Can Itachi do this...?

[Liquid Snake]

You need to understand the difference between hyperbole's and explaining the mechanics of something... there were hyperboles in the yata mirror description eg- it saying that even a god's attacks are useless.. but tbb is still just a tbb, and has been tanked by simply madara's susano... Itachi not only also has a perfect sussano.. but has a shield of legend.. a shield noone not even black zetsu knows how it was created...

A spiritual item that can't be broken...





Yata mirror and totsuka sword aren't materialized chakra.. don't mistake them for sussanno..
They are made of some spiritualy liquid material that's currently unknown and can even make contact with the souls of people... it's not chakra whatsoever

you say even madara's susanoo like itachi's is even near as strong lol and where did u read that itachi had PS u need EMS to unlock that fool

 

[foxyladyland]

Itachi can do anything

I've been telling them this

Itachi has only 2 clones naruto makes 1000 how can he fool naruto and obito knows more info than itachi and and quit with the jokes about itachi's susanoo ur are overestimating itachi u 4get he ran from jiraya and he the help of kisame

itachi ran from jiraiya because he didn't want to hurt the leaf and get the ninetails that's all...
im putting this itachi ran from jiraiya thing to rest right now, hw had amateratsu and jiraiya didn't know about it...
itachi could have cast that on jiraiya and killed him, over and over thanks for the help

 

[lanakui8]

You need to understand the difference between hyperbole's and explaining the mechanics of something... there were hyperboles in the yata mirror description eg- it saying that even a god's attacks are useless.. but tbb is still just a tbb, and has been tanked by simply madara's susano... Itachi not only also has a perfect sussano.. but has a shield of legend.. a shield noone not even black zetsu knows how it was created...

Any no limits statement is hyperbole unless we are given the feats of such, and it's even worse for itachi's yaata since it not only hasn't tanked a strong attack, but it's best feat is blocking paper bombs.

And Madara's susanoo did not tank a TBB. It blocked the TBB with its swords and withstood the blast radius, and was leveling up while in the explosion meaning any damage it might have sustained from the blast would have been repaired offpanel. Merely being in the explosion of a TBB is not even close to taking a direct hit like Bee, the juubi or BM Naruto did.

And of course, itachi's susanoo is like 1/50th of the size of Madara's unstabalized perfect susanoo, so that feat would not apply to itachi's.

A spiritual item that can't be broken...

hyperbole and no limits equal to "a famous blade that can cut anything"

 

[VongolaX]

If yaata can repel any attack because the databook says so, then Raikiri can cut through anything since the databook says so.

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thus raikiri equals yaata because they both have no limits, and anything stronger than raikiri busts yaata.

I'm wondering were you get your reading skills from, but that clearly says that raikiri can cut through lightning(which he can). NOT everything. Even sasuke use kakashi's chidori technique to cut through 4th raikages thunder armor at full power.

 

[Liquid Snake]

I've been telling them this

itachi ran from jiraiya because he didn't want to hurt the leaf and get the ninetails that's all...
im putting this itachi ran from jiraiya thing to rest right now, hw had amateratsu and jiraiya didn't know about it...
itachi could have cast that on jiraiya and killed him, over and over thanks for the help

u have no idea what jiraya knew and u 4get jiraya wasnt even in sage mode

 

[foxyladyland]

Any no limits statement is hyperbole unless we are given the feats of such, and it's even worse for itachi's yaata since it not only hasn't tanked a strong attack, but it's best feat is blocking paper bombs.

And Madara's susanoo did not tank a TBB. It blocked the TBB with its swords and withstood the blast radius, and was leveling up while in the explosion meaning any damage it might have sustained from the blast would have been repaired offpanel. Merely being in the explosion of a TBB is not even close to taking a direct hit like Bee, the juubi or BM Naruto did.

And of course, itachi's susanoo is like 1/50th of the size of Madara's unstabalized perfect susanoo, so that feat would not apply to itachi's.




hyperbole and no limits equal to "a famous blade that can cut anything"

totsuka can seal a TBB while it strikes him, it might not seal the whole thing but can seal some of it
and yata will just block the rest ha gotcha

 

[foxyladyland]

u have no idea what jiraya knew and u 4get jiraya wasnt even in sage mode

jiraiya said he didn't know what those black flames were
remember itachi used them to break jiraiya's so called unbeatable toad stomach
so jiraiya didn't know about amateratsu thanks for you

and itachi can beat anybody that exists in naruto

 

[Owarij]

Any no limits statement is hyperbole unless we are given the feats of such, and it's even worse for itachi's yaata since it not only hasn't tanked a strong attack, but it's best feat is blocking paper bombs.

