Can it? Theoretically yes, and I'm pretty sure neji could of one shotted hinata like so in the ce. We've never seen it though, or anything even really close tbh. Maybe not instant, but I think a one hit kill is possible
neji only showed it in part 2
but a better argument would be if vaccum palm can kill via that application normal gentle fist will do since a single hit can do both precise and mass amount of damage.and so will twin lion that is more destructive
still they are applied to land multiple hits on opponent
the impact was shown above the water surface and it was looking like a nuclear explosion
and @bold , yes I know what a nuclear explosion is , I was just saying the attack was looking like a nuclear explosion , because the impact that Kisame tanked was shown above the water surface
sure it was weakened by it a little , but that is not the point of the argument , my point is that he has tanked much more destructive impact than the air fist palm
So this changes what.Yeah he has superhuman strength.The point when everyone already know that.
and then there is the fact gai wanted to capture kisame alive to extract info about Akatsuki but hey you skipped that part and i was the one who cherrypicked :lol
it does have the aspects of the gentle fist because it is compressed by it , but it does not thrust through chakra points , it thrusts through the Vital points , and with physical impact , not blunt force , because it is a vacuum shell , and if it didn't Damage Kisame then that proves that it didn't hit his vitals , that doesn't prove that a hard hit on the vital points is not an instant kill
man , you are really pointless , I have already stated an evidence , but you just keep acting like this
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just lesson to the reason for once , it was stained that it strikes "vital points" , and the vital points on the head is an instant kill , it is a common knowledge , it is just like telling me that copping off the head with the simple Kunai is not an instant kill
and don't @ me with "it is not the same case" , because it is , hitting the Vital points on the head would stop the blood flow to the head which would lead to death , so yeah , it is the same case
Oh so basically a fanfiction based on databook with no backup whatsoever damn.
Neji the genius is now a retard not to apply one hit kill on kisame.Hinata is another retard according to you to not apply one hit kill on juubi clone but to opt for a jutsu that she had never used before
it is just a fictional story , ya' know that there is something called plot , don't ya ?
but okay I will play by your rules ,maybe Hinata didn't hit the juubi because it does not have Vitals since it is hollowed , and maybe Neji didn't strike Kisame on the head because he didn't have a chance to (I said maybe)
but my point that it is just a fictional story , and fictional character are being manipulated by the writer
nope , but based on the way that Kakashi was acting , but since you are the same one who thought that when Neji was saying "my eyes can see the chakra points " , that he meant "I am the only one who can see the chakra points" , I don't expect you to get it
and if someone is able to block 64 chakra points in a matter of seconds, then it is really easy for him to block one or two chakra points easily
and nope , I am not speaking of the dim wak a.k.a the death touch because there is still no scientific evidence that the “Death Touch” or the pressing of other pressure points can lead to death
but you can say that certain fight movements like a heavy blow(not a simple touch) to the temple or an obstruction of the breathing tubes, can certainly lead to dizziness, lack of oxygen, unconsciousness — and in severe cases, death
Can it? Theoretically yes, and I'm pretty sure neji could of one shotted hinata like so in the ce. We've never seen it though, or anything even really close tbh. Maybe not instant, but I think a one hit kill is possible
actually , it is true that we haven't really seen it , but it was stained in the Databook that it strikes the vital points , and a forceful strike on a vital point on the base of the brain can cause an instant death, so I just used the DB and some common knowledge in the martial arts ,
but it is just a theory , the writers can use plot no jutsu anytime , so who knows ?
neji only showed it in part 2
but a better argument would be if vaccum palm can kill via that application normal gentle fist will do since a single hit can do both precise and mass amount of damage.and so will twin lion that is more destructive
still they are applied to land multiple hits on opponent
actually , it is true that we haven't really seen it , but it was stained in the Databook that it strikes the vital points , and a forceful strike on a vital point on the base of the brain can cause an instant death, so I just used the DB and some common knowledge in the martial arts ,
but it is just a theory , the writers can use plot no jutsu anytime , so who knows ?
