can Danzo defeat minato

[Kakashi Fang]

sasuke was way noob then why didnt danzo won against him via izangi and kotoamatsukami.:flaw:

Dumbass Kotoamatsukami can only be used once in a day.
Danzo was trying to recharge it but was unable to because he was in battle and was depleted of chakra.

If Danzo went into battle fresh against Sasuke then Sasuke would be dead or plot no jutsu would have been released and Tobi would have saved him.

 

[ajpn920]

Ofc Minato wouldn't know of shishui's eyes or its capabilities , he died a long time ago before shishui was an adult, and Kotoamatsuki does not require eye contact, For eg- Danzo's eye was covered with a bandage and he casted it on Mifune during the Kage summit

You maybe be right about that but until proven, we can say that Minato can't be trapped by a genjutsu. Take his fight with Tobi as an example. Why would a proficient genjutsu user like Tobi failed to use his sharingan on Minato? He failed not once but many times. He was planning to destroy Konoha but why didn't he use his advantage? It doesn't make sense.

Tobi failed to use his sharingan before the battle, during the battle, and after the battle. He took naruto as a hostage the 1st time they met. It doesn't make sense why he was unable to use genjutsu when all he wants is konoha's destruction. He could put Minato in a genjutsu like what he did to Yagura and the fox and order him to destroy the village.

Tobi was able to control the fox and yagura (one of the few people mentioned by Danzo to have achieved full control over their respective beast). From these feats, we can say that Tobi is a proficient genjutsu user. It was said that Madara uses his EMS to control the fox. Tobi was able to control the fox. What does this mean?

The most logical reason I can think of why Tobi failed to use genjutsu on Minato is that Minato can't be controlled by a genjutsu. I am speculating but in the most logical way. I don't count KA as an immediate win for Danzo.

 

[Crade]

No, what i think would happen is ftg until he cant use Inzangi anymore then one last ftg with huge rasengan

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

You maybe be right about that but until proven, we can say that Minato can't be trapped by a genjutsu. Take his fight with Tobi as an example. Why would a proficient genjutsu user like Tobi failed to use his sharingan on Minato? He failed not once but many times. He was planning to destroy Konoha but why didn't he use his advantage? It doesn't make sense.

Tobi failed to use his sharingan before the battle, during the battle, and after the battle. He took naruto as a hostage the 1st time they met. It doesn't make sense why he was unable to use genjutsu when all he wants is konoha's destruction. He could put Minato in a genjutsu like what he did to Yagura and the fox and order him to destroy the village.

Tobi was able to control the fox and yagura (one of the few people mentioned by Danzo to have achieved full control over their respective beast). From these feats, we can say that Tobi is a proficient genjutsu user. It was said that Madara uses his EMS to control the fox. Tobi was able to control the fox. What does this mean?

The most logical reason I can think of why Tobi failed to use genjutsu on Minato is that Minato can't be controlled by a genjutsu. I am speculating but in the most logical way. I don't count KA as an immediate win for Danzo.

Owarij gonna eat u alive with that statement

 

[hghland smeg head]

no

 

[ajpn920]

Owarij gonna eat u alive with that statement

It's my opinion. Whatever reason he can think of about that incident is also speculation. Let's try to look both sides so we can come up with an answer in the most logical way.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

manga facts > personal Opinion

 

[ajpn920]

manga facts > personal Opinion

You are correct! Can you provide facts on why Tobi was not able to use genjutsu against Minato? I bet you can't because whatever reason you have in your mind right now can't be supported by any evidence. Thus, we are both the same. Just SPECULATING! The problem here now is whether your assumption is logical enough.

By the way, in every problem there's a solution. A problem can't be a problem if it is not meant to be solved. Like in every algebra problem, you need to formulate the equation and use every given info possible to come up with a solution. The given info can be considered a FACT if it is true. With my example with Tobi, it is TRUE that he was not able to use genjutsu on Minato and this is a FACT supported by evidence. Now, let's ask ourselves why Tobi was not able to use genjutsu on Minato.

Facts are needed to prove something but sometimes facts are just given in any other form. This facts are meant to be searched and with the help of our ANALYZATION skills plus COMMON SENSE, an answer can be achieved. This is the reason why we have to analyze and use our common sense to get an answer to every mystery Kishi created.

 

[Frank Uzumaki]

No

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

You are correct! Can you provide facts on why Tobi was not able to use genjutsu against Minato? I bet you can't because whatever reason you have in your mind right now can't be supported by any evidence. Thus, we are both the same. Just SPECULATING! The problem here now is whether your assumption is logical enough.

By the way, in every problem there's a solution. A problem can't be a problem if it is not meant to be solved. Like in every algebra problem, you need to formulate the equation and use every given info possible to come up with a solution. The given info can be considered a FACT if it is true. With my example with Tobi, it is TRUE that he was not able to use genjutsu on Minato and this is a FACT supported by evidence. Now, let's ask ourselves why Tobi was not able to use genjutsu on Minato.

