Can a hiyuga use teh powers of Byakugan without Byakugan????????

[lImmortal Regis]

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Right....

 

[UnbashedMedia]

Nah most ninja learn how to release chakra from their hands and feet so all they need to do is learn forming it and releasing it like GF techs. That may require a little time not as much as you make it out to be.

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Realsing chakra from the hands and feet are just the first steps in chakra control and the only mandatory lessons taught to students.
Chakra control of the tenketsu is an entirely different matter. Characters like Kabuto and Sakura would the ones who would find learning abilities this the easiest to learn given their field and chakra precision.

Other characters who have shown to actiate them did so through exteme psychical feats such as Guy,Rock Lee and Kakashi when performing the eright inners gates.Which Kakashi is noted saying that it is extremely hard to learn even for the greatest of ninja.

Now if you are in the field of chakra control or have naturally gifted chakra control then yes you can learn these to use these techniques all i am saying utlmiately is that its not as easy just because literaly anyone could learn them because it if that was the case more people would in fact be shown using such techniques and using chakra enhanced attacks.



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[UnbashedMedia]

Right....

Does everyone on this forum have the personality of Sour Dough bread ?

 

[MightGai]

Never meant to say that you can learn rotation etc without Byakugan. I was talking about the basics xD

Actually, Kaiten would be the only technique that anyone could learn, since it's specifically made to compensate the byakugan flaw.

Gentle fist is nothing more than releasing chakra from specific parts of the body, what makes it dangerous is the ability to hit vital points, tenketsus and whatever when used together with byakugan sight, but as Ten Ten explained, Jonins can expel chakra from parts of their bodies as well. Unless specifically stated that you need byakugan to release chakra from every single part of the body at the same time, then Kaiten is nothing more than rotating in the ground while expelling chakra at the same time, no idea why you would actually need the byakugan to do so.

 

[MightGai]

Also, on that topic of Madara and his eyeless susano'o, the difference between that and Byakugan is that you don't actually need to see shit to summon a susano'o, you could do it with your eyes closed as well and it will work (Apparently without eyes as well), which would not be the case with Amaterasu for example, which needs the user to see something. The problem with byakugan is that (assuming the hyuuga is somehow without eyes) the techniques actually require to see, more specifically, see the tenketsus. So doesn't matter how much masterful is the hyuuga, without eyes, he or she shouldn't be able to use most of the byakugan techniques due to the lack of tenketsu sight.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Realsing chakra from the hands and feet are just the first steps in chakra control and the only mandatory lessons taught to students.
Chakra control of the tenketsu is an entirely different matter. Characters like Kabuto and Sakura would the ones who would find learning abilities this the easiest to learn given their field and chakra precision.

Singular limb tenketsu feats wont be as difficult as you make it out, especially if you have a teacher who's a Hyuga. Vacuum palm as a basic jutsu and TLF can be used without the Byakugan as well. Your right the better a non Hyuga's chakra control is the easier it would be to learn the jutsu so Sakura and Kabuto would be ideal.

Other characters who have shown to actiate them did so through exteme psychical feats such as Guy,Rock Lee and Kakashi when performing the eright inners gates.Which Kakashi is noted saying that it is extremely hard to learn even for the greatest of ninja.

Inner gates aren't a chakra point based jutsu.

Now if you are in the field of chakra control or have naturally gifted chakra control then yes you can learn these to use these techniques all i am saying utlmiately is that its not as easy just because literaly anyone could learn them because it if that was the case more people would in fact be shown using such techniques and using chakra enhanced attacks.

The basic mechanics of some can be learnt by others provided they have a teacher with the Byakugan. To really master them and quicker than others better chakra control would help. There's a reason they're classed as hidden jutsu, it's to protect their method since it can be replicated.

Also; I am not an ALT account.I was referred to this site by DeadManWonderLand.
You probably don't know him he was a user on this site back in the so called "Golden era" of (2012 - 2013) I have been told to make an account for years and finally caved in.

I'll take your word for it.

 

[UnbashedMedia]

Singular limb tenketsu feats wont be as difficult as you make it out, especially if you have a teacher who's a Hyuga. Vacuum palm as a basic jutsu and TLF can be used without the Byakugan as well. Your right the better a non Hyuga's chakra control is the easier it would be to learn the jutsu so Sakura and Kabuto would be ideal.



Inner gates aren't a chakra point based jutsu.



The basic mechanics of some can be learnt by others provided they have a teacher with the Byakugan. To really master them and quicker than others better chakra control would help. There's a reason they're classed as hidden jutsu, it's to protect their method since it can be replicated.



I'll take your word for it.

"Singular limb tenketsu feats"
I never said or meant to imply it was impossible or our of reach of most ninja.Let me try a again in case i wasn't being coherent(I get ahead of myself sometimes) Most ninja do no go around using enhanced chakra attacks and tenketsu based attacks have been shown almsot exclusively through users like the hyuuga who make it a point to be profcient in such tactics.

Any other display beyond the first two steps came from peolpe who hold high degree of profcieny in that department (Like kabuto and sakura whose field of expretise require chaka control and Lee and guy through the gates)so no it not as hard as you thought i was implying but its also not something most ninja will learn when it takes time and practice and they need to train in other categories.

