BSM/EMS Naruto and Sasuke take the gauntlet.

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Stop at 5.​

 

[Unorthodox]

they clear.......

 

[Zee U]

1. Five Kage: Both can solo.
2. Kumo - Third Raikage, Ay, Bee, Darui and Cee.: Both can solo.
3. Obito w/ Six Paths and Gunbai: BM Naruto solos, BSM is too much. Sasuke takes a nap.
4. Healthy Nagato and Edo Itachi: Both can solo.
5. Akatsuki: They win, low-mid diff.
6. BM Minato and Rinnegan Obito w/ Gunbai (No Paths): They win, mid-high diff. Mainly due to Minato.
7. Base Hashirama and Tobirama: They win, low diff.
8. Edo Madara: BSM Naruto has a chance at soloing, together they win low diff.
9. SM Hashirama: Together they win mid diff.
10. V1 Juubi Jin Obito: They win mid diff.

So they clear without much problems.

 

[lucario14]

Even with shinsuusenju they clear. 6 would be trouble but if they start with kyusanoo then no extraction. Madara and hashirama get beaten and juubito canonically got beaten so they clear.

 

[Touken]

How are they beating SM Hashirama? Myoujinmon should comfortably handle the Susanoo/Kurama fusion and as they're pinned down, Mokuryuu sucks them dry.

 

[KidGamer65]

How are they beating SM Hashirama? Myoujinmon should comfortably handle the Susanoo/Kurama fusion and as they're pinned down, Mokuryuu sucks them dry.

Since its just an avatar, they can put it down to escape Myojinmon. Or they can dodge it.

 

[lanakui8]

How are they beating SM Hashirama? Myoujinmon should comfortably handle the Susanoo/Kurama fusion and as they're pinned down, Mokuryuu sucks them dry.

Considering he couldn't do that against EMS Madara's Kyuubi + Susanoo fusion, madara's PS and couldn't get madara it until he was obliterated by SM COFRS he's not doing that to a more powerful kyuubi susanoo fusion.

 

[Touken]

Since its just an avatar, they can put it down to escape Myojinmon. Or they can dodge it.

If they do decide to put it down though, that'd leave them defenceless, allowing something like Mokujin or Jukai Koutan to mow them down. I highly doubt they can dodge it considering Naruto's fairly slow in the Avatar.

Considering he couldn't do that against EMS Madara's Kyuubi + Susanoo fusion, madara's PS and couldn't get madara it until he was obliterated by SM COFRS he's not doing that to a more powerful kyuubi susanoo fusion.

Madara's PS is leagues above Sasuke's PS, not to mention that Hashirama used Shinsuusenju as soon as he entered Sage Mode. He didn't attempt to use Myoujinmon.

 

[Blunt]

Considering he couldn't do that against EMS Madara's Kyuubi + Susanoo fusion, madara's PS and couldn't get madara it until he was obliterated by SM COFRS he's not doing that to a more powerful kyuubi susanoo fusion.

How exactly is Sasuke's PS with Kurama's 50% avatar superior to 100% Kurama / Superior PS? You cannot possibly provide any feats that suggest what you're saying.

The only thing Naruto and Sasuke's fusion has is higher mobility, which is irrelevant if you consider the massive difference in DC.

BSM Naruto may be superior to Kurama, due to the fact that he can properly concentrate and manipulate it's chakra and incorporate his own power into it. Though when it comes down to the fusions, one is clearly superior to another.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

How exactly is Sasuke's PS with Kurama's 50% avatar superior to 100% Kurama / Superior PS? You cannot possibly provide any feats that suggest what you're saying.

The only thing Naruto and Sasuke's fusion has is higher mobility, which is irrelevant if you consider the massive difference in DC.

I agree!! Also how does anybody think that they win against Edo Madara who has Mokuton, EMS and Rinnegan! Mokuton alone is a huge problem, since Madara can make clones, use it restrict Naruto and absorb chakra! His Rinnegan with Preta absorbs their attacks and their chances of destroying his PS are not high either... Sasuke's Susanoo is nothing against Madara and his Amateratsu can be absorbed... Not to mention that Maddy is an Edo! So how do they win?