And Madara's susanoo did not tank a TBB. It blocked the TBB with its swords and withstood the blast radius, and was leveling up while in the explosion meaning any damage it might have sustained from the blast would have been repaired offpanel. Merely being in the explosion of a TBB is not even close to taking a direct hit like Bee, the juubi or BM Naruto did.

And of course, itachi's susanoo is like 1/50th of the size of Madara's unstabalized perfect susanoo, so that feat would not apply to itachi's.




hyperbole and no limits equal to "a famous blade that can cut anything"

Likewise, you have no idea if a normal perfect susanno can tank a tbb don't you, so it would be unwise to claim any side... it's impossible to know untill shown since attributing madara's feats to others would be bad logic..

Untill a sasuke vs naruto fight is shown, the whole argument of tbb vs susanno won't end

But untill then Itachi has two levels of defences, a unbreakable shield of yata mirror to which its limits are unknown to us, and his perfect sussano

 

[Liquid Snake]

jiraiya said he didn't know what those black flames were
remember itachi used them to break jiraiya's so called unbeatable toad stomach
so jiraiya didn't know about amateratsu thanks for you

and itachi can beat anybody that exists in naruto

jiraya didnt even use his full power and itachi used up all his chakra to get out of one attack and u say he beats anybody? pain will destroy him killer bee will beat him Naruto will beat him madara, hashi, tobirama, obito and a couple more will beat him

 

[Liquid Snake]

Likewise, you have no idea if a normal perfect susanno can tank a tbb don't you, so it would be unwise to claim any side... it's impossible to know untill shown since attributing madara's feats to others would be bad logic..

Untill a sasuke vs naruto fight is shown, the whole argument of tbb vs susanno won't end

But untill then Itachi has two levels of defences, a unbreakable shield of yata mirror to which its limits are unknown to us, and his perfect sussano

where is itachi's Perfect susanoo? i never seen it b4

 

[lanakui8]

I'm wondering were you get your reading skills from, but that clearly says that raikiri can cut through lightning(which he can). NOT everything. Even sasuke use kakashi's chidori technique to cut through 4th raikages thunder armor at full power.

Brotherin, it would be your reading skills that should be wondered about as the scan clearly says "Kakashi's arm becomes a famous blade that can cut through anything" IN ADDITION to the statement that it cuts through lightning.

Likewise, you have no idea if a normal perfect susanno can tank a tbb don't you, so it would be unwise to claim any side... it's impossible to know untill shown since attributing madara's feats to others would be bad logic..

sure, I'm not using that event as positive evidence for the notion that a TBB would damage madara's susanoo, but I'm saying that it's not good evidence for the opposite either.

Untill a sasuke vs naruto fight is shown, the whole argument of tbb vs susanno won't end

no doubt, however we are given limits and durability feats for weaker susanoos, so it is possible to make educated conclusions based on where the current evidence leads us.

But untill then Itachi has two levels of defences, a unbreakable shield of yata mirror to which its limits are unknown to us, and his perfect sussano

Itachi doesn't have perfect susanoo.... he has armored susanoo, perfect susanoo is the one that stands taller than 100% Kurama, throws out bijuudama-level destruction with just swipes of its sword and has a penis nose.

And his yaata doesn't get its no limits statement, I can agree that it's far more durable than armored susanoo's armored layer, but nothing in this manga except for space/time gets no-limits offense and defensive properties.

totsuka can seal a TBB while it strikes him, it might not seal the whole thing but can seal some of it
and yata will just block the rest ha gotcha

totsuka has only shown the ability to seal things with souls and things that it pierces, not side-slashes.