the impact was shown above the water surface and it was looking like a nuclear explosion
and @bold , yes I know what a nuclear explosion is , I was just saying the attack was looking like a nuclear explosion , because the impact that Kisame tanked was shown above the water surface
Not even close :lol it looks nothing like nuclear explosion
sure it was weakened by it a little , but that is not the point of the argument , my point is that he has tanked much more destructive impact than the air fist palm
do you see him captured despite the fact gai could easily finish him.why
becoz they needed him captured alive for info
it does have the aspects of the gentle fist because it is compressed by it , but it does not thrust through chakra points , it thrusts through the Vital points , and with physical impact , not blunt force , because it is a vacuum shell , and if it didn't Damage Kisame then that proves that it didn't hit his vitals , that doesn't prove that a hard hit on the vital points is not an instant kill
first Kisame was not stroke in the head , second it didn't make it through to his Vital points
this post just proves how desperetely you are trying to ignore that db scan
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Neji detected kisame's vital spot and struck kisame before kisame even realised.But according to you neji did not hit the vitals so why the hell did he detect it in first place
oh wait to strike vital spot maybe
just lesson to the reason for once , it was stained that it strikes "vital points" , and the vital points on the head is an instant kill , it is a common knowledge , it is just like telling me that copping off the head with the simple Kunai is not an instant kill
and don't @ me with "it is not the same case" , because it is , hitting the Vital points on the head would stop the blood flow to the head which would lead to death , so yeah , it is the same case
and nope , I am not speaking of the dim wak a.k.a the death touch because there is still no scientific evidence that the “Death Touch” or the pressing of other pressure points can lead to death
but you can say that certain fight movements like a heavy blow(not a simple touch) to the temple or an obstruction of the breathing tubes, can certainly lead to dizziness, lack of oxygen, unconsciousness — and in severe cases, death
A vital point is a pressure sensitive point on or near the surface of the human body. Vital points function like gateways to the nervous system, the main controller of the body, allowing you to use pain to influence the actions and reactions of an opponent. Even a single strike can cause serious damage, unconsciousness or, in rare cases, death
actually you are the one who start to show desperation ,
Vital points =/= chakra points
Vital points are located on the Vitals of the body
Chakra points are located in the Chakra system of the body
if some vital points got stroke , it will stop the flow of the blood through the body
if a chakra points is blocked , it would stop the chakra flow of the body
Vital points are real , while Chakra points are just fictional
totally not the same :lol
that includes ninja's being far more resistive than normal human beings which you are repeateadly comparing them to
but okay I will play by your rules ,maybe Hinata didn't hit the juubi because it does not have Vitals since it is hollowed , and maybe Neji didn't strike Kisame on the head because he didn't have a chance to (I said maybe)
but my point that it is just a fictional story , and fictional character are being manipulated by the writer
nope , but based on the way that Kakashi was acting , but since you are the same one who thought that when Neji was saying "my eyes can see the chakra points " , that he meant "I am the only one who can see the chakra points" , I don't expect you to get it
agreed i did not read that part but you just killed your own thread
but you can say that certain fight movements like a heavy blow(not a simple touch) to the temple or an obstruction of the breathing tubes, can certainly lead to dizziness, lack of oxygen, unconsciousness — and in severe cases, death
but a better argument would be if vaccum palm can kill via that application normal gentle fist will do since a single hit can do both precise and mass amount of damage.and so will twin lion that is more destructive
still they are applied to land multiple hits on opponent
What do u feel would be the result of a headshot? along with a direct shot to the heart
-Logically speaking a single shot of Jyuken is easily capable of killing especially if they strike a vital directly with full intent to destroy that single vital organ.
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-Neji didn't have to hit Hinata directly to damage muliple organs with one touch of a finger and he did the same to CM2 kido by sending a flail amount through a string so imagine getting hit by a single Jab amped by Twin Lion? If a glance of basic jyuken is enough then a single direct hit from TW should be more than enough.
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I dont really see someone surviving a single direct Lion to the chest if a single jab or Master Stroke to the heart from CE Neji with or without full intent can potentially one-shot if dead serious.
depends considering it should have resulted massive damage still neji did not opt for it
-Logically speaking a single shot of Jyuken is easily capable of killing especially if they strike a vital directly with full intent to destroy a vital organ.
