[Discussion] Butsuma/Tobirama vs Tajima/Izuna

[yoshimitsu]

I think it will be revealed that Butsuma and Tajima are pretty darn weak compared to Hashirama and Madara.
Why?

They look older than when Hashirama fought Madara and we know just how strong the latter are.
They drag their young kid in battle as if it really mattered in terms of battle strength. And if it did, then it just goes to show Butsuma and Tajima are so weak that kids can influence the outcome of their battle.


Or we might not get to see an actual battle next chapter because Hashirama/Madara talk-no-jutsu'd their kin.

 

[R4mbl3]

I think its going to show the battle from Madara and Hashirama's POV.
The last chapter showed Madara and Hashirama running away after seeing what the stones said.

I believe it will show them meet up in the woods, they will start talking and be like, lets go convince the others stop fighting.
When they get back there, they see Tobirama killing Izuna.(idk maybe not yet) Then Madara is going to change. Or start to change.

But OT: Yes, Madara and Hashirama surely overpower their siblings. Father though, not just yet. Maybe equal but we have yet to see, I am sure that they have better ideoligies though.

 

[The Legendary Noob]

all I know is that Izuna's a BOSS

 

[Supreme x Uchiha]

I think its going to show the battle from Madara and Hashirama's POV.
The last chapter showed Madara and Hashirama running away after seeing what the stones said.

I believe it will show them meet up in the woods, they will start talking and be like, lets go convince the others stop fighting.
When they get back there, they see Tobirama killing Izuna.(idk maybe not yet) Then Madara is going to change. Or start to change.

Izuna won't die there.. He shouldn't..since they were much older when izuna actually died.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

I think that the fathers will kill each other. Then the kids will be all "No more adults telling us how to live! We will create a new way of living!" They don't seem to have been deeply bonded with their dads anyway.!

 

[R4mbl3]

Izuna won't die there.. He shouldn't..since they were much older when izuna actually died.

Yeah, thats why I said maybe not yet afterwards.

But good point anyways. I do think that Tobirama or Hashirama killed him though.

 

[Kages]

Yeah definitely weaker than Hashi and Madara. But still strong^^

 

[yoshimitsu]

all I know is that Izuna's a BOSS

Funny how you know this.

I think its going to show the battle from Madara and Hashirama's POV.
The last chapter showed Madara and Hashirama running away after seeing what the stones said.

I believe it will show them meet up in the woods, they will start talking and be like, lets go convince the others stop fighting.
When they get back there, they see Tobirama killing Izuna.(idk maybe not yet) Then Madara is going to change. Or start to change.

But OT: Yes, Madara and Hashirama surely overpower their siblings. Father though, not just yet. Maybe equal but we have yet to see, I am sure that they have better ideoligies though.

Nah Izuna can't die so soon. His death followed by an alliance with the Senju is what drove Madara to resent his clan. He felt betrayed and that izuna had died for no reason.

Maybe we will see it, maybe not. Either way, Butsuma/Tajima are weak as heck if they need the help from little kids.

 

[jiraiya lives]

all I know is that tobirama is a badass and is about to solo Izuna and tajima whole butsuma cheers him on

 

[Ldude]

I think that the fathers will kill each other. Then the kids will be all "No more adults telling us how to live! We will create a new way of living!" They don't seem to have been deeply bonded with their dads anyway.!

I agree. You jerk.

 

[~MC117~]

Izuna won't die, not yet. Maybe their dad will die though. When obito was talking to sasuke it showed that izuna was about itachi's age when he gave his sharingan to madara and he supposedly gave his sharingan to madara so if obito's talk to sasuke wasn't a lie then izuna shouldn't die yet or kishi might make yet another mistake and kill izuna here.

 

[Kikki]

The kids look quite geared up compared to their older brothers. This is really funny, a nice plot twist because we've all always believed the older brothers were the fighting types. They sit around and play while the younger brothers run around in full armor. Nice twist.

I can't tell that the fathers are weak but they will most likely be truly stubborn and hate each other being supported by two fanatic kids - Izuna and Tobirama. I can still see the fight ending with the fathers dead and the kids hating each other after (the Uchiha kids and Tobirama will hate each other the most, Hashi will still want his peace plan). The younger brothers will convice the older ones to end the friendship. The result will be that the families stay with each other and focuss on their own more. That is the beginning of the end of their bond. First they will be rivals, and alot later, when Izuna dies, it will be the true end of all that they created together.

That's how I see it.

 

[veggetta13]

I´m feeling we are being taken to medievil naruto, and I´m totally cool with it.
Crazy thing, is each week , I know we could either go to Tsunade, or Sasuke, or back with Naruto, or some other new character.. it seems jolly never-ending

 

[Prime Rib]

Izuna don't ie tell his late teens

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

First, Butsuma and Tajima are not weak as you think. Most likely, they were the leaders of their Clans, the two strongest Clans, which means not anyone can be the leader.