 

[Blunt]

I agree!! Also how does anybody think that they win against Edo Madara who has Mokuton, EMS and Rinnegan! Mokuton alone is a huge problem, since Madara can make clones, use it restrict Naruto and absorb chakra! His Rinnegan with Preta absorbs their attacks and their chances of destroying his PS are not high either... Sasuke's Susanoo is nothing against Madara and his Amateratsu can be absorbed... Not to mention that Maddy is an Edo! So how do they win?

I gave Naruto and Sasuke sealing tags, the reason Sasuke and Naruto defeat Edo Madara is due to the fact that Sasuke is capable of negating Flower Tree World and any offensive Mokuton with Amaterasu and Enton variants. Naruto and Sasuke can also throw an Enton RS that will spread the flames and destroy anything in it's path. Once enough Enton is spread, Sasuke and Naruto have battlefield advantage and Sasuke can initiate Kirin for the right moment.

Naruto can handle Mokuton clones on his own, the five Kage could do it, I'm confident Naruto is fully equipped to handle them with Rasengan spam/chakra arms that restricted bijuu. Sasuke can also handle the Mokuton clones with his superior Susano'o.

Tengai Shinsei is countered by Continuous TBB and Bijuudama with blades inside them, even if it manages to land I'm sure Sasuke and Naruto's fusion is capable of withstanding the impact.

Madara will eventually start relying on PS as every viable offensive he has is honestly countered, his PS alone is inferior to Naruto/Sasuke's fusion.

Preta Path is irrelevant for the most part, as this is manga knowledge and Naruto has SM. Naruto can also give Sasuke Kyuubi cloak, which will enhance his chakra, durability, speed and destructive output.

 

[KidGamer65]

If they do decide to put it down though, that'd leave them defenceless, allowing something like Mokujin or Jukai Koutan to mow them down. I highly doubt they can dodge it considering Naruto's fairly slow in the Avatar.

He doesn't move

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. Naruto's avatar has high mobility, enough mobility that let it fight Juubito in a mid air battle. He just isn't flash Shunshin speed in the Avatar.

And putting down the Avatar wouldn't leave them defenseless.

1. Its just momentary, it can be put back up when they need to defend.

2. Mokujin or Shinsuusenju are the only things they'll have to defend themselves from. Jukai Kotan was already handled by Base Naruto after getting some of Kurama's chakra. BSM Naruto simply uses a giant FRS and Sasuke enhances it with Enton to light up and burn the incoming forest into a crisp. Or Naruto can use a Rasengan barrage like he did in canon.

Madara's PS is leagues above Sasuke's PS, not to mention that Hashirama used Shinsuusenju as soon as he entered Sage Mode. He didn't attempt to use Myoujinmon.

There is nothing that implies Madara's PS is leagues above Sasuke's PS, so I'm not sure what evidence is backing that statement of yours, and Hashirama not attempting to use it is evidence that it wouldn't have been useful.

How exactly is Sasuke's PS with Kurama's 50% avatar superior to 100% Kurama / Superior PS? You cannot possibly provide any feats that suggest what you're saying.

The only thing Naruto and Sasuke's fusion has is higher mobility, which is irrelevant if you consider the massive difference in DC.

BSM Naruto may be superior to Kurama, due to the fact that he can properly concentrate and manipulate it's chakra and incorporate his own power into it. Though when it comes down to the fusions, one is clearly superior to another.

BSM Naruto is superior to Kurama, while PS is inferior to Madara's. The main power of a PS Kurama is Kurama, not the Susanoo. The Susanoo offers a great defense while most of the firepower is from the Bijuu. So since BSM Naruto is superior to Kurama, he'd be superior to Kurama even after having a weaker PS equipped to him.