So a direct hit amped with a good amount of chakra focused on a single vital should easily be able to one-shot a vital especially when amped by something like TW. I dont really see someone surviving a single direct Lion to the chest if a single Master Stroke to the heart from CE Neji could've one-shotted Hinata.
i was reading about TWL after discusion with you and realised something but wanted to confirm if the theory was okay or not
A secret high-level juuken technique, taught only to the main family of the Hyuuga clan. By changing the shape of chakra released from both hands, [the user] greatly increases reach and destructive power. The arms become entirely like lions which drain the chakra network of those they touch.
it talks about the user greatly increases his/her destructive power and also that it drains the chakra network of those they touch.
do you think that the destructive power being talked about here is of user rather jyuuken.
It would make sense that the purpose of justu would be to cause external damage[rather than internal] while also sapping away chakra with each blow.
Since jyuuken works by sending chakra inside opponents body wont it be odd for it to sap away chakra while sending it in body
Well that doesn't change the fact that the head would clearly give more of an advantage no matter how u look at it especially when considering how kisames body would react to a sudden slam to the head backwards. What im trying to say is that Neji not opting for a head-shot doesn't mean it wouldn't be a much better target logically if we were to disregard plot..
i was reading about TWL after discusion with you and realised something but wanted to confirm if the theory was okay or not
it talks about the user greatly increases his/her destructive power and also that it drains the chakra network of those they touch. do you think that the destructive power being talked about here is of user rather jyuuken. It would make sense that the purpose of justu would be to cause external damage[rather than internal] while also sapping away chakra with each blow.
-Yes i do think its destructive capability is referring to Jyuken 's internal AOE.
-Twin Lion Fist targets internally as it affects the Network which is intertwined with the innards which means that it bypasses the skin to get to where the organs are mixed in with the Chakra Network.
U can use the same logic to say 64 palms combined with Twin Lion is odd since that would entail sending surgical injections of chakra into the body while also sapping Chakra simultaneously with TW already active.
-Its not a reach to say that it does damage/destruction while also sapping chakra.
Frs was offset so the dmg wasn't going to effect him.
If he didn't have ration armor or anything a kunai would kill him. People in Naruto have died to less. To say something like air palm isn't capable of instantly killing someone is ignorance.
Even if it's the case for the 3rd. That his skin was hard enough to defend against a kunai there's multitudes of people in the entire series that's vulnerable to a lot of things.
Sasuke was at deaths door from a sword. Mangetsu drowned people with water. Kisame tanked hirudora and was eaten by sharks.
Is it likely Naruto could choke on ramen and die? Probably not. But can he? Yes. Can air palm cause instant death? Yes.
sure Gai could've killed him , but that's not my point , my point is that his hard shark skin was able to tank a forceful punch from 7th gate gai you can see the impact yourself ,
this post just proves how desperetely you are trying to ignore that db scan
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Neji detected kisame's vital spot and struck kisame before kisame even realised.But according to you neji did not hit the vitals so why the hell did he detect it in first place
oh wait to strike vital spot maybe
he did indeed detect the Vital points , but I was saying that the strike wasn't able to make it through Kisame hard shark skin to the Vital points
now , lets put this to a realistic point of view , you can't strike the vital points of someone who is armored but you can still push him
and even IF (and that's a big if) the strike was able to get through Kisame hard shark skin to the Vital points , it would only cause pain , not death :lol , because it is not pointed to the GV at the base of the brain
yes , but a normal Ninja in the NV would also die if his head is chopped off or if or if his heart got stroke , then he would also die if he was stroke on the Vital points that stops the flow of the blood to his brain
don't @ me with Hidan or Tsunade those were special cases, I said a normal Ninja , take in example Kakashi or Itachi ,(and nope , I am not saying that Itachi is a normal Ninja)
IF(and that's a big if) some Hyuga stoke Itachi while he is standing still , Itachi would die , but of course this is nearly impossible , because a sharingan user can easily see an air fist palm coming with his ocular prowess and can easily dodge it
but if someone doesn't have a shringan i.e Kisame, then it is easy to hit him with an air fist palm
but the funny thing is , you can't stand the idea of RSM Naruto cloak having a better resistance than Sasuke PS , yet you were saying that Kaguya stroke Naruto with full force :lol
For example, a forceful strike into the Wind Mansion (GV16) at the base of the brain can result in instant death. The gallbladder (on the right side of the trunk, below the liver) and the Sauce Receptacle (CV24) on the tip of the chin are targets for potential knockout blows in boxing. The carotid artery, temple and Philtrum are common targets for striking in a selfdefense situation
-Yes i do think its destructive capability is referring to Jyuken 's internal AOE.
