BSM/EMS Naruto and Sasuke take the gauntlet.

[lanakui8]

he has jugo's power for sure but after

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it doesn't look like he's got the kurama chakra. The next page shows he's bringing out his own susanoo chakra shroud.

Juugo wasn't using his cursed seal, yet Sasuke's PS broke Obito's onmyouton sword. The only explanation is that BSM Naruto enhanced Sasuke's PS with his senjutsu.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Stops at 4.

 

[Oblivionx]

they stop at 3............ it's almost cannon as obito took on BM naruto, kakashi, guy and bee and obito wasn't having too much of trouble... only issue for him was kakashi's kamui which sasuke doesn't have...

 

[Blunt]

they stop at 3............ it's almost cannon as obito took on BM naruto, kakashi, guy and bee and obito wasn't having too much of trouble... only issue for him was kakashi's kamui which sasuke doesn't have...

BM Naruto canonically could have killed Obito, Kakashi also had a chance while he was in the Kamui dimension and his stomach appeared.

Sasuke alone can take on Obito without the Edo Tensei six paths. Obito has a time limit while using his intangibility and that would be five minutes, stated by Shikaku Nara. Due to the fact that Obito cannot teleport bijuu sized beings or constructs without a cloak from Kurama like Kakashi received. He will not be able to warp Sasuke's legged Susano'o, which is not only highly mobile, but it also has pretty high DC, it was able to cut a giant root and or branch from the Shinju with ease. Sasuke can utilize Susano'o arrows, Enton and Amaterasu to it's fullest extent, which will keep Obito on his toes it will force him to use his intangibility, his time is quite short. Obito's best offense and defense is mainly Kamui, which is very limiting.
His Mokuton is so minimal, it is non factor.

Once Amaterasu is spread, Kirin should be able to be used for the right moment, and can be stored for any point in the fight it may be most effective. Sasuke is definitely not lacking in chakra, he is definitely capable of maintaining Susano'o and it's offensive up for as long as needed.

If Obito engages Sasuke in CQC, Sasuke has Chidori Nagashi, which is an AoE attack, this will not allow Obito to materialize to physically grab Sasuke. Sasuke also can utilize Enton in this situation most effectively, in the same manner he did with Raikage, Ribcage Susano'o or not.

Obito also cannot materialize within Susano'o if the user completely solidifies his chakra, it was shown on a few occasions that Susano'o users may choose whether or not their Susano'o is permeable/hollow.

Sasuke has PS, which is his last resort technique and may even be unnecessary.

 

[KidGamer65]

Apart from the rest of ur post, i just disagree with the bold
Sasukes PS in his EMS form is still inferior to madaras, and seeing how he formed this susanoo despite being powered up by BSM Naruto, and the fact that his PS formed no shockwaves,
leads me to believe that if sasuke forms that PS on his own, then its likely to be smaller and weaker by quite a margin, due to the fact that the kurama chakra seems to multiply a users jutsu x3.

Wrong. Shockwaves are formed when the sword is swung in a

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. How is Sasuke's PS going to form shockwaves when he thrust his sword and cut Juubito's side? Physically impossible. Even Sasuke's V3 enhanced by Kurama and Juugo managed to cut through a branch much larger than it, despite the size of its sword.

So, no. This isn't a legit way to determine its power. And that is the cloak Naruto passed to the alliance. Sasuke didn't have the Kurama Cloak at the time so his PS only got a Senjutsu boost. And even if it were true, do you really believe that Sasuke's PS, with a 3x boost and a Senjutsu boost will still be below or not on par with Madara's at the very least? Lol, come on now.

The sword with literally no feats whatsover, lol
and the shockwaves were only used as an example for the properties of PS thats all, furthermore, the shockwaves are an offensive feat, the nunoboku sword broke due to the defense of PS being strong enough, to tank its attack, so it still doesnt have any offensive feats, that puts it in the mountain level,
nor does the sword of nunoboku have any feats to back up ur argument

Uh what? Sasuke and Naruto thrust the Susanoo's sword and it ripped through the shield he made and the sword of Nunoboko. That shield alone was better than a quick made shield he made that let him tank a Bijuu Dama. Lol, how did you come to the conclusion PS was enough to tank it, when it shows them destroying it with the sword?