Not to mention even if Sasuke's PS is weaker than Madara's, which isn't a fact, being equipped to the BSM Kurama Avatar enhances it with Naruto's Senjutsu, so it'd be better while armored on to Kurama. Unless you think Madara's PS is so far above Sasuke's, that a Senjutsu boost won't at the very least put him on par with Madara's Susanoo.

 

[silmarill]

How does BM Naruto solo Obito with 6 paths and Gunbai when combined efforts of Naruto, bee , kakshi and gai could barely make a scratch on him?

 

[Blunt]

@Kidgamer, where do you see Sasuke's PS standing with and without Senjutsu? Madara's PS by portrayal alone is superior to Sasuke's, but it also has far better feats, feats I am not sure Sasuke is capable of replicating on the same scale without experience and or an enhancement(Senjutsu).

I feel like Sasuke can cut mountain(s), but can he do it as casually as Madara and can he maintain his offensive as long as Madara?

Like I said in the post post above you, Madara's PS is definitely inferior to Sasuke and Naruto's fusion, by a decent margin at that. Though it is superior to Sasuke's Susano'o alone, with or without Senjutsu.

Sasuke with experience would have eventually reached Madara's level with Susano'o naturally if none of this Yin/Yang seal powerup came into play. Now he completely obliterates Madara's PS, lol.

 

[KidGamer65]

@Kidgamer, where do you see Sasuke's PS standing with and without Senjutsu? Madara's PS by portrayal alone is superior to Sasuke's, but it also has far better feats, feats I am not sure Sasuke is capable of replicating on the same scale without experience and or an enhancement(Senjutsu). What do you think?

Naturally it has better feats, Sasuke's PS has no feats on its own, and with BSM Naruto, its single feat is ripping through the Onmyoton shield (Presumably stronger than the one Obito used to tank Senjutsu Bijuu Dama) and destroying the Sword of Nunoboko. Feats is an unreliable way to say its way stronger than Madara's since Sasuke's has no feats. And what portrayal puts Madara's PS above Sasuke's?

It shouldn't be too far from Madara's. Originally I used size as a determinant of strength, but that was shown to be unreliable since Rinnegan Sasuke's Susanoo is way smaller than EMS Madara's PS, but Rinnegan Sasuke's PS is far stronger than Madara's.

With Senjutsu it should be comfortably above Madara's. Without it shouldn't be too far off. None of their Susanoo variants have shown that massive a power difference. Don't know why there should be one with Perfect Susanoo.

 

[Zee U]

Sasuke's V3 Susanoo with a Kyuubi Cloak and a Cursed Seal buff proved to be nearly as durable as BSM Naruto's Kyuubi avatar, but Madara's Susanoo, enhanced by Sage Mode, was shattered by 9 tailed slaps. The difference between Sasuke's PS (enhanced by Kurama's chakra and Naruto's senjutsu chakra) and Madara's PS is humongous.

 

[Blunt]

And what portrayal puts Madara's PS above Sasuke's?

It shouldn't be too far from Madara's. Originally I used size as a determinant of strength, but that was shown to be unreliable since Rinnegan Sasuke's Susanoo is way smaller than EMS Madara's PS, but Rinnegan Sasuke's PS is far stronger than Madara's.

With Senjutsu it should be comfortably above Madara's. Without it shouldn't be too far off. None of their Susanoo variants have shown that massive a power difference. Don't know why there should be one with Perfect Susanoo.

I'll have to agree with you, Sasuke's Rinnegan PS did show that the size of Susano'o is irrelevant when it comes down to it.

Bold: The way both Susano'o were represented, not really portrayal. Just how they were introduced and the difference in size. Which you pointed out is irrelevant anyway, so forget that statement.

 

[lanakui8]

How exactly is Sasuke's PS with Kurama's 50% avatar superior to 100% Kurama / Superior PS? You cannot possibly provide any feats that suggest what you're saying.

It's superior because BM Naruto is superior to 100% Kurama, BSM Naruto is superior to BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke's PS enhanced by Naruto's senjutsu is superior to EMS Sasuke's PS.

Unless you want to argue that BM Naruto = 50% Kurama, the same kurama that was getting beaten by SM Naruto, 100% Kurama is not superior to BM Naruto just because it has more chakra than him.