-Twin Lion Fist targets internally as it affects the Network which is intertwined with the innards which means that it bypasses the skin to get to where the organs are mixed in with the Chakra Network.
So how do you think the injection of chakra will take place since everytime the user touch someone with TWL he will be draining chakra.so how will the injection take place
U can use the same logic to say 64 palms combined with Twin Lion is odd since that would entail sending surgical injections of chakra into the body while also sapping Chakra simultaneously with TW already active.
are you that stupid
go and compare the final size of hirudora that hit kisame and the one that destroyed madara's susanoo
even if you want to ignore it then use common sense that kisame's in no way more durable than v3 susaboo
yes , I know that Gai strike didn't hit Kisame with full force , but still it caused much more impact than a simple air fist palm
how does that matter then.Neji was out for a kill he would have opted for a kill shot rather than just blowing kisame away
sure Gai could've killed him , but that's not my point , my point is that his hard shark skin was able to tank a forceful punch from 7th gate gai you can see the impact yourself ,
yes gai did not opt to kill him since he wanted to extract information from him thus he survived the punch that was not kill him anyway.how hard is that to comprehend
he did indeed detect the Vital points , but I was saying that the strike wasn't able to make it through Kisame hard shark skin to the Vital points
so basically according to you gai's kicks and punches;naruto's kick;kunai's will affect him but vaccum palm won't
if bold was ever the case either DB or manga would have mentioned it
now , lets put this to a realistic point of view , you can't strike the vital points of someone who is armored but you can still push him
Kisame's body has been nvr said to be armoured or it wasn't even remotely implied to be armoredyes he super strength and durability but Punches and kicks have shown to make him cough blood.Kunai and chakra enhanced blade have made him bleed
it was not even remotely implied that his vitals were not hurt becoz of sharkskin
and even IF (and that's a big if) the strike was able to get through Kisame hard shark skin to the Vital points , it would only cause pain , not death :lol ,
because it is not pointed to the GV at the base of the brain yes , but a normal Ninja in the NV would also die if his head is chopped off or if or if his heart got stroke , then he would also die if he was stroke on the Vital points that stops the flow of the blood to his brain
he didn't land it on the head specially not at the base of the brain
stop cherry picking and read it again
not every Vital point can lead to death :lol , but a forceful strike GV which is located at the base of the brain can lead to certain death
yes i will agree to this part but it is not happening in heat of battle since
1.its just like saying a ninja with kunai can someone with stab in head so he gets the win
2.hyuga's have never opted for it.nor they have opted for striking pressure points in middle of battle.kisame had shown zero pain after being hit by it so we can't be certain it will be the case
If he didn't have ration armor or anything a kunai would kill him. People in Naruto have died to less. To say something like air palm isn't capable of instantly killing someone is ignorance.
