then bm and kcm naruto remember only ppl to hurt obito is space time user minato and space time user kakashi with naruto's help.

 

[the last shinobi]

itachi's tsukuyomi freely manipulates time ..... and is more effective than obitos genjutsu ...... so itachis genjutsu being stronger if cast can break kyuubi from obitos control and once that is done the kyuubi is his for the fight ...........

The reason I believe he has to manipulate time is because he can only use for short periods of time example the toll it took him after he used it on kakashi. An obito has much deeper chakra than itachi

 

[Blaze Release]

Kushina's role was very key, however, her position was the barrier, which if you read the manga, Minato was about to set up. He muttered something about having to put one up. He never expected her to do a thing, he had already planned on what he'd do with the Kyubi

At least you are the first person who admits kushina's contribution, something that still baffles me when people state otherwise. Selective reading perhaps?. If my memeory serves me right, minato was thinking to himself that he has on low reserves, in the end its kushina's chains that subdued kurama. Also note that the chains and barrier though from the same source are two different technique things so whilst minato can use a barrier technique, (though we have no idea what barrier technique he was talking about), the chakra chains which was what subdued kurama is something i am not sure off

Itachi's ninjutsu exectuion isn't faster than Obito. Obito got a sensor like Fu, even got Minato with a combination of chains and his Kamui, got KM Naruto with a trick of Madara's fan, let's not forget his Mokuton that captured BM Naruto for a while.

Obito doesn't have faster ninjutsu execution than itachi. Its absurd to even think this. Yes he uses his jikukin effective, however when it comes to who will produce a technique faster outside of kamui, itachi is always favourite

I think you might be forgetting the multiple bijuudama that both Kurama and Gyuki fired at the Ten Tails, they shoot while they were still flying back from his attack.

Nope i didn't and that is why i said "Bijuu dama charge is usually slow."

Hurting Kurama has never actually been accomplished. He's never howled in Pain, he recovered from the full brunt of a Rasenshuriken is seconds(half of his strength), his stamina is his strong point. Not to mention the fact that he's under genjutsu which means his own willpower is usurped.

Nice and all but that fight was in naruto's mind, it isn't a worthy enough feat if it more like a portrayal than aything.
Also it is rather obvious that amaterasu which will continuously burn for a few days will cause even kurama trouble. Also grahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Seems like pain to me [

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I believe the Yata Mirror would defend against Bijuudama of any size, just like Rikudo's treasures can seal anything. Mystical items have unlimited power.

Tbh we have seen madara's gunbai deflect it. Lately we have seen the bijuu dama get dehyped, when bee can tank his own. hashirama;s technique grabbed it and susano tanked it. Rashomon was also effective against it. Its within reason to believe something with the hype like the yata no kagami would not do to bad against it.

I came to reply to somebody's pm though so i think ill stop here

 

[stoikis]

obito with nine tails would rape itachi ! itachi has no counter to kamui.He is a weaker genjutsu user than obito who controlled yagura a perfect jinchuriky.

 

[Bogard]

For me Obito was already stronger than every version of Itachi we've seen so far mainly because of his superiority in stamina. Itachi can't use his MS for long(3 use seemed to be his limit) when Obito could spam it continuously and because of the haxness of the technique, Itachi can't hope to hit him. Close combat is also forbidden for Itachi and using long range attacks against Obito is meaningless. Even his defense would be meaningless since thanks to Kamui, Obito could go thru it with relative ease. In this case, he has absolute no way to win. Even Izanami needs 2same body sensation to operate.

Trying to go close combat against a ghost who can take the opportunity anytime to warp you is clearly not a good idea especially since the guy like you also has Sharingan precognition and knows about the jutsu as well and like stated you even need to repeat the same body sensation 2times. In this case, i give Itachi no hope at winning against Obito alone, let alone him with nine tails but of course that's just my opinion

 

[NarutoKage2]

Lot of responses to answer to in this thread.... i plan to answer as many as i can. Ive skimmed through the responses and some points:

While the yatas mirror argument can go either way, even tho i dont think its blocking a tbb, its still somewhat debatable. But for anyone who thinks that totsuka will seal the kyuubi, as in pierce the strongest bijuu and permanently seal away its entire entity, a feat even the So6p couldnt do, youre just a retarded itachi fanboy that needs to get locked in an institution before you spew more crap, and it gets contagious. Ok thanks bye ill get to the detailed responses later.

 

[blazekev90]

i respect your comment blaze but you listed counter but your looking at it from a different view firstly itachi would of had to fight obito,save his child and wife so they would have to fight in that room whr naruto was born so the nine tails would of been released naruto would be died and then obito would vs itachi.

ftg played a very big part in that fight believe it or not. Besides i agree itachi is fast but if you believe itachi's thinking and jutsu speed's will be fast enough to hit obito then you can basicly say itachi is faster then bm and kcm naruto remember only ppl to hurt obito is space time user minato and space time user kakashi with naruto's help.

How is this relevant??? Obviously Minato is better suited for the removal of his wife and child. Hence it was a previously placed tag that allowed him to even accomplish that.

