Byakugan is actually hella broken

[Made in Heaven]

I don't know why people keep reading the VIZ translations. Sasuke says nothing about a "mind's eye"; he actually says he sees a clear image with his (real) eyes. Furthermore, VIZ entirely left out how Sasuke explains he sees Naruto's movements by how his power shifts throughout his body, something unrelated to chakra, and is also evidenced by how he later foresees images of Naruto himself but not the chakra shroud (arms). Sure, the Byakugan can see muscle to, or at least I assume so, but it doesn't do it automatically and to the level of the Sharingan. The Sharingan providing these images obviously depends on the reaction speed of the user and speed of the target as well. Whether you accept this explanation or not is up to you, but I definitely don't feel like arguing over a wrong translation if you decide to stick to VIZ.

Can I get a proper translation then?

If so, I accept the fact that images are seen which does put it above Byakugan if and until we see Byakugan doing the. But in terms of the ability to predict, that is superior many times over thanks to the added insight and chakra sight of the Byakugan.

But Byakugan can see muscle movements better than Sharingan its penetratibg vision is a testamony to that.

 

[amazing sasuke]

there is no way in hell that byakugan can get anywhere near sharingan.....sharingan will always hold it's place as a competitor of senju clan which hyuga can only dream of

 

[Reviewing Logic]

no u said there's a hyuga ARC but there wasn't it was just 1.5 eps stay mad

you mean my thread talking about a Hyuga arc

yes there is still a Hyuga arc and that HYUGA arc is Boruto the ANIME

exactly like how Uchiha had their stuff with Naruto the series


This isn't going to be the last time we see Hanabi and co

 

[Made in Heaven]

there is no way in hell that byakugan can get anywhere near sharingan.....sharingan will always hold it's place as a competitor of senju clan which hyuga can only dream of

Byakugan destroyed SusanoO

 

[WalksInShadows]

somebody get ya man

Lee can' t beat Neji but here is Lee vs sharingan precog.

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That feat shows that Byakugan precog>sharingan precog.

you're doing some major straw manning with this argument for at least 2 reasons:

- Sasuke didn't know the first thing about Lee's fighting style, whereas Neji did because he fought Lee on numerous occasions.

- once Sasuke's ability lvl matured to the point where he got the third tomoe, he was able to easily avoid a version of Naruto that Neji got 1 shotted by.

 

[Holy God]

Can I get a proper translation then?

The ones hosted on this website from MangaPanda are pretty good and properly convert everything in this instance. These two pages clearly showcase the power.

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If so, I accept the fact that images are seen which does put it above Byakugan if and until we see Byakugan doing the. But in terms of the ability to predict, that is superior many times over thanks to the added insight and chakra sight of the Byakugan.

But Byakugan can see muscle movements better than Sharingan its penetratibg vision is a testamony to that.

How can the Byakugan have an ability to predict better than the Sharingan that shows exact images? Yes, the Byakugan has better insight in that it can see wider and farther distances, smaller objects, and the complete chakra system. The difference however, is that the Sharingan prediction is an ability of it's own; it works automatically and subconsciously. Sure, the Byakugan can see muscle too, but the user does not have the physiological knowledge to know what action every minute muscle twitch will result in or the mental capability to process groups of individual twitches and create a definite prediction of what the enemy will do within a literal second or less.

 

[Made in Heaven]

The ones hosted on this website from MangaPanda are pretty good and properly convert everything in this instance. These two pages clearly showcase the power.

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How can the Byakugan have an ability to predict better than the Sharingan that shows exact images? Yes, the Byakugan has better insight in that it can see wider and farther distances, smaller objects, and the complete chakra system. The difference however, is that the Sharingan prediction is an ability of it's own; it works automatically and subconsciously. Sure, the Byakugan can see muscle too, but the user does not have the physiological knowledge to know what action every minute muscle twitch will result in or the mental capability to process groups of individual twitches and create a definite prediction of what the enemy will do within a literal second or less.

I mean excluding the image seeing ability. Agree with everything else.

 

[iFlowMotion]

Kaguya uses byakugans to fight because she knows that byakugan is stronger than the sharingan in both offense and defense.

Soooooooo byakugan was shifting dimensions.....and opening T/S portals......and using juubidamas...........and absorbing charka.....and ash bone..... Damn wtf manga did I read

 

[davidou]

somebody get ya man you're doing some major straw manning with this argument for at least 2 reasons:

- Sasuke didn't know the first thing about Lee's fighting style, whereas Neji did because he fought Lee on numerous occasions.

- once Sasuke's ability lvl matured to the point where he got the third tomoe, he was able to easily avoid a version of Naruto that Neji got 1 shotted by.

Do you need to know your opponent fighting style to use precog?No you don' t.
Neji got hit because Naruto made a diversion and above all because his byakugans weren' t activated, unlike Lee vs sasuke.