Second, they didn't brought their kids for the thing you claim they have done so. If you paid attention, Butsuma told Hashirama that the only ones that know of his meetings with Madara are him and Tobirama. Butsuma didn't wanted his son to be branded as a traitor, so he decided to take care of the situation quietly. Most possibly, that's what happened with Tajima, Madara and Izuna.

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[Meowazziel]

I think it will be revealed that Butsuma and Tajima are pretty darn weak compared to Hashirama and Madara.
Why?

They look older than when Hashirama fought Madara and we know just how strong the latter are.
They drag their young kid in battle as if it really mattered in terms of battle strength. And if it did, then it just goes to show Butsuma and Tajima are so weak that kids can influence the outcome of their battle.


Or we might not get to see an actual battle next chapter because Hashirama/Madara talk-no-jutsu'd their kin.

They are probably around part 1 Zabuza level, seeing Butsuma (lol name ) and/or Tajima, held a Kunai in their hand. If they are so uber boss, than a kunai wouldnt do much.
Generations are suppose to surpass the previous one (few exceptions in individuals aside), so I wouldnt be surprised if Butsuma and Tajima arent that impressive).

I hope I am wrong though.
Btw, the Zabuza vs Kakashi fights were pretty cool, so this fight can be so too, but I dont expect any Insane high lvl battle, like the Uchiha bros vs Kabuto was for example.

 

[Codex]

I think it will be revealed that Butsuma and Tajima are pretty darn weak compared to Hashirama and Madara.
Why?

They look older than when Hashirama fought Madara and we know just how strong the latter are.
They drag their young kid in battle as if it really mattered in terms of battle strength. And if it did, then it just goes to show Butsuma and Tajima are so weak that kids can influence the outcome of their battle.


Or we might not get to see an actual battle next chapter because Hashirama/Madara talk-no-jutsu'd their kin.

Sure, Butsuma and Tajima (and everyone else in Narutoverse) are surely weak compared to Madara and Hashirama, but I disagree that dragging their kids into battle is a sign of weakness. Rather, the fathers are dragging their sons along as a form a training. Remember, Butsuma told Hashirama that raising their kids to be shinobi showed that they loved their children. It's like anything else fathers do with their sons; it's so the kids can learn from them, not because they (the kids) will actually provide any meaningful assistance.

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

I think it's obvious they aren't going to be as strong as Madara and Hashirama are, but they are both older Uchiha and Senju clan members, meaning they have been in battles all of their lives and no one has been able to kill them yet. This fact alone shows that they are at least strong compared to whatever the norm was back then.

I am interested to see what they are capable of though. I'm curious if Tajima is going to have MS, and if Batsuma is going to have some kind of kekkai genkai(I don't think he's going to have wood release, as it's been said in the manga the only person ever known to use it was Hashirama, and Yamato ofc)

I have a feeling Tajima isn't going to have MS either as it seems like that was something that Izuna and Madara were able to accomplish and they were "special" among their clan. We'll see though. Either way he's probably going to be skilled. It should make for a good battle....Madara's dad and Izuna vs. Hashi's dad and Tobirama? That's gotta make for a good battle..

 

[yoshimitsu]

Sure, Butsuma and Tajima (and everyone else in Narutoverse) are surely weak compared to Madara and Hashirama, but I disagree that dragging their kids into battle is a sign of weakness. Rather, the fathers are dragging their sons along as a form a training. Remember, Butsuma told Hashirama that raising their kids to be shinobi showed that they loved their children. It's like anything else fathers do with their sons; it's so the kids can learn from them, not because they (the kids) will actually provide any meaningful assistance.

They are more likely to get their sons killed by doing so. I agree it can be a form of training, but for all intent and purposes one should not drag a kid into a battle where the likelihood of said kid's life is at tremendous risk. Why risk losing a young disciple, let alone one's son, for the sake of some training that could be repeated in a more secure environment and/or with better preperation? Putting the lives of young shinobi on the line in this manner is reckless.

And if they were merely there as observers to learn without providing much assistance as per your claim, then they wouldn't have made their presence known. They wouldn't make themselves easy targets to be taken hostage or killed. The way they introduced themselves (Izuna/Tobirama) indicated that they are there to assist -- which we have agreed upon that their assistance is most likely negligible.

I think it's obvious they aren't going to be as strong as Madara and Hashirama are, but they are both older Uchiha and Senju clan members, meaning they have been in battles all of their lives and no one has been able to kill them yet. This fact alone shows that they are at least strong compared to whatever the norm was back then.

They are just kids. It can be said they have some battle experience although not remotely as much as the amount you are inferring to.
They (in the most recent chapters) look as young, if not younger, than Konohamaru.

 

[yoshimitsu]

First, Butsuma and Tajima are not weak as you think. Most likely, they were the leaders of their Clans, the two strongest Clans, which means not anyone can be the leader.

Second, they didn't brought their kids for the thing you claim they have done so. If you paid attention, Butsuma told Hashirama that the only ones that know of his meetings with Madara are him and Tobirama. Butsuma didn't wanted his son to be branded as a traitor, so he decided to take care of the situation quietly. Most possibly, that's what happened with Tajima, Madara and Izuna.

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