Instead this should just be about how Itachi fairs against Tobi and the Kybuui.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Since Kurama is concerned here, Itachi will be forced to rely on Susano'o for defence. Whether or not Totsuka is relevant here is pointless, Itachi can always Amaterasu Kurama, which as we know, burns for 7 days and 7 nights. There's only one problem here, Itachi has no means of actually touching Obito. Minato was the perfect match against Obito, being he's an avid user of the Flying thunder God. If caught, Itachi has no means of escaping Kamui. I don't believe the Totsuka blade will help Itachi out here, Obito's body's literally in another dimension. Saying the Totsuka blade can pierce him is like me saying Nagato can Shinra tensei Naruto while he's in the cloud, and Nagato's in the leaf. It just doesn't work. Tsukuyomi, I don't believe this will work. Itachi, while facing Kakashi claimed only an Uchiha, who shares the same blood as he, is able to break it.

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. Obito, with the MS, along with the Senju DNA the OP granted him, should be able to break Tsukuyomi. Amaterasu, in my opinion is also useless against Kamui. Before some on you refer to when Sasuke used it on Obito, understand that Obito had no idea Itachi planted it in his eye, thus it came as a surprise to him. Obito quickly countered this with Izanagi though.

Ultimately, I say Obito wins.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

At least you are the first person who admits kushina's contribution, something that still baffles me when people state otherwise. Selective reading perhaps?. If my memeory serves me right, minato was thinking to himself that he has on low reserves, in the end its kushina's chains that subdued kurama. Also note that the chains and barrier though from the same source are two different technique things so whilst minato can use a barrier technique, (though we have no idea what barrier technique he was talking about), the chakra chains which was what subdued kurama is something i am not sure off



Obito doesn't have faster ninjutsu execution than itachi. Its absurd to even think this. Yes he uses his jikukin effective, however when it comes to who will produce a technique faster outside of kamui, itachi is always favourite



Nope i didn't and that is why i said "Bijuu dama charge is usually slow."



Nice and all but that fight was in naruto's mind, it isn't a worthy enough feat if it more like a portrayal than aything.
Also it is rather obvious that amaterasu which will continuously burn for a few days will cause even kurama trouble. Also grahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Seems like pain to me [

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Tbh we have seen madara's gunbai deflect it. Lately we have seen the bijuu dama get dehyped, when bee can tank his own. hashirama;s technique grabbed it and susano tanked it. Rashomon was also effective against it. Its within reason to believe something with the hype like the yata no kagami would not do to bad against it.

I came to reply to somebody's pm though so i think ill stop here

Of course Kushina was important. She alone would have restrained and sealed the Kyubi into herself, if not for Minato's meddling. Maybe she's been too obscure for too long, that's why peopole didn't really register her contribution. Its like how everybody's only just recently remembering that Tobirama was skilled

I think Minato would have had the means to restrain it. He after all, didn't expect to keep fighting it as his chakra was dreadfully low, but we'll never really know I guess.


Obito's attacks center around his Kamui. With that, he's captured Minato with chains, BM Naruto with Mokuton, KM Naruto with chain connected to fan. He even used spikes from his eyes to restrain Bee. His Kamui increases the effectiveness of every move. That the real reason he's very dangerous actually.


Like all techniques, Bijuudama is now commonplace. Just means Kishi is upping what is consider 'normal level' for major characters. Remember when Chidori was amazing? XD


I think Kyubi was more roaring than screaming there. It can't really speak so what else can it do. Similar to how Sasuke roared when he broke Danzo's Juin.

 

[NarutoKage2]

This thread rivals those hashirama;s fans used to create to state that, Hiruzen cannot beat ems + kyuubi madara.
What i always say to them is that, naruto is created around match up's, and its not always the stronger opponent wins.

It seems you are trying to ask if itachi would succeed where minato AND kushina did. People always forget, kushina. Yet she played a vital role, against kurama with the chakra chains and barrier which subdued the beast to allow minato to seal it. Ill answer your question accordingly:

1. Apart from genjutsu, the only possible means for itachi would be amaterasu which will hurt even kurama.
2. Bijuu dama charge is usually slow. That is more than enough time for itachi to evade it. Can the yata mirror possible block it possibly.
3. I believe it can, however there might be a limit of how much chakra it can contain
4. Land a hit on a zombie?. If its obito, its true another jikukan user would prove to be obito's downfall, however we have seen in his other fights that he has been damaged. He needs to materialise to attack. Itachi has much faster ninjutsu execution than him

My intention was not to copy any of those threads, my friend.
Definitely naruto rrvolves around match ups.
Actually this has nothing to do with kushina or minato, itachi isnt defending a village here.
1. Ametarasu cannot do much to a being that it was canonically stated one swipe of its tails caused a tsunami. Kyubi tail slash i think can push the air around the black flames before they hit...look, the kyuubi has been around since the first uchiha, he isnt gonna get killed that easily.
2.Obito isnt gonna stand around and watch. He will attack with the kyuubi, leaving itachi little to no time.
3. Its conceptually impossible to seal all of kurama=manga fact.
4.Sorry but manga shows post madara meet, obito reflexes>>itachis. See what he did to the hidden mist shinobi, or to naruto kakashi and guy. He was able to anticipate guys kick when he was trying to kamui naruto. Guys base speed>> itachis.

Ill get to the other responses soon.

 

[AlphaScythian]

How about susanoo up and amaterasu kurama? What obito can do next?