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So how do you think the injection of chakra will take place since everytime the user touch someone with TWL he will be draining chakra.so how will the injection take place
Coming to that we know chakra can emitted from all chakra points of body [
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what if combining it with 64 palms allows the user drain massive amount of chakra from those points while doing physical damage
Not nuclear explosion
are you that stupid
go and compare the final size of hirudora that hit kisame and the one that destroyed madara's susanoo
even if you want to ignore it then use common sense that kisame's in no way more durable than v3 susaboo
how does that matter then.Neji was out for a kill he would have opted for a kill shot rather than just blowing kisame away
yes gai did not opt to kill him since he wanted to extract information from him thus he survived the punch that was not kill him anyway.how hard is that to comprehend
so basically according to you gai's kicks and punches;naruto's kick;kunai's will affect him but vaccum palm won't
if bold was ever the case either DB or manga would have mentioned it
Kisame's body has been nvr said to be armoured or it wasn't even remotely implied to be armoredyes he super strength and durability but Punches and kicks have shown to make him cough blood.Kunai and chakra enhanced blade have made him bleed
it was not even remotely implied that his vitals were not hurt becoz of sharkskin
which was not the case here again
yes i will agree to this part but it is not happening in heat of battle since
1.its just like saying a ninja with kunai can someone with stab in head so he gets the win
2.hyuga's have never opted for it.nor they have opted for striking pressure points in middle of battle.kisame had shown zero pain after being hit by it so we can't be certain it will be the case
I will agree i missed that
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Favorite (preferences): His greatest enjoyement existed in collecting rare valuable objects. With care he kept them together with the treasures, that were kept by his clan for generations.
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His body, hard and tough as steel, was the shield, that protected the inhabitants of the village. His iron grip, with which he could even sever the tails of a Biju, was the spear, with which he pierced through intruders. Thanks to his outstanding fighting power The Third Raikage was the pillar for the village's inhabitants par excellence.
The legendary tale, how he once faced an army of ten thousand men and lasted three days and nights long, shows the incredible determination and strength, with which he led his village.
[Image of A after being hit by FRS] ↓ With bare hands he once fought against the Hachibi. In the Fourth Ninja World War even Rasenshuriken has no effect against his steeled body.
[Image of Four-Finger Nukite] → His Nukite, in which lightning chakra is inserted, has incredible power – a spear, that is able to pierce through everything and everyone.
[Image of A facing army] ↓ He does not allow any foe to harm his village.
Even if it's the case for the 3rd. That his skin was hard enough to defend against a kunai there's multitudes of people in the entire series that's vulnerable to a lot of things.
Sasuke was at deaths door from a sword. Mangetsu drowned people withwater. Kisame tanked hirudora and was eaten by sharks.
Is it likely Naruto could choke on ramen and die? Probably not. But can he? Yes. Can air palm cause instant death? Yes.
So how do you think the injection of chakra will take place since everytime the user touch someone with TWL he will be draining chakra.so how will the injection take place
I think the user simply injects Chakra via their finger-tips while the Twin Lions remain active. The Lion tech itself is wat drains the Chakra so the user doesn't have to do any form of drainage themselves as the Jutsu while active simply drains without the user having to do anything but connect their hits and maintain Chakra control.
Im assuming that ur likening this similar to Preta path absorbing Chakra while simultaneously expelling chakra being a possible similar problem for Twin Lion?
Remember that i also said this in the Sakura thread so i share a somewat similar opinion tho Gentle fist attacks are different than the purely physical kind so i think TW follows that same example route only slightly different but still internal damage based opposed to external since it attacks the Network similar to Jyuken so i think TW simply drains + damages the Network itself just like Jyuken specifically attacking the Network with the simple difference being that TW also absorbs the enemies Chakra when it makes contact with it , unlike basic jyuken. So baiscally TW is somewat of a active Jyuken on the palms which operates as a advance Jyuken.
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TW + 64 palms seems like something meant to destroy the enemy and leave them without Chakra or life at all.
-Ever since the day i first saw 64 Palm , it was always redundant to me since a single Tenketsu or few hits can end the fight + block Chakra without having to take stances and wat not with all these being perfect examples..
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Heck even if one disregards Himewari's feat as comedy it doesn't change the fact that the location where she had struck was actually the center Tenketsu where chakra is networked theoughout the body which is the belly at the beginning of the spiral..
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So i think TW combined with 64p is basiaclly a redundant combo and it doesn't effectively mean TW requires anywhere close to 64 hits same as basic jyuken compared to 64 palms where a glance or direct hit is enough.
actually you are the one who start to show desperation , 