Soooooooo byakugan was shifting dimensions.....and opening T/S portals......and using juubidamas...........and absorbing charka.....and ash bone..... Damn wtf manga did I read

Juubidama isn' t a sharingan ability, neither absorbing chakra nor ash bones.
S/T portals and shifting dimension aren' t attacks, it has to be combined with something else to create an attack.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Do you need to know your opponent fighting style to use precog?No you don' t.

"My copy eye couldn't see through his technique. But that means...those moves he's using..."

So yeah, i kind of think being able to recognize an opponent's fighting style does play a part bro.

 

[davidou]

"My copy eye couldn't see through his technique. But that means...those moves he's using..."

So yeah, i kind of think being able to recognize an opponent's fighting style does play a part bro.

But that proves my point, Lee never beat Neji although the first time they fought, Neji must have no intel on Lee, like Sasuke who has been fodderized by Lee.

 

[JStar King]

Do you need to know your opponent fighting style to use precog?No you don' t.
Neji got hit because Naruto made a diversion and above all because his byakugans weren' t activated, unlike Lee vs sasuke.




Juubidama isn' t a sharingan ability, neither absorbing chakra nor ash bones.
S/T portals and shifting dimension aren' t attacks, it has to be combined with something else to create an attack.

Sasuke's Sharingan was in the first stage. He didn't unlock the full potential of Precog until the VOTE 1 fight against Naruto. On the other hand, Lee pointed out the flaw. You must train your body in order to use the Precog toyour full advantage, so you could match your opponent's speed.

Which is why Sasuke copied Lee's moves and was able to surpass him thereafter.

 

[WalksInShadows]

But that proves my point, Lee never beat Neji although the first time they fought, Neji must have no intel on Lee, like Sasuke who has been fodderized by Lee.

except Neji was already better than Lee when they first fought, so that doesn't prove your point at all. If you had a point, Sasuke would've been just as good as Pre-CE Neji and still got banked.

 

[davidou]

except Neji was already better than Lee when they first fought, so that doesn't prove your point at all. If you had a point, Sasuke would've been just as good as Pre-CE Neji and still got banked.

Yes, Neji was better than Lee when they first fought but Sasuke wasn' t, that' s my point to counter your argument that knowledge was what made Neji better than Sasuke against Lee.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Byakugan destroyed SusanoO

Nope it didn't Kahuya did bit nice fanfic nonetheless.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Yes, Neji was better than Lee when they first fought but Sasuke wasn' t, that' s my point to counter your argument that knowledge was what made Neji better than Sasuke against Lee.

what i was trying to say is that Neji knew Lee used taijutsu, but Sasuke didn't. It's my fault for not phrasing that better.

 

[davidou]

what i was trying to say is that Neji knew Lee used taijutsu, but Sasuke didn't. It's my fault for not phrasing that better.

I agree that knowledge over Lee's style could help to defeat him, but I doubt it would have helped Sasuke to the point he would be able to counter Lee's basic taijutsu with weights.
You made me realise that Lee clarified what allowed him to defeat sasuke, it wasn' t the fact that Sasuke couldn' t precog his movements, it was because Sasuke couldn' t move fast enough.
The scan I posted proves that Sasuke is way slower than Neji, but not that his precog is<.

Sasuke's Sharingan was in the first stage. He didn't unlock the full potential of Precog until the VOTE 1 fight against Naruto. On the other hand, Lee pointed out the flaw. You must train your body in order to use the Precog toyour full advantage, so you could match your opponent's speed.

Which is why Sasuke copied Lee's moves and was able to surpass him thereafter.

I agree, except Sasuke had 2 tomoes in each eye and Sasuke surpassing Lee was never proved or even mentionned.

 

[iFlowMotion]

Do you need to know your opponent fighting style to use precog?No you don' t.
Neji got hit because Naruto made a diversion and above all because his byakugans weren' t activated, unlike Lee vs sasuke.




Juubidama isn' t a sharingan ability, neither absorbing chakra nor ash bones.
S/T portals and shifting dimension aren' t attacks, it has to be combined with something else to create an attack.

Where did I say they were sharingan techs? Lmao damn fanboy. And they don't need to be attacks moron. You said byakutrash was her best offensive and defensive which you were wrong its her Sharin-Rinnegan wtf manga did you read

 

[WalksInShadows]

I agree that knowledge over Lee's style could help to defeat him, but I doubt it would have helped Sasuke to the point he would be able to counter Lee's basic taijutsu with weights.
You made me realise that Lee clarified what allowed him to defeat sasuke, it wasn' t the fact that Sasuke couldn' t precog his movements, it was because Sasuke couldn' t move fast enough.
The scan I posted proves that Sasuke is way slower than Neji, but not that his precog is<.

fair enough

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[davidou]

Where did I say they were sharingan techs? Lmao damn fanboy. And they don't need to be attacks moron. You said byakutrash was her best offensive and defensive which you were wrong its her Sharin-Rinnegan wtf manga did you read

It seems you didn' t understand anything I said, that' s maybe why you have to come with insults every 2 words you say, because you lack understanding.
I was comparing Byakugan to sharingan, not byakugan to juubi or byakugan to rinnesharingan.