No, the bold is wrong, since sasuke is not sharing any chakra, nor is he distributing any chakra to naruto in any form whatsoever, i dont see where you got the assumption that they are sharing chakra 50/50,

their chakra isnt shared 50/50, as the shroud around sasuke and the whole alliance was still present during the kyuususanoo was onslaught, meaning that sasuke still had the kuramas power during PS,

Lol, no. Sasuke lost his cloak while he was using Susanoo and fighting Juubito, and definitely didn't have it after he destroyed his Susanoo, nor did he have it while he was forming it, as you can clearly see that there is no cloak. The alliance having it isn't relevant.

 

[A v i]

This battle'll eventually comes down to CQC. Madara is well above Sasuke in this department so Madara should win this.

 

[Blunt]

This battle'll eventually comes down to CQC. Madara is well above Sasuke in this department so Madara should win this.

Without SM, how is Madara superior to Sasuke in CQC?

 

[Conspirator.]

Without SM, how is Madara superior to Sasuke in CQC?

Better weaponry and speed. With his gunabai, he can

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that can deflect chakra receivers thrown by bm naruto, and he can

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like Naruto's mini hand held bijuudamas. His Gunbai alone gives him the edge in CQC, combined with his superior speed.(this is EMS sasuke pre rikudo powerup)

OT: Naruto and Sasuke clear it I think presuming juubito isn't part of Akatsuki.

 

[Blunt]

Better weaponry and speed. With his gunabai, he can

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that can deflect chakra receivers thrown by bm naruto, and he can

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like Naruto's mini hand held bijuudamas. His Gunbai alone gives him the edge in CQC, combined with his superior speed.(this is EMS sasuke pre rikudo powerup)

OT: Naruto and Sasuke clear it I think presuming juubito isn't part of Akatsuki.

Sasuke has both Enton and Raiton variants at his disposal, he can also use these to augment his weapons. The speed gap is minimal and not large enough to really matter due to two reasons, his EMS, which grants him advanced precognitive abilities and his own speed. Sasuke was able to track Juubito, and was even praised by SM Madara for his advanced handling prior to Yin blessing.

Gunbai is the only capable weapon, Madara's scythe is relatively useless if it clashes with Sasuke's Raiton enhanced blade.

Let me add this, Sasuke knocked out all of these shinobi without dealing a vital blow, the majority were most likely weilding weaponry.

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[KidGamer65]

This battle'll eventually comes down to CQC. Madara is well above Sasuke in this department so Madara should win this.

What battle?

 

[Conspirator.]

Sasuke has both Enton and Raiton variants at his disposal, he can also use these to augment his weapons. The speed gap is minimal and not large enough to really matter due to two reasons, his EMS, which grants him advanced precognitive abilities and his own speed. Sasuke was able to track Juubito, and was even praised by SM Madara for his advanced handling prior to Yin blessing.

Gunbai is the only capable weapon, Madara's scythe is relatively useless if it clashes with Sasuke's Raiton enhanced blade.

Let me add this, Sasuke knocked out all of these shinobi without dealing a vital blow, the majority were most likely weilding weaponry.

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I am still not convinced ems sasuke would beat ems madara in a CQC most of the time.(that's irrelevant to the thread but since it got brought up...) Even though he was blind, he has Hashi's SM to compensate in the fight.(so that was fair). Madara still effortlessly evaded all of Sasuke's swings, and only used his arm to block the sword, since he had no weapon to parry Sasuke's strikes. With a weapon, I am absolutely certain Madara would have won that exchange. I also think EMS madara would be able to "track" juubito like Sasuke did. The only way I can see Sasuke winning is via Enton. Other than that, the edge clearly goes to Madara.

Oh, and those Otogogakure ninja were absolute fodder, so we can't really judge based on that.

 

[Blunt]

I am still not convinced ems sasuke would beat ems madara in a CQC most of the time.(that's irrelevant to the thread but since it got brought up...) Even though he was blind, he has Hashi's SM to compensate in the fight.(so that was fair). Madara still effortlessly evaded all of Sasuke's swings, and only used his arm to block the sword, since he had no weapon to parry Sasuke's strikes. With a weapon, I am absolutely certain Madara would have won that exchange. I also think EMS madara would be able to "track" juubito like Sasuke did. The only way I can see Sasuke winning is via Enton. Other than that, the edge clearly goes to Madara.

Oh, and those Otogogakure ninja were absolute fodder, so we can't really judge based on that.