The only thing Naruto and Sasuke's fusion has is higher mobility, which is irrelevant if you consider the massive difference in DC.

The heck? They have both higher mobility, higher strength, firepower, and durability due to sennin mode enhancement, the fact that Naruto's avatar has better durability feats that Kurama and doesn't have the weakness of being a flesh and blood creature, and the fact that Naruto can use clones who can also use jutsu along with his avatar.

Madara's PS is leagues above Sasuke's PS, not to mention that Hashirama used Shinsuusenju as soon as he entered Sage Mode. He didn't attempt to use Myoujinmon.

not when sasuke's PS is enhanced by naruto's bijuusenjutsu chakra. and I know hashirama didn't use myoujinmon.....

How does BM Naruto solo Obito with 6 paths and Gunbai when combined efforts of Naruto, bee , kakshi and gai could barely make a scratch on him?

BM Naruto solos him for a bunch of reasons:
1) Naruto never wanted to kill Obito. This was made known on a bunch of occasions such as when he told shikaku that he'd talk to obito after the war, when he told madara that he doesn't need to hold back against against someone who's already dead, and when Obito said Kakashi could have killed him on multiple occasions. If Naruto had killing intent Obito would have been dead right

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3) KCM Naruto conserving chakra is the one that required kakashi and Gai's help to barely make a scratch on Obito's mask.

 

[Blunt]

It's superior because BM Naruto is superior to 100% Kurama, BSM Naruto is superior to BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke's PS enhanced by Naruto's senjutsu is superior to EMS Sasuke's PS.

Unless you want to argue that BM Naruto = 50% Kurama, the same kurama that was getting beaten by SM Naruto, 100% Kurama is not superior to BM Naruto just because it has more chakra than him.


The heck? They have both higher mobility, higher strength, higher durability and probably higher firepower.

I already conceded.

 

[Touken]

He doesn't move

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. Naruto's avatar has high mobility, enough mobility that let it fight Juubito in a mid air battle. He just isn't flash Shunshin speed in the Avatar.

And putting down the Avatar wouldn't leave them defenseless.

1. Its just momentary, it can be put back up when they need to defend.

2. Mokujin or Shinsuusenju are the only things they'll have to defend themselves from. Jukai Kotan was already handled by Base Naruto after getting some of Kurama's chakra. BSM Naruto simply uses a giant FRS and Sasuke enhances it with Enton to light up and burn the incoming forest into a crisp. Or Naruto can use a Rasengan barrage like he did in canon.

You've just shown me Naruto and Sasuke advancing towards Juubito and nothing more; that doesn't show Naruto's fast enough to evade Myoujinmon in the Avatar, not when it has feats of immobilizing someone as fast as Madara who's definitely faster than Naruto's Avatar [

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They'll always need to defend considering Hashirama will have multiple Mokuton constructs out. He takes down the Avatar, then Mokujin takes him down, or Mokuryuu comes at him and restrains him, stopping him from moving all while absorbing his chakra at the same time. While Naruto's in the process of deactivating his Kurama Avatar, Hashirama can also put up FTW which will be effective since the only thing that can be fired fast enough to take down FTW before it releases pollen is a Bijuu Bomb, and Naruto can only make large Bijuu Bombs while in the Avatar. FRS is capable of taking down FTW but it needs a bit of prep time to make it big enough to destroy the Mokuton [

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There is nothing that implies Madara's PS is leagues above Sasuke's PS, so I'm not sure what evidence is backing that statement of yours, and Hashirama not attempting to use it is evidence that it wouldn't have been useful.

Feats. There's nothing that implies Sasuke's PS is as powerful as Madara's. Naruto resembled Hashirama but he still wasn't as strong as him as feats have shown, so I've got no reason to believe Sasuke, a person who resembled Madara, is at his tier when Naruto wasn't at Hashirama's tier. Hashirama had no reason to use Myoujinmon when Shinsuusenju was sufficient enough.