 

[kakashi ms]

ms obito without riningan or bijus beat itachi
he can counter all itachi's jutsu but itachi can't counter kamui and intangible
it is so clear thing obito beat itachi

 

[Owarij]

where is itachi's Perfect susanoo? i never seen it b4

Oops accidentally put perfect susanno for itachi, that's something unique to madara, itachi just has his complete and final susanno

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[VongolaX]

Brotherin, it would be your reading skills that should be wondered about as the scan clearly says "Kakashi's arm becomes a famous blade that can cut through anything" IN ADDITION to the statement that it cuts through lightning.


sure, I'm not using that event as positive evidence for the notion that a TBB would damage madara's susanoo, but I'm saying that it's not good evidence for the opposite either.


no doubt, however we are given limits and durability feats for weaker susanoos, so it is possible to make educated conclusions based on where the current evidence leads us.


Itachi doesn't have perfect susanoo.... he has armored susanoo, perfect susanoo is the one that stands taller than 100% Kurama, throws out bijuudama-level destruction with just swipes of its sword and has a penis nose.

And his yaata doesn't get its no limits statement, I can agree that it's far more durable than armored susanoo's armored layer, but nothing in this manga except for space/time gets no-limits offense and defensive properties.


totsuka has only shown the ability to seal things with souls and things that it pierces, not side-slashes.

Your joking right? It clearly does not say everything

 

[Owarij]

no doubt, however we are given limits and durability feats for weaker susanoos, so it is possible to make educated conclusions based on where the current evidence leads us.

As far as I recall, noone in the manga has had their final susanno breached to the extent that we can claim that without a doubt tbb > susanno..

also as I said before, itachi also has yata mirror as back up...


I find it funny that everyone is stating tbb > susanno.. how in the world does kishi intend to make naruto fight sasuke then? I guess we'll have to wait

 

[lanakui8]

Your joking right? It clearly does not say everything

so if I show you exactly where the quote in which it says "Kakashi's arm becomes a famous blade that can cut through anything." Will you not only concede the argument, but also plus rep everyone in this thread, and leave Narutobase forever?

Are you willing to stake that on how sure you are that the quote I am mentioning does not exist?

 

[foxyladyland]

jiraya didnt even use his full power and itachi used up all his chakra to get out of one attack and u say he beats anybody? pain will destroy him killer bee will beat him Naruto will beat him madara, hashi, tobirama, obito and a couple more will beat him

itachi used up chakra fighting against kakashi and kurenai and sasuke remember...
also his fight with sasuke was a long one and he used all of his techniques that are so draining on him LOL your funny

Brotherin, it would be your reading skills that should be wondered about as the scan clearly says "Kakashi's arm becomes a famous blade that can cut through

totsuka has only shown the ability to seal things with souls and things that it pierces, not side-slashes.

I didn't say anything about side slashes, I know that... things that it pierces..
tbb is from bijuu, they are chakra made physical, they are alive, chakra lives, it can kinda pierce chakra balls and seal them in,..
while some of it gets sealed the other rest of it seperates kinda and is rubbberbanded by Yata mirror

 

[lanakui8]

As far as I recall, noone in the manga has had their final susanno breached to the extent that we can claim that without a doubt tbb > susanno..

of course that's true, I'd say that at least 90% of the claims made in NB, NF and any manga debate site are claims that we can't prove without a doubt.

also as I said before, itachi also has yata mirror as back up...

sure sure and I agree that it would massively amplify a frontal defense against anything

I find it funny that everyone is stating tbb > susanno.. how in the world does kishi intend to make naruto fight sasuke then? I guess we'll have to wait

Couple of ways how he'd let naruto fight Sasuke. Sasuke might get a super-sized yaata, he can (and most likely will) get PS swords or weaponry that can equal TBB-level firepower, and the only TBB I see that is actually greater than PS is naruto's super bijuudama since it's basically the same size, all the other ones are not > susanoo.

 

[lanakui8]

I didn't say anything about side slashes, I know that... things that it pierces..
tbb is from bijuu, they are chakra made physical, they are alive, chakra lives, it can kinda pierce chakra balls and seal them in,..
while some of it gets sealed the other rest of it seperates kinda and is rubbberbanded by Yata mirror

lol chakra is not alive, if chakra was alive than Kabuto's muki tensei would not be such an OMG ability, any shinobi could just send their chakra into something and it would come alive. And also, it not only has to be alive, but it has to have a soul which is what yaata seals. Chakra does not have a soul, thus it is not sealable.

 

[Owarij]

but it has to have a soul which is what yaata seals.

Databook never stated it can only seal things with a soul..it said it could seal anything that it pierces

We've seen in the manga, sealing isn't limited to souls in this manga