Madara is definitely capable of tracking Juubito.

The fight can go down either way, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Unorthodox]

what does CQC have anything to do with battles of this calibur?

 

[lucario14]

Juugo wasn't using his cursed seal, yet Sasuke's PS broke Obito's onmyouton sword. The only explanation is that BSM Naruto enhanced Sasuke's PS with his senjutsu.

Yes I know Sasuke needed naruto's bsm avatar to combine with his susanoo, to break the sword of nunoboko but I'm saying naruto is not supplying sasuke with his kyuubi chakra like the rest of the SA. Also I'm sure sasuke is using jugo's power otherwise why would sasuke be carrying

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in the susanoo.

 

[Jimihendrix]

show me one time where BM Naruto was getting babyshaked in that fight.

BM Naruto's clone was even capable of tagging obito, and Naruto didn't even want to kill him. Killing intent on, Naruto makes a bunch of clones and flash blitzes Obito when he tries to do anything offensively.

Any form of Naruto sennin mode and above mops the floor with Obito if they are allowed killing intent.


Since when was EMS Sasuke featless? He showed many feats in his fight with Juubito and even before that. Even if a character is featless, since when does a character lacking feats = they lose to everyone with feats? Before Hashirama revealed his fight at VoTe, he would have been stomped by PS via feats, yet does that mean PS > Hashirama despite the manga explicitly saying Hashirama > EMS MAdara?

Yes. Here on NB we use feats to guage a character's worth... or did you miss the memo?

and oh please, Naruto couldn't land one hit on Obito and it's only thanks to Kakashi having Obito's other eye that they could only break his mask

They lose to Obito quite handily

 

[Jimihendrix]

@Jimihendrix Both EMS Sasuke and BM Naruto can solo Obito without Paths.

doubt it. He wouldn't have to concentrate his chakra on them, so not only would he have kamui, he'd also be able to use his rinnegan techs

 

[Jimihendrix]

at the end of the day, if you don't have Obito's other eye or if you're not a ftg user, you don't have a chance against MS Obito.

That's a manga fact. I don't care who you are. of course barring the gods

Edit: so they stop at 3

 

[Blunt]

at the end of the day, if you don't have Obito's other eye or if you're not a ftg user, you don't have a chance against MS Obito.

That's a manga fact. I don't care who you are. of course barring the gods

Edit: so they stop at 3

Already explained why he loses, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

They don't win 6 but stop at 7.

 

[lanakui8]

Yes. Here on NB we use feats to guage a character's worth... or did you miss the memo?

First that's not even a true statement, and second it doesn't matter if the majority of people evaluate characters in that way, it doesn't make that method of evaluation more plausible or rational than any other. If everyone on NB thought the moon is made of cheese, does that mean the moon is most likely made of cheese? Obviously not.

Evaluation purely by feats is a ridiculously biased as it bolsters characters who just happen to have more screen time than others, yet aren't necessarily more powerful.

and oh please, Naruto couldn't land one hit on Obito and it's only thanks to Kakashi having Obito's other eye that they could only break his mask

Did you know that if you completely ignore what the other person has typed, then you're basically conceding that stuff as it shows that you have no way of logically rebutting it? Naruto didn't want to kill Obito, this was stated and implied on so many occasions in the manga it's baffling to think people actually believe naruto was going all out. Even without killer intent, one of Naruto's clones landed a hit on Obito without kakashi's aid of kamui.

They lose to Obito quite handily

Absolutely not. The only way you'd come to this conclusion is if you are either an obito fanboy or you are an extremely selective reader (which is probably a result of being an obito fanboy).

at the end of the day, if you don't have Obito's other eye or if you're not a ftg user, you don't have a chance against MS Obito.

That's a manga fact. I don't care who you are. of course barring the gods

that is a manga fiction as even people as weak as Fuu were able to destroy MS Obito's arm, Konan before she even used paper ocean was able to bring Obito into

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, and itachi was able to land amaterasu on him. Obito even stated that he couldn't beat the 5 kage by himself, who are people that BM Naruto would thrash.

Killing intent on, even SM Naruto can beat Obito with his clone spam, lethal rasengan variants and frog song. Killing intent on, KCM NAruto clone spams and shunshins a rasenshuriken into obito when he tries to attack. Killing intent on, BM Naruto does the same thing with even less difficulty.

Killing intent on, Obito would have been killed a long time ago,

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