Facts are needed to prove something but sometimes facts are just given in any other form. This facts are meant to be searched and with the help of our ANALYZATION skills plus COMMON SENSE, an answer can be achieved. This is the reason why we have to analyze and use our common sense to get an answer to every mystery Kishi created.

1st of all tobi never attempted to use genjutsu on minato, but that doesn't mean he can't use it on minato,

and there is no such thing someone immune to genjutsu even the perfect jin can get caught inside genjutsu before they dispel it,

am gonna leave it at that i'll leave the rest to Owarij, since i have no business in this thread

 

[ajpn920]

1st of all tobi never attempted to use genjutsu on minato, but that doesn't mean he can't use it on minato,

and there is no such thing someone immune to genjutsu even the perfect jin can get caught inside genjutsu before they dispel it,

am gonna leave it at that i'll leave the rest to Owarij, since i have no business in this thread

Never attempted? Are you out of your mind? He attempted to destroy the village. He should have used everything to make his plan successful. A proficient genjutsu user did not attempt to use his only advantage and chose to retreat because he was defeated? He could control Minato and order him to destroy the village. Why would he not attempt? It does not make any sense.

I don't mean to belittle you but the way you analyze things is worst. It doesn't make any sense. In every Minato vs Uchiha battle, genjutsu are your defense. You jump ahead that the user will cast genjutsu on Minato to win the battle. Why think that way? It is because genjutsu is their advantage right? Now, how come you think differently with Tobi?

You just can't accept that there would be someone special enough that could not be controlled by the famous sharingan. Now, between the two reasons that we have provided, which do you think is more logical and have sense?

 

[blazekev90]

Smh at ppl saying Minato is immune to genjutsu, I've heard it all now.

 

[Yanto]

No..he can't

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Never attempted? Are you out of your mind? He attempted to destroy the village. He should have used everything to make his plan successful. A proficient genjutsu user did not attempt to use his only advantage and chose to retreat because he was defeated? He could control Minato and order him to destroy the village. Why would he not attempt? It does not make any sense.

I don't mean to belittle you but the way you analyze things is worst. It doesn't make any sense. In every Minato vs Uchiha battle, genjutsu are your defense. You jump ahead that the user will cast genjutsu on Minato to win the battle. Why think that way? It is because genjutsu is their advantage right? Now, how come you think differently with Tobi?

You just can't accept that there would be someone special enough that could not be controlled by the famous sharingan. Now, between the two reasons that we have provided, which do you think is more logical and have sense?

LOL u are taking this to far by speculating to your own liking and started to ignore facts that appear in manga and above all that u prefer ur own opinion instead Manga page, my advice u should have create ur own manga

its true that tobi never attempted to use genjutsu on minato, if u have manga page that show tobi attempt to use genjutsu on minato then bring it, i do not want to hear ur one sided reasoning about minato,

its not like i can't accept it LOL but in the entire series the author never mention about someone being immune to any genjutsu(not only sharingan but all kind genjutsu) i will gladly accept it if u can show me the manga pages where it stated that minato is IMMUNE to genjutsu.

by the way if u can't bring manga pages to support ur analyzing then don't bother to reply

Smh at ppl saying Minato is immune to genjutsu, I've heard it all now.

i know dude is just absurd

 

[iSpeak]

What am I hearing about Minato being immune to the most powerful genjutsu in existence?
Yawn... Minato fans these days. But I would expect to hear something like that from ajpn920.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

^ i can feel ya dude

 

[ajpn920]

LOL u are taking this to far by speculating to your own liking and started to ignore facts that appear in manga and above all that u prefer ur own opinion instead Manga page, my advice u should have create ur own manga

its true that tobi never attempted to use genjutsu on minato, if u have manga page that show tobi attempt to use genjutsu on minato then bring it, i do not want to hear ur one sided reasoning about minato,

its not like i can't accept it LOL but in the entire series the author never mention about someone being immune to any genjutsu(not only sharingan but all kind genjutsu) i will gladly accept it if u can show me the manga pages where it stated that minato is IMMUNE to genjutsu.

by the way if u can't bring manga pages to support ur analyzing then don't bother to reply

FACTS? Do you have that to support your claim? You are also speculating but it is not logical enough because it defeats Tobi's plan to destroy the village. As I have told you, whatever reason we have in mind is purely speculation. You can't also support your claim. Try to compare our claims and ask yourself WHY DIDN'T he attempt to use his genjutsu?

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

by that logic i can also stated that all the 5 kage is immune to genjutsu since when tobi give his speech about the 10 tails at the summit why don't he use genjutsu to make them all agree to gave the 8 tails and 9 tails LOL

 

[silmarill]

Danzo wins. I don't understand why people underrated arguably the 2 greatest genjutsu's in the show U_U

because if a little uchiha kiddy raging noob could defeat danzo then why wouldnt minato be able to do so also..

 

[Blaze Release]

Lulz, some of the posts in this thread is rather interesting