"Inner gates aren't a chakra point based jutsu."

Yes they are as quoted by the wiki " The eight inner gates are eight specific tenketsu on a person's Chakra Pathway System which limit the overall flow of chakra within a person's body."

 

[MightGai]

Singular limb tenketsu feats wont be as difficult as you make it out, especially if you have a teacher who's a Hyuga. Vacuum palm as a basic jutsu and TLF can be used without the Byakugan as well. Your right the better a non Hyuga's chakra control is the easier it would be to learn the jutsu so Sakura and Kabuto would be ideal.

I meant Gentle style revolves in hitting the enemies tenketsus, going from their basic taijutsu, to something fancy as 64 palms. Even air palm targets vital points with the aid of the Byakugan (but of course it could be used to aim at whatever body part). It's clear that any of their techniques that doesn't actually target tenketsus or vital points can be learned by anyone, and the most obvious that came to mind was Kaiten

 

[salamander uchiha]

I meant Gentle style revolves in hitting the enemies tenketsus, going from their basic taijutsu, to something fancy as 64 palms. Even air palm targets vital points with the aid of the Byakugan (but of course it could be used to aim at whatever body part). It's clear that any of their techniques that doesn't actually target tenketsus or vital points can be learned by anyone, and the most obvious that came to mind was Kaiten

Kaiten is the most complex it requires releasing chakra from all of your pointa then rotating it as a consistent pace. No Hyuga has demonstrated the ability to use it without the Byakugan even among the Hyuga clan it's extremely rare. On the other hand air palm and TLF have been used without it so they're the least difficult to use unless your targeting the Tenketsu.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Bolt doesn't have the byakugan but was taught gentle fist by his mother so that pokes a big hole in your theory.

So was Hinata when she was 3. You telling me she already awakened Byakugan by then :lol

lol This guy can't comprehend the difference between a fighting style and Chakra-based techniques

Same way how Hanabi was using Gentle Fist Style taijutsu but not Gentle Fist techniques, unless you want to argue she was aiming to and failed to damage organs of a kid :lol

 

[MightGai]

Kaiten is the most complex it requires releasing chakra from all of your pointa then rotating it as a consistent pace. No Hyuga has demonstrated the ability to use it without the Byakugan even among the Hyuga clan it's extremely rare. On the other hand air palm and TLF have been used without it so they're the least difficult to use unless your targeting the Tenketsu.

complex doesn't mean byakugan-restricted. That's why I said, if releasing chakra from all the body parts is not only restricted to byakugan users (and I can't think of a logical reason why would it be), then anyone could learn Kaiten.

Think 6th gate Gai vs Kisame. While opening the 6th gate and pushing a shitload of chakra from underwater, he pushed a lake worth of water out of his way. Kaiten, without the rotation.

 

[salamander uchiha]

complex doesn't mean byakugan-restricted. That's why I said, if releasing chakra from all the body parts is not only restricted to byakugan users (and I can't think of a logical reason why would it be), then anyone could learn Kaiten.

Think 6th gate Gai vs Kisame. While opening the 6th gate and pushing a shitload of chakra from underwater, he pushed a lake worth of water out of his way. Kaiten, without the rotation.

Yeah, no that's not how it works.

 

[MightGai]

Yeah, no that's not how it works.

Then in what way does the byakugan influences chakra emission from the user's body? Or how does it affect his rotation?

 

[Jiren]

So was Hinata when she was 3. You telling me she already awakened Byakugan by then :lol

lol This guy can't comprehend the difference between a fighting style and Chakra-based techniques

Same way how Hanabi was using Gentle Fist Style taijutsu but not Gentle Fist techniques, unless you want to argue she was aiming to and failed to damage organs of a kid :lol

Nice you just debunked yourself. You can tell urself any sweet fanfics you want to here. Bolt learning gentle fist debunks the claim Gentle fist is a byakugan technique.


Gentle fist can be learned by any individual.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Nice you just debunked yourself. You can tell urself any sweet fanfics you want to here. Bolt learning gentle fist debunks the claim Gentle fist is a byakugan technique.


Gentle fist can be learned by any individual.

Reading comprehension is lost on you always :lol

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Yes... Gentle Fist is something everyone can learn...

No no u can't

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Nah most ninja learn how to release chakra from their hands and feet so all they need to do is learn forming it and releasing it like GF techs. That may require a little time not as much as you make it out to be.

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Actually that's wrong most people struggle just to do that

 

[Jiren]

Actually that's wrong most people struggle just to do that

but with training they can master the art and form,.

 

[Nerosmoke]

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According to Tobiramas nazi science, chakra goes into their eyes, but it doesn't come from there, I assume other ocular jutsus work the same way, that the source is not in the eyes, but I doubt it though.

Could still be that they need the eyes in order to make it work.

Then Expain Kakashi or AO.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

but with training they can master the art and form,.

No not really because join struggle to send chakra to their hands and feet the main word was struggle so.
The hyuga at Birth have control overall their chakra points